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Re: John Barnes
« Reply #440 on: March 29, 2019, 02:12:24 pm »
Since I wasn't around, was he two-footed similar to what Sadio is? After all, he can score belters with both feet, which is not something I'd associated with many wingers. Did he score plenty of long-range goals as well similar to what Mo did last season? "all goals for Liverpool FC" compilations don't seem to go back longer than the Premier League days on Youtube!

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Re: John Barnes
« Reply #441 on: March 29, 2019, 02:33:57 pm »
between 87-91 he was the best player in the league

he must have had about 20 assists a season at times, usually beating the full back to the line and whipping in a cross. He was the best crosser ive probably seen as he could do it at pace too.

Deadball specialist especially with free kicks, he could use two feet, his right foot was pretty underrated as was his heading ability.

off the top of my head he scored a wonderful right foot shot at Ipswich in 1994, there was a good one too at Southampton in 1987, showed in on his supposed weaker foot and he literally passed it in to the goal from about 25 yards. There was another absolute belter in the last minute against Aston Villa in 1990 which crashed in off the bar.

Heading wise, recalling quickly, Millwall in 89, Southampton in 90, United in 97 to name 3

I do wonder at times why full backs and defence didnt do more to stop him reaching the bye line and whipping in a cross. There must be about 30 goals between 87-89 of him doing that to set up Aldridge, i guess Barnes was just brilliant at finding space and I guess to because of his balance, speed, control and skill there was no way to stop it. He seem to run faster when he had the ball.

His speed was good because of his acceleration, over the first 3-5 yards he would leave you for dead.

Injuries from 1991 on slowed him. 1991-2 was really the start of it as i think he only played about 5 games up to March (although one was a hat-trick against Crewe including a right footer at height the top corner and a back heel).

The summer of 1992 he snapped his achilles and to this day he has one leg muscle notably smaller than the other, it killed his acceleration. He didnt play that season until November. Pace wise with Mane there is no contest, Mane would have left a peak John Barnes for dead over 50 yards but maybe diet had to do with it, apparently Barnes would eat either a whole chicken or a big steak before a game as did everyone then, players definitely seem faster now and not having a big belly full of steak im sure helps plus advances in training and technology to help. The game was slower then, believe me today players like Neil Ruddock and Jan Molby in the shape they were in at times wouldnt last 10 minutes before being bombed out.

Which brings me to another point, he slowed down in later years with his weight, someone once said he only had to look at a jaffa cake and he put on half a pound, in 1993-4 he didnt play until november and i remember his first game back the pub was shocked to see him, he looked a good 20 pounds overweight.

i think fans were becoming very frustrated with him at this point as they expected the winger of the early years and his pace was ruined by the injury which probably meant he couldnt train as hard and maybe it flared up and he put on weight when out.

even between 1994-7 fans were frustrated but looking back his game evolved so much at that time, he was actually ahead of him time as he could link the play with defence and attack so well, he rarely gave the ball away and was still a very intelligent ball user (eg the guided finish at southampton in 1996 when Dave Beasant fluffed a clearance and Barnes literally sidefooted it home from about 40 yards)

He got his weight down most of the time and i think between 1994-7 he was a completely different asset to the team and good foil for the younger players like Redknapp and McManaman.

Tremendous ball control and passing, that never left him. Super intelligent player. You would pay mega money for a player like that today.

as for earlier in his career with the amount of assists and goals he had and what he could do it is no exaggeration he could probably get a world record fee if we sold him

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Re: John Barnes
« Reply #442 on: March 29, 2019, 02:42:56 pm »
It was a different game back then, wide players tended to play on the side of their favoured foot, so Barnes was a left winger, he didn't have the option to cut in on his favourite foot like Sadio does now. 

That's true of John, but not true of some of our earlier wingers. Steve Heighway and Peter Thompson tended to play on the 'wrong' wing and both were happy to cut inside.
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Re: John Barnes
« Reply #443 on: March 29, 2019, 02:45:19 pm »
That's true of John, but not true of some of our earlier wingers. Steve Heighway and Peter Thompson tended to play on the 'wrong' wing and both were happy to cut inside.

Those guys were before my time, mid-80s onwards for me.  Barnes could've played anywhere across the front, really.  Either side, as a 10 or even up top as a quasi-target man because he was so strong for someone so nimble.
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Re: John Barnes
« Reply #444 on: March 29, 2019, 04:01:34 pm »
Since I wasn't around, was he two-footed similar to what Sadio is? After all, he can score belters with both feet, which is not something I'd associated with many wingers. Did he score plenty of long-range goals as well similar to what Mo did last season? "all goals for Liverpool FC" compilations don't seem to go back longer than the Premier League days on Youtube!

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Mix of right and left foot goals, the one at Woodison was special.

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Re: John Barnes
« Reply #445 on: March 29, 2019, 04:12:26 pm »
Underrated in every way. And probably the smartest footballer player I`ve heard.

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Re: John Barnes
« Reply #446 on: March 29, 2019, 04:24:16 pm »


Wrong foot.

I was at that game I think. Late August 90/91 I think.

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Re: John Barnes
« Reply #447 on: March 29, 2019, 08:14:36 pm »
For you old-timers, I was born in 1991 so never saw him play. I've gotten the impression though, that he was very similar to Sadio in terms of style of play more than a standard wideman as in an inside forward with great tenacity? Is that correct?

Absolute legend though. Best player in his position England has had since colour TV came around.

I saw him live on numerous occasions in a red shirt but the stand out moment strangely was the one and only time I saw England at Wembley, late 80's, in a game against Poland when although he wasn't at his best, he had the that star quality where as soon as he received the ball there was almost a gasp from the crowd in expectation of what might happen. These were neutrals sprinkled in with Scouse haters remember. Digger had stardust sprinkled on his boots.

I went to the ground several times in his swansong when he played a more withdrawn role and everything seemed to go through him. Quick passes, him in the centre pinged around until some space opened up. A highly intelligent footballer, I was so disappointed his managerial career never took off.

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Re: John Barnes
« Reply #448 on: March 29, 2019, 08:28:44 pm »
So essentially, he took the same path as Giggs to extend his career in the middle of the park because of injuries and not really because of age, that's interesting.

How many "Maxi/Kuyt" goals did he score then? Relying on movement into the box from out wide? Also, would you say that Beardsley resembled Firmino a bit back then? Did he play as a deep-lying striker while Aldridge/Rush playing solely as Sturridge-esque poachers?
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Re: John Barnes
« Reply #449 on: April 1, 2019, 01:25:31 pm »
between 87-91 he was the best player in the league

he must have had about 20 assists a season at times, usually beating the full back to the line and whipping in a cross. He was the best crosser ive probably seen as he could do it at pace too.

Deadball specialist especially with free kicks, he could use two feet, his right foot was pretty underrated as was his heading ability.

off the top of my head he scored a wonderful right foot shot at Ipswich in 1994, there was a good one too at Southampton in 1987, showed in on his supposed weaker foot and he literally passed it in to the goal from about 25 yards. There was another absolute belter in the last minute against Aston Villa in 1990 which crashed in off the bar.

Heading wise, recalling quickly, Millwall in 89, Southampton in 90, United in 97 to name 3

I do wonder at times why full backs and defence didnt do more to stop him reaching the bye line and whipping in a cross. There must be about 30 goals between 87-89 of him doing that to set up Aldridge, i guess Barnes was just brilliant at finding space and I guess to because of his balance, speed, control and skill there was no way to stop it. He seem to run faster when he had the ball.

His speed was good because of his acceleration, over the first 3-5 yards he would leave you for dead.

Injuries from 1991 on slowed him. 1991-2 was really the start of it as i think he only played about 5 games up to March (although one was a hat-trick against Crewe including a right footer at height the top corner and a back heel).

The summer of 1992 he snapped his achilles and to this day he has one leg muscle notably smaller than the other, it killed his acceleration. He didnt play that season until November. Pace wise with Mane there is no contest, Mane would have left a peak John Barnes for dead over 50 yards but maybe diet had to do with it, apparently Barnes would eat either a whole chicken or a big steak before a game as did everyone then, players definitely seem faster now and not having a big belly full of steak im sure helps plus advances in training and technology to help. The game was slower then, believe me today players like Neil Ruddock and Jan Molby in the shape they were in at times wouldnt last 10 minutes before being bombed out.

Which brings me to another point, he slowed down in later years with his weight, someone once said he only had to look at a jaffa cake and he put on half a pound, in 1993-4 he didnt play until november and i remember his first game back the pub was shocked to see him, he looked a good 20 pounds overweight.

i think fans were becoming very frustrated with him at this point as they expected the winger of the early years and his pace was ruined by the injury which probably meant he couldnt train as hard and maybe it flared up and he put on weight when out.

even between 1994-7 fans were frustrated but looking back his game evolved so much at that time, he was actually ahead of him time as he could link the play with defence and attack so well, he rarely gave the ball away and was still a very intelligent ball user (eg the guided finish at southampton in 1996 when Dave Beasant fluffed a clearance and Barnes literally sidefooted it home from about 40 yards)

He got his weight down most of the time and i think between 1994-7 he was a completely different asset to the team and good foil for the younger players like Redknapp and McManaman.

Tremendous ball control and passing, that never left him. Super intelligent player. You would pay mega money for a player like that today.

as for earlier in his career with the amount of assists and goals he had and what he could do it is no exaggeration he could probably get a world record fee if we sold him

Heading wise I remember his goal against Aston Villa in the FA Cup in 87-88, the game where we wore white shirts and red shorts (can't remember too many other occasions with that combo). A pretty rubbish cross from the right (from Houghton?) that went behind Barnes, but he dived backwards and somehow got good contact on it into the far corner. One of the most technically astounding headers I've seen.

And why did defenders let Barnes go down the wing so often? Well, when Barnes went he usually gave the ball to Beardsley first. The FB is already wrong footed from facing up the pitch, and Beardsley is looking at the exact right area and exact right weight of pass to release Barnes who is sprinting unencumbered by having to control the ball or worrying about the defender getting a foot in. Barnes was pretty quick in his winger days as well, able to outsprint most defenders even when they're facing the right way.
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Re: John Barnes
« Reply #450 on: April 1, 2019, 01:31:36 pm »
So essentially, he took the same path as Giggs to extend his career in the middle of the park because of injuries and not really because of age, that's interesting.

How many "Maxi/Kuyt" goals did he score then? Relying on movement into the box from out wide? Also, would you say that Beardsley resembled Firmino a bit back then? Did he play as a deep-lying striker while Aldridge/Rush playing solely as Sturridge-esque poachers?

Think of Beardsley as a Benayoun-ish kind of dribbler but with the vision and decision making of the best classic no.10s you've seen and you've got him in a nutshell. And he wasn't even the best attacker in the team.
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Re: John Barnes
« Reply #451 on: April 1, 2019, 01:39:19 pm »

For 3 or 4 seasons he was the best player in the league, almost unstoppable. I remember one night game against United & they couldnt handle him, so they took turns trying to hack him out of the game. He had that sublime gliding style that was faster than it looked.

After the achilles injury he was never the same and developed into a central midfielder, the type of which I think we had too many; Molby in decline, Ronny Whelan, an emerging Jamie Redknapp even. Short passing that annoyed a few if memory serves, simply because he could never go back to what he was. Gini (who has more pace than Barnes then) kinds reminds me of him in that phase.
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Re: John Barnes
« Reply #452 on: April 1, 2019, 02:26:40 pm »
Heading wise I remember his goal against Aston Villa in the FA Cup in 87-88, the game where we wore white shirts and red shorts (can't remember too many other occasions with that combo). A pretty rubbish cross from the right (from Houghton?) that went behind Barnes, but he dived backwards and somehow got good contact on it into the far corner. One of the most technically astounding headers I've seen.

And why did defenders let Barnes go down the wing so often? Well, when Barnes went he usually gave the ball to Beardsley first. The FB is already wrong footed from facing up the pitch, and Beardsley is looking at the exact right area and exact right weight of pass to release Barnes who is sprinting unencumbered by having to control the ball or worrying about the defender getting a foot in. Barnes was pretty quick in his winger days as well, able to outsprint most defenders even when they're facing the right way.
i dont know how i left that villa goal out, it was amazing, i love that goal and a good point by you in that he made the cross from Ray Houghton look good. there is an excellent view of that goal from behind the goal.

i meant to type it in my original post there and i guess it slipped my mind somehow
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Re: John Barnes
« Reply #453 on: April 1, 2019, 02:57:53 pm »
i dont know how i left that villa goal out, it was amazing, i love that goal and a good point by you in that he made the cross from Ray Houghton look good. there is an excellent view of that goal from behind the goal.

i meant to type it in my original post there and i guess it slipped my mind somehow

Scored a good header in the 4-0 win over United too. Deflected shot that had very little pace in it, got a great leap and nodded it low into the far corner.

The Beardsley/Benayoun dribbling style is very apt, same kind of ‘loose’ ankles and hips that they danced over the ball with. Beardsley was obviously a more lethal player though.

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Re: John Barnes
« Reply #454 on: April 1, 2019, 03:02:46 pm »
Scored a good header in the 4-0 win over United too. Deflected shot that had very little pace in it, got a great leap and nodded it low into the far corner.

The Beardsley/Benayoun dribbling style is very apt, same kind of ‘loose’ ankles and hips that they danced over the ball with. Beardsley was obviously a more lethal player though.
yeah i just selected a few rather than go through every header he ever scored

theres a youtube clip of his goals that goes on about 45 mins
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« Reply #455 on: April 1, 2019, 03:38:44 pm »
yeah i just selected a few rather than go through every header he ever scored

theres a youtube clip of his goals that goes on about 45 mins

Haha fair point. :D

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Re: John Barnes
« Reply #456 on: April 1, 2019, 09:42:54 pm »
His free kick against Arsenal in 89-90 at Anfield was brilliant, ‘true Brazilian style’ as Brian Moore referred to it.
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Re: John Barnes
« Reply #458 on: May 21, 2019, 11:23:30 am »
^ wow that's powerful, he is so wise, a great man.

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Re: John Barnes
« Reply #459 on: June 9, 2019, 10:57:53 am »
Signed for us 32 years ago today. What a player he was.

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Re: John Barnes
« Reply #460 on: June 9, 2019, 11:36:09 am »
Does anyone remember that free kick routine from the famous Nottm Forest game? Beardsley and McMahon either end of a wall. Barnes passes it to Beardsley, who flicks it to McMahon, who has peeled off and run in behind. I remember seeing it at least twice, once in the Forest 5-0 and one other time, scoring on neither occasion. Or was it Houghton rather than McMahon?
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Re: John Barnes
« Reply #461 on: June 10, 2019, 10:09:51 am »
yeah Barnes shaped to shoot and i think it was Houghton who missed.

great move.

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Re: John Barnes
« Reply #462 on: June 11, 2019, 12:35:36 am »
Barnsey will always be my footballing hero. He was the guy I always wanted to be on the footy pitch when growing up. In my eyes, the most skilful player to ever wear the red of LFC
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« Reply #463 on: June 11, 2019, 10:59:45 am »
Does anyone remember that free kick routine from the famous Nottm Forest game? Beardsley and McMahon either end of a wall. Barnes passes it to Beardsley, who flicks it to McMahon, who has peeled off and run in behind. I remember seeing it at least twice, once in the Forest 5-0 and one other time, scoring on neither occasion. Or was it Houghton rather than McMahon?

Coventry at home maybe?

There are so many incredible Barnes/Liverpool performances that season that there is no footage of. The Forest game gets all the attention, but there were 3 or 4 other games that season which were equally breathtaking, if not more so. Derby, watford, Coventry, Newcastle, Portsmouth, immediately spring to mind. All got absolutely battered.

Barnes the star of the show in each one.
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Re: John Barnes
« Reply #464 on: June 13, 2019, 09:19:10 pm »
Coventry at home maybe?

There are so many incredible Barnes/Liverpool performances that season that there is no footage of. The Forest game gets all the attention, but there were 3 or 4 other games that season which were equally breathtaking, if not more so. Derby, watford, Coventry, Newcastle, Portsmouth, immediately spring to mind. All got absolutely battered.

Barnes the star of the show in each one.

I remember 2-1 Chelsea at home being one of those rare occasions (back then) when the opposition couldn't get out of their half. It's routine nowadays, but back then even lesser teams competed more, and clubs weren't as far separated in resources, so even the strongest teams had to earn the right to play. When we were chasing the equaliser, every time Chelsea got the ball, we'd get it back almost immediately and return to the attack. That kind of dominance of territory was practically unheard of back then.
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Re: John Barnes
« Reply #465 on: June 13, 2019, 11:14:04 pm »
Barnsey will always be my footballing hero. He was the guy I always wanted to be on the footy pitch when growing up. In my eyes, the most skilful player to ever wear the red of LFC
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« Reply #466 on: June 14, 2019, 12:47:13 am »
I can only find this video on twitter, but this is still one of my all time favourite goals:

https://twitter.com/sid_lambert/status/1078961441485582336?s=21
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Re: John Barnes
« Reply #467 on: June 14, 2019, 04:27:27 pm »
Signed for us 32 years ago today. What a player he was.

And at the time I remember reading Liverpool were taking a chance on him lol crazy to think that as even at Watford you could see he was a different class. God knows how much he would cost today if you had to buy him from a current day watford....100m plus
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Re: John Barnes
« Reply #468 on: July 2, 2019, 03:13:21 pm »
Barnsey could shit on my carpet and I'd just pass him the loo roll. Along with David Fairclough and Kenny, my all time fave players. All the best John. :)
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Re: John Barnes
« Reply #469 on: July 3, 2019, 01:06:18 pm »
Barnsey will always be my footballing hero. He was the guy I always wanted to be on the footy pitch when growing up. In my eyes, the most skilful player to ever wear the red of LFC

Me too. I actually think I would have been a much better footballer if Barnes wasn't my hero as a kid. I wanted to play like him so much, I would even try standing on the pitch in poses like Barnes did. Thing was, my skillset was nothing like Barnes' (whose is?) - I was short, skinny, right footed, lacking in pace as well as having average levels of natural ability. I wish as a 10 year-old I'd had the realisation I had in my late teens that I needed to find a way/position to disguise my limitations. I wasted years attempting to be a devastating left winger. I eventually ended up being a pretty decent right back.

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Re: John Barnes
« Reply #470 on: July 3, 2019, 02:55:34 pm »
id love to know how many assists he had

looking at 87-88 fixtures i can work out at least 20!

and a lot of games there's no footage some of which ended up 4-0 (newcastle, watford, derby and portsmouth at home) so id wager there must be at least another 5.

he scored 17 that season

i make at least another 17 in 1988-89 and again some footage of them games is hard to come by, he missed a few games injured at start of season. 13 goals.

1989-90 can only think of 10 looking at fixtures but he did increase his own goal tally to 28.

1990-91 i make at least 14 assists and 18 goals.

so i make out at least 61 assists and 76 goals in 178 games. some going
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Re: John Barnes
« Reply #471 on: July 3, 2019, 09:16:41 pm »
I was lucky enough to meet Jon Barnes today, and hear him do a brilliant Q&A at an event at Anfield. An absolute hero of mine, he cemented that by rinsing an Everton fan who was in attendance :lmao basically how their fans generally have that typical ‘Everton Face’ having grown up in our shadow. To be fair it was all in good humour. Also got to meet Olly Dale, LFC Commercial Director, he’s an impressive fella.

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Re: John Barnes
« Reply #472 on: September 30, 2019, 06:02:44 am »
Frankly I’m a bit sick of him being used as the media’s go-to for all things racism.

He has said a fair few valid points, but his recent tweets and media interviews regarding the Bernanrdo Silva situation are genuinely angering.

I hope he reads his mentions on twitter.
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Re: John Barnes
« Reply #474 on: October 1, 2019, 08:16:57 pm »
John Barnes - he only scores Bangors.
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Re: John Barnes
« Reply #476 on: October 4, 2019, 02:34:23 pm »
https://www.northwaleschronicle.co.uk/sport/17939239.ex-liverpool-england-legend-john-barnes-heavily-linked-vacant-job-bangor-city/?fbclid=IwAR3m8fZdIveb6DKyvABsRGXZtO1qnlYcigWlzsD-cJijpBebBVEhTi64WIQ

He's been linked with the Bangor City (Wales) job....

would be the oddest move at any point, but consiering the mess Bangor City have been in and are in off the field, it'd been even odder move.

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« Reply #477 on: October 4, 2019, 09:06:53 pm »
would be the oddest move at any point, but consiering the mess Bangor City have been in and are in off the field, it'd been even odder move.

if he had any sense he'd stay well clear! they aren't even the biggest team in bangor anymore ;)

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Re: John Barnes
« Reply #478 on: October 14, 2019, 10:19:49 am »
Barnes reiterating why words and gestures are just empty virtue signalling. A good read for the folks that took umbrage at his view of the Silva situation. https://www.theguardian.com/football/2019/oct/13/john-barnes-race-england-football-bernardo-silva-tweet

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“Football, and you can put this in your article,” John Barnes says as he leans forward and points at the dictaphone on the table between us, “is the least racist industry in this country. Yes, you have people shouting racist abuse and throwing bananas on the field, and there are issues regarding the number of black coaches and managers in the game, but which other industry allows a young black boy the exact same opportunity as a young white boy? Even at League One and League Two level you’ll see five or six black players, because they are given an opportunity to maximise their potential.”

Barnes has never been afraid to speak his mind when it comes to the issues that have increasingly come to define him – race and racism, on and off the field. He is arguably the most famous black player in England and had to endure racism as a player – the picture of him back-heeling a banana off the pitch during a Merseyside derby in 1988 is iconic.

He is a pioneer and an inspiration, but for many he has also become an apologist for cases of racism in recent months and that is why we are meeting at De Montfort University in Leicester before Barnes gives a talk there – so he can defend himself and have his say. It proves to be an engrossing hour or so in the company of the former Liverpool and England winger.

For Barnes it started in February when he came out in support of Liam Neeson after the actor had revealed during an interview that he once set out to kill a random black man in revenge for a woman he knew being raped. Barnes claimed Neeson “deserved a medal” for his honesty and that the only thing he was guilty of was unconscious bias. That led to criticism before the storm passed, only to break out again last month when Barnes spoke in defence of his former teammate Peter Beardsley after he was suspended by the Football Association for making racist comments to young black players in his capacity as Newcastle’s under‑23 coach.

Then came Barnes’s backing of Bernardo Silva after the midfielder tweeted an image of his Manchester City teammate Benjamin Mendy alongside the logo for the Spanish chocolate confectionery company Conguitos and compared the two. Silva was accused of racial stereotyping by the anti-racist group Kick It Out and has been charged by the FA with misconduct. But Barnes saw nothing wrong in what Silva did, which led to more outrage, especially on social media where the 55-year-old was accused of being out of touch and, yes, an apologist.

“I’m not an apologist,” Barnes insists. “I give balanced, constructive views and what happens is that bits and pieces of what I say are used against me. For a long time John Barnes was seen as the voice of reason when it came to race. John Barnes hasn’t changed; what’s changed is the reporting of John Barnes.”

I ask Barnes what he means by that and he goes on to speak about “elite black groups” in this country that sought his involvement in helping tackle racism in football but then did not want to know after he said he would only work with them if he could also focus his efforts on what is happening to black children growing up in inner-city areas, from a social, educational and vocational point of view.

“For these groups it is only about how terrible discrimination is in Montenegro or how terrible it is when Chelsea fans abuse Raheem Sterling, but these things have no impact on the black community. They are not what I want to focus my agenda on, and it was when I made that clear that the reporting of me changed.”

It is an intriguing and characteristically strongly delivered answer from Barnes, who goes on to reference this country’s “black elite” on more than one occasion. There is clear anger there and also defiance, which is equally notable when Barnes reiterates his defence of Neeson, Beardsley and, in particular, Silva. “What is wrong with a black man with big lips and a round head?” he says in reference to the Conguitos logo. “If you had to draw, say, N’Golo Kanté as a cartoon, how would he look? Would he not have black skin, big lips and a round head? Why is that negative?”

I make the point that the issue many people have with the Conguitos logo is its historical context. Conguitos literally means “little people of Congo” and its logo, dating back to the country’s independence from Belgium in 1960, appears quite clearly to be wrapped up in racist tropes from the time.

“If you go back to the cartoons the logo originates from then yes, that is unacceptable. But I’m pretty sure Bernardo Silva has not seen those cartoons, nor was he referencing them in his tweet,” Barnes replies. “All he’s come across is a picture on a Spanish sweet and a picture of Benjamin Mendy and said he thinks they look alike. Also, Sterling came out and said he saw nothing wrong with Silva’s tweet. Where is the criticism towards him?

“For a long time, images of black men with big lips and a round head were used to make us feel inferior, but it doesn’t need to be like that, we don’t need to self‑loathe. We can change the narrative. Many members of the black elite agree with me on that but, off the record, they claim we can’t say that publicly because that’s a very intellectual way to look at things and the black community isn’t ready for that. So are the black elite saying the black community is too thick to understand that? I want no part of that.”

Barnes is talking at De Montfort as part of the campus’s Black History Season. He is dressed in a dark jacket, blue shirt and dark trousers and is clearly energised by the prospect of sharing his thoughts on race and racism with an audience, something he has regularly been doing at colleges and universities since retiring as a player two decades ago. The same principles are brought up: scapegoating achieves nothing and that each case needs to be judged on its own merit, with the understanding that unconscious bias – something everyone is guilty of – could be at play. In regards to football specifically, Barnes also believes that racism cannot be eradicated from stadiums until it is eradicated from society.

It is in this context that Barnes disagrees with the idea of players walking off the pitch in protest against racist abuse, something members of England’s current squad, among them Sterling and Tammy Abraham, have said they are willing to do, starting, potentially, with Monday’s Euro 2020 qualifier in Bulgaria.

“It depends on what we consider to be racist abuse,” says Barnes. “Because while we know monkey chants are illegal, if the whole stadium wants to boo a black player every time he gets the ball, while we know why they’re doing it from a racial perspective, booing is not illegal. So we ban booing, but then they’ll clap instead. But again, clapping is not illegal. So what do we do then – ban clapping?

“The simple fact is there are no laws you can pass to stop people racially abusing black footballers. So the solution is to come up with something that doesn’t make people want to abuse black footballers in the first place.”

Barnes then homes in on his insistence that racism in football is directly linked to racism in society and, in doing so, calls on those involved in the sport, Sterling included, to play a more active role. “Raheem gave 550 FA Cup semi-final tickets to schoolchildren in Wembley, where he’s from. Instead of that why doesn’t he take those 550 children in to a press conference and tell the world’s media that these young people are being disenfranchised, that they haven’t got a good education, a good level of housing, that’s there’s crime in their area? Wouldn’t that be better?

“The black elite in this country should be using their platform to improve the lives of the black people they are meant to represent. By improving the lives of black people they’ll change the perception of black people, which in turn will see the entire black community prosper. That is the real fight against racism and what I have been championing for years.”

By now Barnes is full flow. The power and eloquence of his words are striking, and while his views are controversial they are also thought-provoking and unique among his peers. When I ask Barnes where that comes from he immediately references his late father, Ken. “My dad was a colonel, second in command of the Jamaican army, and when I meet soldiers who knew him they always say how much they loved him. While other elite members of the army stood back and strategised, my dad got involved with the troops and always made sure he had their backs. On an almost subliminal level that has influenced me – I do things in my life and realise afterwards ‘my dad would have done that’.”
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Re: John Barnes
« Reply #479 on: November 10, 2019, 10:04:38 pm »
Really enjoyed his podcast with Dion Fanning. Very thought provoking. So articulate. Ferdinand and Wright do my head in when they are analysing games. Barnes is so articulate. What an absolutely brilliant player he was. Genius. Sterling wouldn't be fit to lace his boots.