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killer-heels:
There are still rumours that we want Keita to sign a new contract. Wonder if that comes into the debate about loyalty and all that?
Chris~:
--- Quote from: JackWard33 on October 2, 2022, 11:18:47 pm ---Like a great philosopher probably once said ‘well I wouldn’t start from here’
Atrophy has happened over time sadly and sometimes things go wrong slowly then all at once
I agree with pretty much everything in that twitter thread, though none of it is super controversial / revelatory
Don’t think we’re as bad as we’re showing (I hope) but we’ve also got some decent sized problems in the squad that need a change in approach to address as it’s currently on a clear downward slide
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It's a lot of this is wrong but no actual solutions or real evidence that for example Klopp can't be trusted to have players be around him long term without breaking them.
The players who have been overplayed are the ones who we wanted to build around, are the ones who've been bad. It's easy to say replace them and buy new players the near impossible skill is timing it and getting it right and staying competitive. When should we have sold Van Dijk, Salah, Trent and Robertson? If players only have a limited shelf life under Klopp?
killer-heels:
--- Quote from: Chris~ on October 3, 2022, 07:49:49 am ---But its a lot of this is wrong but no actual solutions or real evidence.
The players who have been overplayed are the ones who we wanted to build around, are the ones who've been bad. It's easy to say replace them and buy new players the near impossible skill is timing it and getting it right and staying competitive. When should we have sold Van Dijk, Salah, Trent and Robertson? If players only have a limited shelf life under Klopp?
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I agree to an extent. But then we have other key players like Fabinho, Thiago and Matip.
Like it or not, we look old. I love Konate and Jota but we cant deny that Matip is still our go to centreback following Gomez’ horror show and Jota due to injury means Bobby has played a lot more. Both Firmino and Matip are still important first team players.
We have them fit now but we need to inject a whole lot of youth into this side. Konate has to be first choice when he is back and we need Jota in now. We cant be relying on a side that consists of Matip, Van Dijk, Thiago, Henderson, Salah, Bobby, with Milner also playing a lot. Its far too old.
JackWard33:
--- Quote from: Chris~ on October 3, 2022, 07:49:49 am ---It's a lot of this is wrong but no actual solutions or real evidence that for example Klopp can't be trusted to have players be around him long term without breaking them.
The players who have been overplayed are the ones who we wanted to build around, are the ones who've been bad. It's easy to say replace them and buy new players the near impossible skill is timing it and getting it right and staying competitive. When should we have sold Van Dijk, Salah, Trent and Robertson? If players only have a limited shelf life under Klopp?
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You can take the ‘Klopp breaks players’ thing out for sure - it’s just an ageing process not a Klopp specific thing from my point of view
Rebuilding / renewing teams is hard and knowing when to pull the plug on established stars is hard
Clearly there’s more than one thing going on at the moment (Trents dip clearly doesn’t fall into the ageing squad problem)
It takes investment though that’s not really debatable … teams have cycles, we spent to build this one, then we spent to keep it together now it needs spending to renew it
lfcred1976:
--- Quote from: killer-heels on October 3, 2022, 06:28:21 am ---There are still rumours that we want Keita to sign a new contract. Wonder if that comes into the debate about loyalty and all that?
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If Naby even gets offered a new contract, then some serious discussions need to be had. Has done absolutely bugger all to justify a new contract here. And no doubt a new contract would see a nice wage increase for him too.
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