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Gerry Attrick · « **on:** May 13, 2016, 09:59:53 am »

Watford manager Quique Sanchez Flores will leave the Premier League club at the end of the season.

The Spaniard, 51, was appointed in June 2014 following the club's promotion from the Championship.

The Hornets are 13th in the Premier League, but have won just two of their past 11 top-flight games.

Sanchez, who also guided Watford to the FA Cup semi-finals, will leave after the final game of the season - against Sunderland at Vicarage Road on Sunday.

"We would like to thank Quique. He and the team achieved the target set at the start of the season of staying in the Premier League for a second year," said a club statement.

"Quique leaves with all our best wishes for the future and the knowledge he is always welcome at Vicarage Road."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/36284162

Absolutely stupid decision from the club in my opinion.

DyingAtheist · « **Reply #1 on:** May 13, 2016, 10:00:36 am »

Didn't see any topic on Watford or Flores in the last few pages, but thought this was worth discussing because... it seems like absolutely bloody madness to me? They've had a poor second half to the season but they've only just been promoted, they've shown potential and he's kept them safe. What more do you want in your first season up?

https://twitter.com/WatfordFC/status/731042084149399552?lang=en-gb

CraigDS · « **Reply #2 on:** May 13, 2016, 10:01:28 am »

Bizarre decision.

Ziltoid · « **Reply #3 on:** May 13, 2016, 10:02:55 am »

Think i'll pop some money on Watford going down next season.

Walshy nMe® · « **Reply #4 on:** May 13, 2016, 10:03:16 am »

They were talking about this over the pasty few weeks.

He has done a very good job there, keeping them in the league and cementing them as a decent mid table side this season. Did they expect more?

The game is going to the dogs still it seems.

Rush 82 · « **Reply #5 on:** May 13, 2016, 10:03:24 am »

Bizarre decision, really bizarre.

Wonder where he'll go.

El Lobo · « **Reply #6 on:** May 13, 2016, 10:03:27 am »

Kinda feel like this might end up a bit like when Leicester got rid of Pearson or Southampton sacked Adkins, and actually not turn out that bizarre after all. Obviously depends who they get in.

CraigDS · « **Reply #7 on:** May 13, 2016, 10:05:57 am »

Quote from: Walshy nMe® on May 13, 2016, 10:03:16 am

They were talking about this over the pasty few weeks.

Someone hungry?

MichaelA · « **Reply #8 on:** May 13, 2016, 10:06:19 am »

Quote from: Walshy nMe® on May 13, 2016, 10:03:16 am

They were talking about this over the pasty few weeks.

Quiche Sanches Flores?

CraigDS · « **Reply #9 on:** May 13, 2016, 10:06:27 am »

Quote from: El Lobo on May 13, 2016, 10:03:27 am

Kinda feel like this might end up a bit like when Leicester got rid of Pearson or Southampton sacked Adkins, and actually not turn out that bizarre after all. Obviously depends who they get in.

You think Watford will win the league next season?

Samie · « **Reply #10 on:** May 13, 2016, 10:08:43 am »

Stupid decision. Who are they going to get that's better?

Rush 82 · « **Reply #11 on:** May 13, 2016, 10:09:30 am »

Quote from: El Lobo on May 13, 2016, 10:03:27 am

Kinda feel like this might end up a bit like when Leicester got rid of Pearson or Southampton sacked Adkins, and actually not turn out that bizarre after all. Obviously depends who they get in.

You think?

If they don't get someone like Rafa they'll be in the relegation zone next season.

Flores did a decent job with them - Deeny and Ighalo's form dropped off something terrible in the latter half of the season

Walshy nMe® · « **Reply #12 on:** May 13, 2016, 10:09:32 am »

Quote from: CraigDS on May 13, 2016, 10:05:57 am

Someone hungry?

It's about time for 2nd breakfast, aye.

Gerry Attrick · « **Reply #13 on:** May 13, 2016, 10:09:50 am »

Quote from: Samie on May 13, 2016, 10:08:43 am

Stupid decision. Who are they going to get that's better?

jackh · « **Reply #14 on:** May 13, 2016, 10:12:37 am »

Quote from: Gerry Attrick on May 13, 2016, 09:59:53 am

Watford manager Quique Sanchez Flores will leave the Premier League club at the end of the season.

The Spaniard, 51, was appointed in June 2014 following the club's promotion from the Championship.

The Hornets are 13th in the Premier League, but have won just two of their past 11 top-flight games.

Sanchez, who also guided Watford to the FA Cup semi-finals, will leave after the final game of the season - against Sunderland at Vicarage Road on Sunday.

"We would like to thank Quique. He and the team achieved the target set at the start of the season of staying in the Premier League for a second year," said a club statement.

"Quique leaves with all our best wishes for the future and the knowledge he is always welcome at Vicarage Road."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/36284162

Absolutely stupid decision from the club in my opinion.

Regardless of whatever's going on in the background, I actually think that public statement stinks a bit. Sanches and Watford have achieved far more than their target this season - after a promotion season and summer of upheaval, they're going to finish between 7-13 points clear of relegation with a respectable goal difference built upon a solid defence...they go in to the final game with a chance of finishing ahead of 4 very solid and experienced Premier League sides (West Brom, Palace, Everton, and Swansea).

It's not a major surprise given the talk over the last month or so, and - as El Lobo mentions - we don't know what's going on behind the scenes, but I think that statement undersells their achievement this season.

Gerry Attrick · « **Reply #15 on:** May 13, 2016, 10:14:35 am »

Quote from: jackh on May 13, 2016, 10:12:37 am

Regardless of whatever's going on in the background, I actually think that public statement stinks a bit. Sanches and Watford have achieved far more than their target this season - after a promotion season and summer of upheaval, they're going to finish between 7-13 points clear of relegation with a respectable goal difference built upon a solid defence...they go in to the final game with a chance of finishing ahead of 4 very solid and experienced Premier League sides (West Brom, Palace, Everton, and Swansea).

It's not a major surprise given the talk over the last month or so, and - as El Lobo mentions - we don't know what's going on behind the scenes, but I think that statement undersells their achievement this season.

Have to agree with you, especially when you think of how many players they turned over in the summer. Must've signed about 15 players and it's not easy to get all of them to gel quickly. I think he's done a very decent job and shouldn't be short of offers elsewhere.

El Lobo · « **Reply #16 on:** May 13, 2016, 10:15:39 am »

Quote from: Rush 82 on May 13, 2016, 10:09:30 am

You think?

If they don't get someone like Rafa they'll be in the relegation zone next season.

Flores did a decent job with them - Deeney and Ighalo's form dropped off something terrible in the latter half of the season

Yeah maybe.

He's done a good job there clearly, but sometimes it's not always a bad thing to change manager.

Incidentally I've just turned on FM and the first bit of news is 'Celta sack Quique Flores'

Old No7 · « **Reply #17 on:** May 13, 2016, 10:16:31 am »

For everyone saying it's a stupid or bizarre decision, it's how Watford are run. They got promoted to the PL using 4 different mangers in a season, they then got another new manager (Flores) for the premier league & got rid of the guy who got them promoted. They wanted Flores to keep them up, he's done that & now it's on to the next guy to do whatever their target is next season.

It's just how they operate & it's not conventional. Seems to work for them though

PhilV · « **Reply #18 on:** May 13, 2016, 10:20:03 am »

Shit decision and shows how messed up Football can be.

He and his team as well as players achieved a lot this season for a club of Watford's stature. He played good football, managed the players he had well and earned a respectable points tally.

The club itself note he achieved his targets, but still he goes walking?

Very silly decision, do Watford really think they can do better? Agreed the second half of the season was not good but they overachieved first half.

I think this is silly from them as a club.

Alf · « **Reply #19 on:** May 13, 2016, 10:21:32 am »

Kept them up which is more than anyone else has done in the Premier League.

Zeb · « **Reply #20 on:** May 13, 2016, 10:26:03 am »

"I've enjoyed it a lot at Watford," he says. "I thank the fans. It's been amazing. I achieved the target but it's football.

"I understand the board's decision. The club and me don't have the same point of view about the season. We have different conditions.

"The only thing I can say is thank you to the fans."

(from BBC livefeed at his press conference)

Sixth manager in a couple of years there isn't he? Know not all of that was done by owners, with a couple of health related retirements, but still.

planet-terror · « **Reply #21 on:** May 13, 2016, 10:26:20 am »

strange decision,,theyve had a good season..

maybe he needs a doctor

MOZ · « **Reply #22 on:** May 13, 2016, 10:26:21 am »

It seems to be the Pozzo way. Since Granada got promoted in 2011, they have been through eight or nine coaches.

However, they have failed to progress in that time and have never finished higher than 15th.

Rush 82 · « **Reply #23 on:** May 13, 2016, 10:31:02 am »

I'm glad in a way - I quite liked the fella and we can't afford to be liking other teams managers - makes us soft

Wyl · « **Reply #24 on:** May 13, 2016, 10:40:01 am »

Watford fans I've heard seemed to think that it's a bit of a shame, but the right decision. From the outside the decision (and others from the Watford owners) seems a bit odd, but maybe it works for them.

HighSix · « **Reply #25 on:** May 13, 2016, 10:44:51 am »

Casualty of the Leicester era?

Feel theres going to be even more sackings now on lower down the league. Safety not seen to be enough.

Rush 82 · « **Reply #26 on:** May 13, 2016, 10:50:32 am »

Having a look at their League record underscores the bizarre nature of the decision.

Their losses have been to: Leicester, Arsenal, Spurs, City, United, West Ham, Southampton, Liverpool, Palace, Stoke, Palace and Norwich. Mostly teams well above them on the table. Arsenal are the only ones who really battered them.

Must be personal disagreement between him and owner, 'cos there's been little wrong with what he's achieved with them this season.

Watford - All fixtures & matches (in reverse order)

1. Norwich City 4 2 Watford
2. Everton 2 2 Watford
3. Watford 0 0 West Brom
4. Watford 0 0 Southampton
5. Manchester City 2 0 Watford
6. Watford 1 0 Swansea City
7. Newcastle 1 2 Watford
8. Watford 0 1 Crystal Palace
9. Bournemouth 1 1 Watford
10. Watford 0 3 Arsenal
11. Stoke City 0 2 Watford
12. Watford 2 0 West Ham
13. Leicester City 2 1 Watford
14. Watford 1 2 Manchester Utd
15. Aston Villa 2 3 Watford
16. Watford 2 0 Norwich City
17. Sunderland 0 1 Watford
18. Watford 3 0 Liverpool
19. Chelsea 2 2 Watford
20. Watford 1 2 Tottenham
21. Watford 1 2 Manchester City
22. Southampton 2 0 Watford
23. Swansea City 1 0 Watford
24. Watford 2 1 Newcastle
25. Watford 0 0 Chelsea
26. Tottenham 1 0 Watford
27. Crystal Palace 1 2 Watford
28. Watford 0 0 Bournemouth
29. Manchester Utd 1 0 Watford
30. Watford 0 1 Leicester City
31. Watford 1 2 Stoke City
32. Arsenal 4 0 Watford
33. Watford 1 1 Everton
34. West Brom 0 1 Watford
35. West Ham 3 1 Watford
36. Watford 3 2 Aston Villa
37. Liverpool 2 0 Watford

Chris~ · « **Reply #27 on:** May 13, 2016, 10:51:19 am »

If they think they can hire a better manager then I don't see the problem. Did the same after getting promoted and it worked out.

Quote from: HighSix on May 13, 2016, 10:44:51 am

Casualty of the Leicester era?

Feel theres going to be even more sackings now on lower down the league. Safety not seen to be enough.

Southampton did the same with Adkins/Pochettino and it's not like managers tend to last long lower down the league anyway.

Adam_LFC · « **Reply #28 on:** May 13, 2016, 10:51:57 am »

Surely it's a bit of a mutual decision. Club's are so spoilt these days. He totally smashed expectations there.

gazzalfc · « **Reply #29 on:** May 13, 2016, 10:53:41 am »

Stupid decision regardless of how he is viewed by the board.

Going to be a very interesting Summer with new managers bedding in.

We need to take full advantage of that

Rush 82 · « **Reply #30 on:** May 13, 2016, 10:54:50 am »

Come to think of it, looking at their results again, they're probably looking for a manager who can conjure up more goals for them.

Too many draws.

Lfsea · « **Reply #31 on:** May 13, 2016, 11:01:17 am »

Can only think they've had a whisper that another high profile manager fancies the job and decided that, perhaps like us with Jurgen, they've got to act quickly to stand any chance of getting him.

As such, I wonder if Brendan might be the sort of fella that they want. With Everton managerless and Newcastle potentially without one if Rafa departs, I wonder if he might bring the type of football the owner wants to Watford.

Historical Fool · « **Reply #32 on:** May 13, 2016, 11:03:15 am »

In part a casualty of his own success.

The truth is he never recovered from the signing of Mario Suarez. Before he signed, he could comfortably play Ben Watson and capoue / abdi in a conventional Leicester like 442 with deeney dropping off ighalo. With Suarez, the big money signing, he had to play him but he couldn't drop Watson, so he changed the shape completely, playing two defensive midfielders and shuttling Anya / guerdioura to the wings. Deeney as well wasn't the foil for ighalo that he was previously, so ighalo was pretty isolated, which explains his drop off in form over the last 12 or so game weeks.

All in all, watford after having more or less secured survival from the first half of the campaign, probably reevaluated their priorities in the second half and Flores fell short of that. Bit harsh, but if he can't get them to play in a formation that both plays Suarez and protects ighalo's value, then he would've gone sooner or later imo.

MOZ · « **Reply #33 on:** May 13, 2016, 11:10:37 am »

Quote from: Lfsea on May 13, 2016, 11:01:17 am

Can only think they've had a whisper that another high profile manager fancies the job and decided that, perhaps like us with Jurgen, they've got to act quickly to stand any chance of getting him.

As such, I wonder if Brendan might be the sort of fella that they want. With Everton managerless and Newcastle potentially without one if Rafa departs, I wonder if he might bring the type of football the owner wants to Watford.

Walter Mazzarri

Upinsmoke · « **Reply #34 on:** May 13, 2016, 11:12:27 am »

Dickheads. Your fucking Watford for fuck sake.

No surprise though with Italian owners, you basically get fuck all time.

Lfsea · « **Reply #35 on:** May 13, 2016, 11:14:43 am »

Quote from: MOZ on May 13, 2016, 11:10:37 am

Walter Mazzarri

Ignoring the obvious Italian connection, why him, do we think? He's been out of the game what, 2 years and made a fairly ordinary Inter side even more ordinary, from recollection.

Klopp-A-Delphia · « **Reply #36 on:** May 13, 2016, 11:15:50 am »

Stupid club, stupid "city" (it's a suburb!), stupid decision.

Peabee · « **Reply #37 on:** May 13, 2016, 11:16:43 am »

Quote from: El Lobo on May 13, 2016, 10:03:27 am

Kinda feel like this might end up a bit like when Leicester got rid of Pearson or Southampton sacked Adkins, and actually not turn out that bizarre after all. Obviously depends who they get in.

Leicester started playing well last season with Pearson though. That's how they managed to escape relegation.

Keita Success · « **Reply #38 on:** May 13, 2016, 11:17:34 am »

I hope to fuck that they go down

ShrewKop · « **Reply #39 on:** May 13, 2016, 11:19:05 am »

Didn't they get promoted and sack their manager to bring in Flores? They seem to reward successful managers with a nice compensation package. Good of them...