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Al 666:

--- Quote from: Dave McCoy on March 21, 2023, 02:32:38 pm ---We have the same amount of attackers as any other season so this really doesn’t jive. Minamino, Shaqiri, Origi, Ings, Brewster, etc etc. Not a lot of sameness there. Just that we’re spending a lot more on at least one or two that will mainly be backups. Klopp has never evenly distributed attacking minutes.

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That simply isn't true.

In 17/18 until Coutinho joined Barca we regularly rotated the front three. We did the same with Jota in 20/21 and 21/22 and last season Diaz came on as a sub eight times and was an unused sub on three occasions.

If the quality is there then Klopp has no problem distributing attacking minutes.

The weakness at the moment is the two wide attacking roles which is why it wouldn't surprise me if we move Jota on and bring in a wide player who can cover both flanks. We could also promote Doak or switch to the kind of system Klopp played at Dortmund which would have Nunez providing the extreme pace through the middle like Auba did at Dortmund with more creativity in one of the wide positions.

Knight:

--- Quote from: Al 666 on March 21, 2023, 02:51:50 pm --- the kind of system Klopp played at Dortmund which would have Nunez providing the extreme pace through the middle like Auba did at Dortmund with more creativity in one of the wide positions.

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Salah at 10, Elliot wide right, Nunez at 9 and Diaz from the left. 2 athletic 6s in the middle.

Al 666:

--- Quote from: Knight on March 21, 2023, 07:53:28 pm ---Salah at 10, Elliot wide right, Nunez at 9 and Diaz from the left. 2 athletic 6s in the middle.

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I think that is the way we should look at it from now on. Combinations of players that provide the elements that Klopp requires from his forward line. He wants extreme pace that can be utilised during transitions, pressing, an ability to close down passing lanes, a physical presence to hold the ball up, goalscoring and creativity.

Probably the outlier is Bobby. Unlike Lewandowski or Aubameyang he didn't provide extreme pace through the middle. However he was pretty exceptional at everything else.

For me Klopp is looking to create a balanced forward line that incorporates all the elements he requires.

MonsLibpool:
One fundamental issue that we have this season is that we are not press-resistant. Even in the 7-0, I noticed the same thing and it's hard to string wins together if a team lacks that.

My definition of press-resistant is having the capability to play through a press OR having reliable outlets to bypass it. Looking at individual players, Thiago is the only truly press-resistant player that we have. He can receive it in any position and turn nothing into something. IMO, his best performance this season was against Chelsea at home because he was playing with two teenagers and he added some composure to our performance by serving as a "pressure valve". He received all sorts of passes, some at awkward angles or heights and he somehow still made something of it.

Take him out of the team and we have no reliable player that can handle pressure with ease. If you don't have this sort of player then you need to bypass the press by hitting someone in the frontline that can hold it OR playing long passes for a speedy attacker to chase. In 2017/18, Mo was used in this way as Trent used to play a lot of pinpoint passes for him to chase and he was quicker than most so it was very effective. We can't do that anymore because he's lost a yard.

The only player in our frontline that can do that is Darwin but Robbo doesn't have the range to play those passes. If we move Darwin to the right then we'll have a reliable outball because Trent can always hit him. However, the right side isn't his best position.

In terms of playing it into someone for him to hold it up, we simply don't have a player with those qualities. This is an issue that needs to be addressed this summer.

MonsLibpool:

--- Quote from: MonsLibpool on March 26, 2023, 01:07:40 pm ---One fundamental issue that we have this season is that we are not press-resistant. Even in the 7-0, I noticed the same thing and it's hard to string wins together if a team lacks that.

My definition of press-resistant is having the capability to play through a press OR having reliable outlets to bypass it. Looking at individual players, Thiago is the only truly press-resistant player that we have. He can receive it in any position and turn nothing into something. IMO, his best performance this season was against Chelsea at home because he was playing with two teenagers and he added some composure to our performance by serving as a "pressure valve". He received all sorts of passes, some at awkward angles or heights and he somehow still made something of it.

Take him out of the team and we have no reliable player that can handle pressure with ease. If you don't have this sort of player then you need to bypass the press by hitting someone in the frontline that can hold it OR playing long passes for a speedy attacker to chase. In 2017/18, Mo was used in this way as Trent used to play a lot of pinpoint passes for him to chase and he was quicker than most so it was very effective. We can't do that anymore because he's lost a yard.

The only player in our frontline that can do that is Darwin but Robbo doesn't have the range to play those passes. If we move Darwin to the right then we'll have a reliable outball because Trent can always hit him. However, the right side isn't his best position.

In terms of playing it into someone for him to hold it up, we simply don't have a player with those qualities. This is an issue that needs to be addressed this summer.

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We lack a consistent solution to being pressed.

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