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Spyin' Kop: Goodison Derby
« on: September 7, 2006, 08:43:45 pm »
Whilst the usual pre-derby day momentum has been somewhat interrupted by the international games, both teams will merely be relieved to see all their potential first choice players return uninjured. So we resume with a visit across the park for the 204th Merseyside Derby.

Anyone hoping to second guess the team Rafael Benitez will put out is in for a surprise. That’s why I gave up on the hugely popular prediction league so early on! Sissoko could be the pivotal selection whilst Gerrard’s inclusion could depend on the availability of Carragher and Riise. Fowler appears to be a favourite to start and with Crouch scoring yet again, you’d expect him to be first choice up front. But, as I’ve said, predicting Rafa’s team sheet is futile – especially with PSV in mind.

David Moyes, with a lesser squad at his disposal might be easier to predict and Rafa will be fully aware of this.

Everton v Liverpool
Saturday 9th September 2006
Goodison Park
KO: 12.45pm
Referee: Graham Poll



I popped over to the Toffeeweb People's Forum to gauge their thoughts on the first of the two most important fixtures of every league season.

My thanks to anthonyjevans and Garrincha for their answers.


Everton, third in the table at the moment- just above Chelsea. It’s ridiculously early to be looking at league tables - but where do you expect to finish this season?

anthonyjevans: Challenging for a UEFA spot

Garrincha: Errrr…. You never can tell with Moyes. We would be happy top 6, ok top 8, below top 10 and the brands will be lighted. I suspect 6-8.
 
So, 15th, 7th, 17th, 4th and 11th – your final league standings under Moyes since he arrived. You’ve won 64 league games under him and been beaten in 63. An interesting statistic going into the Derby – perhaps the chance for an equaliser! So, What are your general feelings about your manager as things stand?

anthonyjevans: I think he’s turned us into a club capable of consistently qualifying for Europe, which is a fine achievement. I definitely think he’s taken the club forward, and although he’s made some big mistakes he seems to learn from them. He was a great appointment, and I am confident that the general trend is upward and will keep rising.

Garrincha: I admire his ability to meld a team out of the dregs he has had to buy.

A lot has been said about the increasing bitterness between red and blue in recent years. Have you experienced anything at close hand? Is it over hyped or is it becoming worse?

anthonyjevans: I think there’s a distinction between the disciplinary record on the pitch, and what happens off it. I think the derby is becoming increasingly important for both clubs, but don’t think that rivalry will ever cause a division between Everton and Liverpool fans generally.

Garrincha: It is getting noticeably worse. That gobshite in the upper Anny didn’t help matters catching a little girl in the face with a coin but we have our own problems. Generally most supporters of both sides get on but it doesn’t take much these days for it to kick off.

The whole ground share debate is most definitely closed our end. What are your feelings on the continuing speculation about goodison’s future?

anthonyjevans: It’d be nice if we had confidence in the board to do the right thing. Ideally we could leave them to get on with it, choose the best site and build a stadium befitting our club. But inevitably it’ll be controversial because no one wants another Riverside. Personally I think the out of town model is in decline, but it’s important we realise that the decision will have a massive long term impact. The Park End shows how short-sightedness will haunt you, we have to wait until we’ve got the resources to do something special

Garrincha: I still believe it is gonna happen. The numbers for it are overwhelming. The political will is also there. Personally, I hate the idea and will never go to a shared stadium. The same goes for an out of town Tescobowl. The day we move outside the city boundaries there will never be another scouser born a blue. You should move out. We were here first and frankly you have lowered the tone of the neighbourhood. 

What sort of line-up will Moyes put out against LFC?

anthonyjevans: I think he’ll stick to the Spurs line up (Davies in for Kilbane) and keep Beattie on the bench. I think he’ll be conservative given our recent record against you. Having said that, I wouldn’t be surprised if he does have two up front – your central defenders look vulnerable. I’ll be interested to see what formation we go with.

Garrincha: Hopefully one keeper who isn’t Dickie Wright. 8 men to give the ball to Arteta and Johnson. Then Arteta and Johnson.

Where do you expect Liverpool to finish in the Premier League?

anthonyjevans: Second or third, but your recent spending has pushed you from being a club happy with Champions League to being one that needs to challenge for the title. I can’t see it though.

Garrincha: They never finish where I expect. Mostly because the PL doesn’t have a 21st place. The LFC squad is better in depth now you have Andy Pandy instead of Clouseau. He can spot a player which was something his predecessor could never do. Not sure the first team is better and your keeper is suspect.

Which Liverpool player will you fear the most – apart from Steven Gerrard?

anthonyjevans: To be honest though I don’t fear much from Birmingham (Pennant), Aston Villa (Crouch), Newcastle (Bellamy), Man City (Fowler), or Middlesbrough (Zendon) misfits. 

Garrincha: Riise. A great player. Seems to have been underrated ever since you got him.

You appear to have signed a decent striker in Andy Johnson. What do you think is Everton’s best attacking formation for the season?

anthonyjevans: I dunno, we’ve got the strikers for 4-4-2, but the midfielders for 4-5-1.

Garrincha: Tricky to say. Anichebe has a first touch akin to Crouch, Beattie is horribly permanently unfit, McFadden is really unreliable. Probably 4-4-1-1 with Cahill lurking.

I might stick a fiver on 3-1 Liverpool with Crouch first goal scorer. What’s your bet?

anthonyjevans: I never bet on the derby… !

Garrincha: 2 sendings off.

Funny you should say that, Graham Poll could be handing out a yellow card or three on Saturday. What are your thoughts on his selection?

Garrincha: The man is a cretin. The goal which never was is just one of many examples. He will doubtless make many more imbecilic decisions which will only increase the tensions. I wouldn't let him adjudicate on Bullseye.

anthonyjevans: NIGHTMARE!!

So there you have it. My prediction? Liverpool 3 – 1 Everton. But I won’t be putting money on it – I never do on football, I was just trying to lure the lads into a prediction!

© Tim Kelly 2006
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Re: Spyin' Kop - Goodison Derby
« Reply #1 on: September 7, 2006, 08:51:59 pm »
"Andy Pandy instead of Clouseau"

What?

[Some] decent answers there - nice one
« Last Edit: September 7, 2006, 09:00:38 pm by Mark_P »
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Re: Spyin' Kop: Goodison Derby
« Reply #2 on: September 7, 2006, 09:05:08 pm »
come on, "suspect keeper" who is he trying to kid?

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Re: Spyin' Kop: Goodison Derby
« Reply #3 on: September 7, 2006, 09:09:38 pm »
bitter bastards
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« Reply #4 on: September 7, 2006, 09:11:44 pm »
Anichebe must have a very good first touch.

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« Reply #5 on: September 7, 2006, 09:15:09 pm »
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Anichebe has a first touch akin to Crouch

That good and he won't get a start?
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Re: Spyin' Kop: Goodison Derby
« Reply #6 on: September 7, 2006, 09:17:15 pm »
Who are they trying to kid? top 6-8 finish omg losers

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Re: Spyin' Kop: Goodison Derby
« Reply #7 on: September 7, 2006, 09:17:31 pm »
The answers were actually alot better then  expected.

Still bitter mind.
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Re: Spyin' Kop: Goodison Derby
« Reply #8 on: September 7, 2006, 09:19:55 pm »
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your central defenders look vulnerable.

Yup, apparently Dagger is going to get the run around from AJ and Beattie will pummel Hyypia. On a side note, Sami looked very dangerous from set pieces in Finland's last game. Maybe a pick to open the scoring?
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Re: Spyin' Kop: Goodison Derby
« Reply #9 on: September 7, 2006, 09:20:05 pm »
Who is Andy Pandy tho?  Clouseau?!
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Re: Spyin' Kop: Goodison Derby
« Reply #10 on: September 7, 2006, 09:22:39 pm »


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Re: Spyin' Kop: Goodison Derby
« Reply #11 on: September 7, 2006, 09:26:27 pm »
Good read that Tim, not as much Bitterness as I expected, although there are some rediculous answers in there

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Re: Spyin' Kop: Goodison Derby
« Reply #12 on: September 7, 2006, 09:29:01 pm »
The answers were actually alot better then  expected.

Still bitter mind.
What I was going to say.

Good read that, Timbo. Cheers fella...

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« Reply #13 on: September 7, 2006, 09:32:11 pm »
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Re: Spyin' Kop: Goodison Derby
« Reply #14 on: September 7, 2006, 09:33:31 pm »
The shakey old reina... the golden glove winning tosser

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Re: Spyin' Kop: Goodison Derby
« Reply #15 on: September 7, 2006, 09:37:18 pm »
A couple of decent replies there, and I actually understand that opponent fans can get an impression that Reina is a bit suspect, because even if he is a great goalie and a perfect sweeper keeper, he sometimes reminds me of James coming off the line.
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« Reply #16 on: September 7, 2006, 09:38:38 pm »
A couple of decent replies there, and I actually understand that opponent fans can get an impression that Reina is a bit suspect, because even if he is a great goalie and a perfect sweeper keeper, he sometimes reminds me of James coming off the line.


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Re: Spyin' Kop: Goodison Derby
« Reply #17 on: September 7, 2006, 09:38:43 pm »
Cheers for putting that together mate. Not much to talk about in the way of bitterness actually? Except that one about the 'misfits'... I have to admit that one made me laugh actually!

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Re: Spyin' Kop: Goodison Derby
« Reply #18 on: September 7, 2006, 09:39:15 pm »
good read.average answers ;D

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« Reply #19 on: September 7, 2006, 09:48:41 pm »
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Re: Spyin' Kop: Goodison Derby
« Reply #20 on: September 7, 2006, 09:51:11 pm »
No score prediction. They must be bricking it like I am.

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« Reply #21 on: September 7, 2006, 09:53:15 pm »
No score prediction. They must be bricking it like I am.

Been thinking about this all game all day, tomorrow is the day where i shit myself.

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Re: Spyin' Kop: Goodison Derby
« Reply #22 on: September 7, 2006, 09:53:21 pm »
Kaizer, having a pop at our team whilst hiding it in a complement - shurely not

I really think Reina is a great keeper, but I know a couple of people who think he is suspect, especially in his handling of crosses.

I remember I thought myself in his first couple of matches for us, "what the fuck is this guy doing", so if opponent fans who just see glimpses of him get the impression I don't blame them thats my point.
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Re: Spyin' Kop: Goodison Derby
« Reply #23 on: September 7, 2006, 09:54:10 pm »
Been thinking about this all game all day, tomorrow is the day where i shit myself.

Hide-under-the-covers time has come early in my household thanks to the fucking Internationals.

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Re: Spyin' Kop: Goodison Derby
« Reply #24 on: September 7, 2006, 10:15:59 pm »
I dunno the AnthonyJevans guy, but I know Garrincha of old from Toffeeweb, top bloke.

Nice one Tim, made for a good read.  Wouldn't fancy your chances getting a decent interview from Blue Kipper, most poisonous c*nts imaginable on that site, though I expect you know that ;)

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Horrible bloody timing for our first Derby meeting of the season,  as normal I will have no fingernails or voice left, after saturday afternoon's entertainment.

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Re: Spyin' Kop: Goodison Derby
« Reply #25 on: September 7, 2006, 10:30:05 pm »
Nice one Timbo, good read.

The shakey old reina... the golden glove winning tosser

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Re: Spyin' Kop: Goodison Derby
« Reply #26 on: September 7, 2006, 10:39:41 pm »
I really think Reina is a great keeper, but I know a couple of people who think he is suspect, especially in his handling of crosses.

I can't remember the last time he fucked up a cross (Zamora's was a "shot" remember). His punches are superb and he's catching the ball more often now too. He also looks very confident and commanding whilst coming for crosses, and seems to be very vocal, but there we are.
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Re: Spyin' Kop: Goodison Derby
« Reply #27 on: September 7, 2006, 10:44:25 pm »
Was Blue Kipper the one used for last season's Spion Kop?  The one that just had a bunch of crap responses?  Now that one was bitter.

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Re: Spyin' Kop: Goodison Derby
« Reply #28 on: September 7, 2006, 11:32:16 pm »
Thats the one, mate.

Toffeeweb is normally a decent site, some good lads on there.


This however is the normal standard on Blue Kipper, and to be fair, decent Evertonians are appalled by the place.
http://www.redandwhitekop.com/forum/index.php?topic=100382.0

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Re: Spyin' Kop: Goodison Derby
« Reply #29 on: September 7, 2006, 11:39:31 pm »
Nice one Tim, made for a good read.  Wouldn't fancy your chances getting a decent interview from Blue Kipper, most poisonous c*nts imaginable on that site, though I expect you know that ;)

That might be the understatement of the year. Those guys are insane.
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Re: Spyin' Kop: Goodison Derby
« Reply #30 on: September 7, 2006, 11:40:50 pm »
Fact #128209732723 - I got banned from Blue Kipper for saying Ronald McDonald could do a better job managing Everton than Moyes.

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Re: Spyin' Kop: Goodison Derby
« Reply #31 on: September 7, 2006, 11:55:59 pm »
I especially liked the one in last year's that answered all in Norweigan. What bitter, twisted c*nts.
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Re: Spyin' Kop: Goodison Derby
« Reply #32 on: September 7, 2006, 11:57:03 pm »
Good stuff.. always worth a read these Spyin Kops.. its a shame we don't get asked them much on here from other fans. Still.. enjoyed this particularly:

anthonyjevans: To be honest though I don’t fear much from Birmingham (Pennant), Aston Villa (Crouch), Newcastle (Bellamy), Man City (Fowler), or Middlesbrough (Zendon) misfits.

sorry Ant mate, but prepare to eat your words.

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Re: Spyin' Kop: Goodison Derby
« Reply #33 on: September 7, 2006, 11:59:24 pm »
(am still working out how I'll catch the game.. working all weekend.. 7:30am - 10pm. Arse.)

I have intropoloristicaliousgrachitis. Highly contageous. Should be OK for Monday? Sound.

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Re: Spyin' Kop: Goodison Derby
« Reply #34 on: September 8, 2006, 12:03:09 am »
Any chance of a Still Spyin Kop next week with the same two bitters? Now that would be a quality read. ;)

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« Reply #35 on: September 8, 2006, 12:03:58 am »
HAHAHA the Spyin Kop follow-up series! that one might be a bit less polite and much more bitter
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« Reply #36 on: September 8, 2006, 12:13:14 am »
I have intropoloristicaliousgrachitis. Highly contageous. Should be OK for Monday? Sound.

I even googled that ;D Am on a weekend that's been long in the planning I'm afraid. Still.. for two hours, I may be in 'not sure, his mobile is off' mode down the pub.

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Re: Spyin' Kop: Goodison Derby
« Reply #37 on: September 8, 2006, 12:15:59 am »
Ah well, if we're one-up or at one a piece with ten minutes to go, down to ten men and against the ropes, I'll be wishing I'm elsewhere. I think I'll go into hibernation until Saturday, 3:00pm.

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Re: Spyin' Kop: Goodison Derby
« Reply #38 on: September 8, 2006, 12:19:28 am »
Ah well, if we're one-up or at one a piece with ten minutes to go, down to ten men and against the ropes, I'll be wishing I'm elsewhere. I think I'll go into hibernation until Saturday, 3:00pm.

Hope he forgets to set his alarm and we don't see him before xmas



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Re: Spyin' Kop: Goodison Derby
« Reply #39 on: September 8, 2006, 12:20:45 am »
Ah well, if we're one-up or at one a piece with ten minutes to go, down to ten men and against the ropes, I'll be wishing I'm elsewhere. I think I'll go into hibernation until Saturday, 3:00pm.
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