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Re: PL: Everton 0 vs. Liverpool 0
« Reply #560 on: April 7, 2018, 08:15:39 pm »
Coleman's reaction to Ings was the most transparent attempt to get the crowd fired up over fuck all that I've ever seen

Yeah, and I would have thought the best way to avoid being called a “diving bastard” would be to not dive. Not get hysterical, start flapping your gums and waving your handbag about when someone calls you out for flopping over under minimal contact.

He said it just as Calvert-Lewin was about to come on as well. Planting the idea firmly in the refs mind. Well in Danny.

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Re: PL: Everton 0 vs. Liverpool 0
« Reply #561 on: April 7, 2018, 08:19:13 pm »
The bit where Coleman is having a go at Ings, and Ings just keeps saying "D'ya want some?"

Then Wayne losing it after being subbed.

However, not seeing it with Solanke. He's almost 100% reaction. He'll need to start reading the game quicker if he's to ever become a starter.
Catch 22, that. Hard to start reading the game if you're not getting the minutes - at least he's getting in position to score, and he can finish.
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Re: PL: Everton 0 vs. Liverpool 0
« Reply #562 on: April 7, 2018, 08:33:59 pm »
Coleman's reaction to Ings was the most transparent attempt to get the crowd fired up over fuck all that I've ever seen

I'd have Coleman here. He's mustard.
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Re: PL: Everton 0 vs. Liverpool 0
« Reply #563 on: April 7, 2018, 08:34:06 pm »
The bit where Coleman is having a go at Ings, and Ings just keeps saying "D'ya want some?"

Then Wayne losing it after being subbed.

However, not seeing it with Solanke. He's almost 100% reaction. He'll need to start reading the game quicker if he's to ever become a starter.

I think Solanke has great potential but had the exact same thought - surely that will come with training though (refer Moreno the former headless chicken impersonator)

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Re: PL: Everton 0 vs. Liverpool 0
« Reply #564 on: April 7, 2018, 08:43:53 pm »
Catch 22, that. Hard to start reading the game if you're not getting the minutes - at least he's getting in position to score, and he can finish.

I have to disagree, HB mate :)

He should know how to read the flow of play by the time he's 18. Given where he's come from (Chelsea), I'm convinced he was modeled and trained after the Drogba/Costa type, and so basically didn't have to think until the ball was in a crossing position, or else someone had a shot and he was near the rebound.

You're not wrong in that more minutes = more opportunities to learn, but it's a damning thing for English development that it doesn't train many players to be able to read the game properly and plan ahead in 2-3 moves. That's probably why English midfielders have a huge problem turning on the ball under pressure.

The fact that he can't read the game at 20 years old suggests to me that he'll be an ultimately fruitless purchase, in terms of being the starting striker here - unless something clicks with him very, very soon.
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Re: PL: Everton 0 vs. Liverpool 0
« Reply #565 on: April 7, 2018, 09:09:15 pm »
I think Solanke has great potential but had the exact same thought - surely that will come with training though (refer Moreno the former headless chicken impersonator)
Don't think Solanke or Ings did much to get Klopp to think about giving them more game time.
 We clearly need more from our support strikers, you'd have to say Ings, Origi and Solanke all look short of what we need. Hopefully they have more development in them.

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Re: PL: Everton 0 vs. Liverpool 0
« Reply #566 on: April 7, 2018, 09:10:44 pm »
Don't think Solanke or Ings did much to get Klopp to think about giving them more game time.
 We clearly need more from our support strikers, you'd have to say Ings, Origi and Solanke all look short of what we need. Hopefully they have more development in them.
Maybe so. But you can’t start the odd game in 15 and expect to see results and development

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Re: PL: Everton 0 vs. Liverpool 0
« Reply #567 on: April 7, 2018, 09:13:56 pm »
I have to disagree, HB mate :)

He should know how to read the flow of play by the time he's 18. Given where he's come from (Chelsea), I'm convinced he was modeled and trained after the Drogba/Costa type, and so basically didn't have to think until the ball was in a crossing position, or else someone had a shot and he was near the rebound.

You're not wrong in that more minutes = more opportunities to learn, but it's a damning thing for English development that it doesn't train many players to be able to read the game properly and plan ahead in 2-3 moves. That's probably why English midfielders have a huge problem turning on the ball under pressure.

The fact that he can't read the game at 20 years old suggests to me that he'll be an ultimately fruitless purchase, in terms of being the starting striker here - unless something clicks with him very, very soon.

Playing devils advocate he did finish Top scorer in the World Cup U-20

Now I didnt watch any of that, Im guessing as a football geek** you would have. What did you think of him then?

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Re: PL: Everton 0 vs. Liverpool 0
« Reply #568 on: April 7, 2018, 09:32:08 pm »
.....which is EXACTLY what the Russian bots, sorry, RAWK Staff, want you to do :thumbup

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I don't understand why it would go anywhere else. It was a save in the derby - this is the derby thread. Why post it in a Karius thread that half the people reading about the match won't see?

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Re: PL: Everton 0 vs. Liverpool 0
« Reply #569 on: April 7, 2018, 09:33:29 pm »
Maybe so. But you can’t start the odd game in 15 and expect to see results and development
Pretty much the same for any player that wants to break into a first team. Rashford at United forced his way into the team with no more game time. 

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Re: PL: Everton 0 vs. Liverpool 0
« Reply #570 on: April 7, 2018, 09:47:05 pm »
I think Solanke has great potential but had the exact same thought - surely that will come with training though (refer Moreno the former headless chicken impersonator)

Honestly mate i'd love that to be true but he has shown the square root of  fuck all to show me he's the standard required. His goals return is absolutely brutal and in general he seems to have no in game awareness.
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Re: PL: Everton 0 vs. Liverpool 0
« Reply #571 on: April 7, 2018, 10:04:51 pm »
Pretty much the same for any player that wants to break into a first team. Rashford at United forced his way into the team with no more game time. 
I don’t think it’s always helpful to use a selective example to prove a point. Myriad reasons that lead to a breakthrough.  Rashford was picked during an injury crisis and wasn’t the understudy to Europe’s best striking trio.

I’m not suggesting that Solankie is definitely going to make it but I’ve also seen this movie before - a fanbase shoots its load too early, having no patience or genuine knowledge of the player before writing him off.

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Re: PL: Everton 0 vs. Liverpool 0
« Reply #572 on: April 7, 2018, 10:08:33 pm »
Honestly mate i'd love that to be true but he has shown the square root of  fuck all to show me he's the standard required. His goals return is absolutely brutal and in general he seems to have no in game awareness.
Do you think Klopp draws conclusions on players based on such limited evidence? I would suggest he uses a much bigger sample and works with a player every day on the training ground. As fans, we’ve seen DS for a tiny fraction of what Klopp has.

My suggestion is to step back, give him space to sink or swim rather than jumping in early. Fans are notoriously bad at this stuff - heck, there was a groundswell of opinion in September that we needed a 20 goal striker. With hindsight that opinion is now absurd.
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Re: PL: Everton 0 vs. Liverpool 0
« Reply #573 on: April 7, 2018, 10:10:06 pm »
Minds clearly (and understandably) on more important things, half our first team rested, used as a run out for our fringe players/ players coming back from injury, their best chance to actually win a derby in forever... and they still can't beat us ;D Fucking hell, what a joke of a club.

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Re: PL: Everton 0 vs. Liverpool 0
« Reply #574 on: April 7, 2018, 10:11:58 pm »
Playing devils advocate he did finish Top scorer in the World Cup U-20

Now I didnt watch any of that, Im guessing as a football geek** you would have. What did you think of him then?

**Meant as a compliment

I don't pay attention to that level as a predictor of future performance, though - it's NOTORIOUSLY unreliable. However, the top scorer was Ricardo Orsolini. Solanke scored 4 goals, along with some others whose names wouldn't be setting the world alight yet. He played very well in that tournament that I remember (outwith his winning of the Golden Ball), but he also played in a more traditional system that didn't rely on Gegenpressing and one-touch play.

I'm not saying he's a bad player. I'm saying he's a reactive one, which means that he's not looking around the field before the ball comes to him - he gets the ball, THEN decides what he's going to do. This means if there is nothing immediately "On" in his line of sight, he'll try to dribble his way out, or he'll make a bad pass, or he'll lose the ball. For a pressing side with quick transitional one-touch attacking, he needs to be WAY more thoughtful, way more observant. It's one thing to be doing it against teams of his similarly inexperienced peers. To do it at the top level with veterans of top talent? He needs to be WAY better. And quickly.
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Re: PL: Everton 0 vs. Liverpool 0
« Reply #575 on: April 7, 2018, 10:12:47 pm »
Do you think Klopp draws conclusions on players based on such limited evidence? I would suggest he uses a much bigger sample and works with a player every day on the training ground. As fans, we’ve seen DS for a tiny fraction of what Klopp has.

My suggestion is to step back, give him space to sink or swim rather than jumping in early. Fans are notoriously bad at this stuff - heck, there was a groundswell of opinion in September that we needed a 20 goal striker. With hindsight that opinion is now absurd.

We do have a 20-goal striker - his name is Salah ;D
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Re: PL: Everton 0 vs. Liverpool 0
« Reply #576 on: April 7, 2018, 10:17:12 pm »
Clearly our minds were on other things, the clean sheet was a positive. As was Gini's performance, roll on Tuesday.

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Re: PL: Everton 0 vs. Liverpool 0
« Reply #577 on: April 7, 2018, 10:24:16 pm »
I don’t think it’s always helpful to use a selective example to prove a point. Myriad reasons that lead to a breakthrough.  Rashford was picked during an injury crisis and wasn’t the understudy to Europe’s best striking trio.

I’m not suggesting that Solankie is definitely going to make it but I’ve also seen this movie before - a fanbase shoots its load too early, having no patience or genuine knowledge of the player before writing him off.

We don't expect him to come in to deliver the goods like Salah but there were a couple of occasions where he could have gambled and make his run a lot quicker. It wasn't until the ball was played that he started running, a bit like Origi for us last year.

As a 21 yo, I kind of expected him to show some energy but yet he looked more laboured than Sane, Milner and Henderson who played on Wednesday. Clyne just came back from injury and just compare that to his commitment and intensity.

If making runs isn't his natural game then he is going to struggle for game time under Klopp.

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Re: PL: Everton 0 vs. Liverpool 0
« Reply #578 on: April 7, 2018, 10:32:36 pm »
Didn't expect much with one eye on the next match and Fat Sam managing the shite in a derby game.
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Re: PL: Everton 0 vs. Liverpool 0
« Reply #579 on: April 7, 2018, 10:35:13 pm »
I don’t think it’s always helpful to use a selective example to prove a point. Myriad reasons that lead to a breakthrough.  Rashford was picked during an injury crisis and wasn’t the understudy to Europe’s best striking trio.

I’m not suggesting that Solankie is definitely going to make it but I’ve also seen this movie before - a fanbase shoots its load too early, having no patience or genuine knowledge of the player before writing him off.
I haven't written anybody off, but they are clearly not ready to come on and change the game. We need players on the bench who can change a game, neither have shown they can do this at the moment. Probably have the best first eleven attacking players in the Prem,   and backup that don't have a goal between them.

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Re: PL: Everton 0 vs. Liverpool 0
« Reply #580 on: April 7, 2018, 11:23:50 pm »
Just watched the game while washing the dishes (and cooking) so it was perfect. I only look for what impressed me today. Karius was excellent and calm. Natty Clyne and Klaven, zero minutes as fullbacks this season until today, Clyne's first run out, great. Gini coped really well, Milner was so comfortable. All the others did their best. We played relaxed football with no stress for 75 minutes. No complaints and most important ... No injuries today.
Then City blew it against the other shower. Perfect evening. All good with the reds. God knows what it's like being an Everton supporter. That was truely pathetic.

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Re: PL: Everton 0 vs. Liverpool 0
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Re: PL: Everton 0 vs. Liverpool 0
« Reply #582 on: April 7, 2018, 11:31:43 pm »
Just went on to GOT for the laughs and saw this beaut.

"They were 8th two years ago they've had a wonder one off season from salah who's won them those 26 points himself. The one who did that last year has already left.
I don't bother with comparing to them, just know they're nothing special."

- referring to those 26 points we're ahead.

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Even IF we were a one-man team, that one man plays for, guess who - Liverpool! ;D

So obviously it was Liverpool "who's won them those 26 points". * :duh :rollseyes*

They always conclude(in their confused minds) that the star player is somehow a loan or something or somehow not part of the team.
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In such a sumptuous festival of shite, I wouldn't be so quick to pick a winner..

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Re: PL: Everton 0 vs. Liverpool 0
« Reply #583 on: April 7, 2018, 11:57:29 pm »
People writing off Solanke are slightly jumping the gun. It was only recently that a lot of people thought Karius would never excel as a number 1.

Whilst the jury may still be out on them both, let's give them sometime to prove/develop before writing them off.

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Re: PL: Everton 0 vs. Liverpool 0
« Reply #584 on: April 7, 2018, 11:58:12 pm »
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Re: PL: Everton 0 vs. Liverpool 0
« Reply #585 on: April 7, 2018, 11:59:14 pm »
Was that really at the end
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Re: PL: Everton 0 vs. Liverpool 0
« Reply #586 on: April 8, 2018, 12:02:20 am »
I hope some of the reptiles on here, who put GOT to shame, now understand, we are not guaranteed Europe and will divvi up for the rest of the season and not indulge oin giddiness about chamions league. Te same as you fucking pontificate about your fucking experience in Europe, as if, ythen understand the fuckingtop4 oarty is notbyetover. Fucking pissed again...........................
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Re: PL: Everton 0 vs. Liverpool 0
« Reply #587 on: April 8, 2018, 12:02:25 am »
Probably half time knowing them lot
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Re: PL: Everton 0 vs. Liverpool 0
« Reply #588 on: April 8, 2018, 12:03:17 am »
Do you think Klopp draws conclusions on players based on such limited evidence? I would suggest he uses a much bigger sample and works with a player every day on the training ground. As fans, we’ve seen DS for a tiny fraction of what Klopp has.

My suggestion is to step back, give him space to sink or swim rather than jumping in early. Fans are notoriously bad at this stuff - heck, there was a groundswell of opinion in September that we needed a 20 goal striker. With hindsight that opinion is now absurd.

I look at him with my own eyes and see a player who is no better than N'gog and Origi. They had actually done more, but ultimately were not good enough.

Although I'm OK with  the result today, but we really could have done with the win. The fact that we didn't was because we looked toothless up front. If we want to be successful we need Solanke to be scoring today. It's harsh, but he simply will not get much time to impress. Today was a huge opportunity and he's not made the most of it.
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Re: PL: Everton 0 vs. Liverpool 0
« Reply #589 on: April 8, 2018, 12:03:55 am »
I hope some of the reptiles on here, who put GOT to shame, now understand, we are not guaranteed Europe and will divvi up for the rest of the season and not indulge oin giddiness about chamions league. Te same as you fucking pontificate about your fucking experience in Europe, as if, ythen understand the fuckingtop4 oarty is notbyetover. Fucking pissed again...........................
Ypuve misspelt on porpoise have nt ypu. Pretending 2 b dwunk.
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Re: PL: Everton 0 vs. Liverpool 0
« Reply #590 on: April 8, 2018, 12:05:24 am »
Alright Hodgson!  :wanker

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Re: PL: Everton 0 vs. Liverpool 0
« Reply #591 on: April 8, 2018, 12:06:42 am »
Ypuve misspelt on porpoise have nt ypu. Pretending 2 b dwunk.
He started off so well too!

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« Reply #592 on: April 8, 2018, 12:11:44 am »
He started off so well too!
And finished well. Lol. Just kidding Bobby.
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« Reply #593 on: April 8, 2018, 12:12:44 am »
And finished well. Lol. Just kidding Bobby.
Im pissed too. Miss the ol drunk tank on here.
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« Reply #594 on: April 8, 2018, 12:15:08 am »
I prefer worsetededer. Sounds better and all ground are covered!
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Re: PL: Everton 0 vs. Liverpool 0
« Reply #595 on: April 8, 2018, 12:20:09 am »
Today just highlighted for me our lack of creativity in the middle of the park which doesn't really get noticed when the 3 amigos are played together....also just noticed it today with VVD trying his luck with a FK we don't really have a dead ball specialist at the club.
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Re: PL: Everton 0 vs. Liverpool 0
« Reply #596 on: April 8, 2018, 12:21:29 am »
Today just highlighted for me our lack of creativity in the middle of the park which doesn't really get noticed when the 3 amigos are played together....also just noticed it today with VVD trying his luck with a FK we don't really have a dead ball specialist at the club.
To be fair it surprised me that it's taken this long for big Virg to take a free kick, he scored quite a few for Celtic and they weren't exactly pea rollers either, I think it just highlights the fact that he can take them rather than we have no one else who can take them!

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Re: PL: Everton 0 vs. Liverpool 0
« Reply #597 on: April 8, 2018, 12:26:28 am »
I hope some of the reptiles on here, who put GOT to shame, now understand, we are not guaranteed Europe and will divvi up for the rest of the season and not indulge oin giddiness about chamions league. Te same as you fucking pontificate about your fucking experience in Europe, as if, ythen understand the fuckingtop4 oarty is notbyetover. Fucking pissed again...........................

There is really no need for this Viva.  If you want to have a go and get through it --- PM me.    If not, take a look at this: https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/soccer-predictions/premier-league/  - 99% likely to get in the ECL. 

Its not 100%, and nothing rarely is, but we are very close to finishing the job --- with Tuesday in mind. 

How about we have a discussion that does not fracture, but helps people understand the bulk of what you are trying to express beyond anger?   

I will listen to what you have to say and honor it.

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Re: PL: Everton 0 vs. Liverpool 0
« Reply #598 on: April 8, 2018, 12:29:17 am »
I look at him with my own eyes and see a player who is no better than N'gog and Origi.

Might be time to visit the eye doctor

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Re: PL: Everton 0 vs. Liverpool 0
« Reply #599 on: April 8, 2018, 12:34:30 am »
Was that really at the end

It was after Everton won a corner...
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