Topic: VAR! Video Assistant Referee & Shite Referees in General

[12C]

.....not to mention booking Mane for dissent. You see the mancs and everyone confronting the ref every week but when Mane has a go the manc ref got all sensitive

The very end of the game they got a free kick for offside. They placed the ball on the half way line, and then threw it into our half to take it. Neither Kavanagh or his assistants were arsed about it. That’s  how good they were. Incompetent?

[Machae]

Didnt the exact same thing happen in our game with Newcastle? Mane fell over the back of the keeper (more dragged down but we'll give him the benefit of the doubt) yet the VAR decided it was fair enough?

Yeah, was just thinking that

[Judge Red]

I would have said so, but remember how many fouls Gomez was allowed to get away with when he'd been given a yellow card? He had ample opportunity to give him a second yellow yet seemed strangely reluctant to do so. There was also a clear hand on Salah as well which was allowed to go unpunished.

That’s because upending or impeding Salah is fair game. Lost count of how many times Carra said he dived when being hacked or grabbed but said cock all when his beloved boyhood blues went writhing around or screaming before they were touched.

[Clint Eastwood]

He will watch it later on and go "ah, you know what I was wrong there". He absolutely will. It's negligent that he didn't bother watching the replay.

[12C]

I would have said so, but remember how many fouls Gomez was allowed to get away with when he'd been given a yellow card? He had ample opportunity to give him a second yellow yet seemed strangely reluctant to do so. There was also a clear hand on Salah as well which was allowed to go unpunished.

Mo was taken out by Dingy a couple of times but play was waved on.
It really annoys me when refs play on but don’t penalise the foul.
Gomez should have been booked earlier. The ref saw the foul and played on. He then calls Gomez over and should have booked him. Instead he gives him a lecture and he commits two more similar fouls before getting finally booked.

[LovelyCushionedHeader]

He will watch it later on and go "ah, you know what I was wrong there". He absolutely will. It's negligent that he didn't bother watching the replay.

He won’t. And Mike Riley will probably let him know he was right. Peter Walton definitely will.

[Clint Eastwood]

He won’t. And Mike Riley will probably let him know he was right. Peter Walton definitely will.

Andre Marriner even thought he was wrong. He's not looked at the replay, he may have thought Trent tried to stop him/stick a leg out initially, but he didn't watch the replay to see that DCL just ran in to him.

[Red_Mist]

He will watch it later on and go "ah, you know what I was wrong there". He absolutely will. It's negligent that he didn't bother watching the replay.

No chance. Not after he’s looked at it on the monitor then given it. He’s got no choice but to double down now. The alternative is admitting he’s bent and never reffing another game.

[CraigDS]

It still baffles me why a multi multi billion pound business, which is the PL, doesn’t employ the best of the best referees from around the world, and puts them through the best fitness and performance training. It’s central to their product.

Ignoring that oppo fans are likely loving seeing us fucked over, which is fair, I think ultimately pretty much all fans from all clubs would agree the standard of refs in this country is simply not good enough.

[J_Kopite]

He will watch it later on and go "ah, you know what I was wrong there".

That's cute.

[AshbourneRed]

They were always bad but it feels like they’ve properly doubled down and give a big fuck you to us since we dared to question them after the goodison derby. Corrupt c*nts.

[Kekule]

Mo was taken out by Dingy a couple of times but play was waved on.
It really annoys me when refs play on but don’t penalise the foul.
Gomez should have been booked earlier. The ref saw the foul and played on. He then calls Gomez over and should have booked him. Instead he gives him a lecture and he commits two more similar fouls before getting finally booked.

Doucoure wiped Allison out about 4 seconds after the ball had gone. By far the worst tackle in the game.  Nothing came of it. Not a booking, not a word. Nothing.

We’ve come off that field having barely committed a foul (other than nudges, which aren’t fouls when it’s our players being nudged) with two bookings.

They grappled, pulled, kicked, dived and mouthed off at the ref and had one booking.

How does that happen?  And it’s been happening for weeks. We were top of the fair play league a few weeks back with barely a handful of bookings.  It got mentioned in the commentary in one game ( I think the Newcastle one).  Ever since then we’ve been picking up bookings for fuck all in nearly every game, almost as if someone was alerted to it and thought that us having a good disciplinary record shouldn’t be allowed either.

[TepidT2O]

Did he even review that to see if it was a penalty?

Or just to see if it was a red card?

[macmanamanaman]

P.S: A smart move would be not to outsource this to Jurgen to act as the mouthpiece either to PL or press. It would just come across as a "rant" and not help.
Instead
- Leak the well compiled and referenced video reel comparing systematically all the incidents that are suspect, to a set of journos, influences on twitter etc
- Let it circulate socially for a while, hopefully attract lot of views, social commentary and eventually gets picked up by  the maintream press
- Then compile a few big articles from the mainstream press and then go the PGMOL and Premier League etc and demand a full investigation, based on sound allegations as evidenced by maintream press´s articles as reference.

Compare DCL today Vs Mane (no pen, no VAR even) in the Newcastle game.
Just another one to add to the roster of Liverpool being reffed to a different standard to the others.

No scratch that. There was no standard today.
I am fairly certain there is some bank account somewhere, that is a little bit (or a big bit!) happier.
Bets for 0-2 final score, and/or Pen in the game has been paid out to someone somewhere now
.....ref´s a nice job if you can get it.

[Circa1892]

Did he even review that to see if it was a penalty?

Or just to see if it was a red card?

The ESPN guy who loves VAR says Marriner called him over to overturn the penalty

[TepidT2O]

The ESPN guy who loves VAR says Marriner called him over to overturn the penalty

Blimey...

They might have showed him the view that made it clear..

[free_at_last]

It still baffles me why a multi multi billion pound business, which is the PL, doesn’t employ the best of the best referees from around the world, and puts them through the best fitness and performance training. It’s central to their product.

Ignoring that oppo fans are likely loving seeing us fucked over, which is fair, I think ultimately pretty much all fans from all clubs would agree the standard of refs in this country is simply not good enough.

Instead we get unprofessionals like this:
https://twitter.com/Road_End_Red/status/1346478251124822022?s=19

[Kopenhagen]

It still baffles me why a multi multi billion pound business, which is the PL, doesn’t employ the best of the best referees from around the world, and puts them through the best fitness and performance training. It’s central to their product.

Ignoring that oppo fans are likely loving seeing us fucked over, which is fair, I think ultimately pretty much all fans from all clubs would agree the standard of refs in this country is simply not good enough.

It's killing the game. I can't imagine a new fan watching this shitshow every week and continuing to stay interested. The "product" is fucking horrible right now and basically an exercise in masochism.

[Speedy Molby]

They were always bad but it feels like they’ve properly doubled down and give a big fuck you to us since we dared to question them after the goodison derby. Corrupt c*nts.

This has happened to Southampton too, since they complained. Refs are like coppers, just cover each other’s backs.

[CraigDS]

It's killing the game. I can't imagine a new fan watching this shitshow every week and continuing to stay interested. The "product" is fucking horrible right now and basically an exercise in masochism.

It really is.

I’ve laughed previously when fans have said they’re done and not watching, but you know what, for the first time in my life I’m genuinely considering fucking off watching PL football.

Every week, every game, it’s the same shite. Over and over.

[12C]

Did he even review that to see if it was a penalty?

Or just to see if it was a red card?

Well I’ve seen the dickhead espn blue tick sports journalist troll on Twitter saying that it was a pen because intent was taken out of the game. He even quotes the David Luiz sending off. He is too thick to realise that if it’s a pen it’s a red then.

That was frankly the worst penalty decision I’ve ever seen. Real time I can forgive a mistake. But for Stockley Park to call him to the monitor shows they knew he had fucked up. He didn’t even watch the replay.

[jillcwhomever]

The ESPN guy who loves VAR says Marriner called him over to overturn the penalty

The guy needs to be penalised then, if he actually went against that the question needs to be asked why he didn't change his mind.

[CraigDS]

Well I’ve seen the dickhead espn blue tick sports journalist

That c*nt is a blue isn’t he?

[Son of Spion]

English Football ...

[CraigDS]

The guy needs to be penalised then, if he actually went against that the question needs to be asked why he didn't change his mind.

Or at least view the angles the VAR looked at, and then took the time to consider it.

He ran over, glanced, turned and pointed. It was lip service.

[Dave McCoy]

Allison spilled the shot and if Trent isn't in the way it's a tap in.  I don't think intent matters but it's also a laughable call since we didn't get that with Mane in other games.  If that's a Pen then we should have had Pen's in other games.  If those other calls were correct then how is this a Pen?  It makes no sense.

[KevLFC]

Yep I'm now in this camp.

Refs bent as fuck. Shame there's no fans to do him in in the car park the c*nt

Now thats not how we behave. No wonder we get so much hate with idiots like you

[Hazell]

The ESPN guy who loves VAR says Marriner called him over to overturn the penalty

Unless I've read it wrong, he's saying it's a penalty on his twitter?

[Dave McCoy]

Unless I've read it wrong, he's saying it's a penalty on his twitter?

Yep, he thinks so as it's a DOGSO as well as stating he thinks Marriner fucked up by asking him to review the call instead of review for a red on Trent.  It conflicts though with his prior statements on the Mane calls so I think he's wrong here.

[macmanamanaman]

With Mane and Salah it is "not all contact in the box is a penalty. Went down easily there, but then again he has a habit of doing that...."
(btw, Calvert Lewin bought a penalty in a previous derby that was almost identical to the one that was not even considered to be given to Mane today)

With Kane and Rashford it is "Clever Clever player, gave the ref a decision to make"

In our box, when they attack, the attackers can just run straight into the defender, initiate contact, dive. Even straight up kick the defender on the ground (AND looking the other way) in the head with their knee....
and it is a penalty!

Unless the Liverpool staff and board take this up directly with whoever actually runs the EPL, it will go on.
And if Liverpool FC do not, then I dont see why we should be bothered?

I d rather watch some other sport.

[n00bert]

Allison spilled the shot and if Trent isn't in the way it's a tap in.  I don't think intent matters but it's also a laughable call since we didn't get that with Mane in other games.  If that's a Pen then we should have had Pen's in other games.  If those other calls were correct then how is this a Pen?  It makes no sense.

It’s totally different though. I thought it was the same initially. Mane takes the shot and gets cleaned out by the Burnley defender right after the shot is released. The laughable thing about that decision was that Barnes who took the ball the wrong way away from goal and left his foot to ‘draw’ the foul from Alisson in the same game got the pen.

 Here Calvert Lewin takes the shot, shot gets saved and stumbles into Trent and falls over. Trent cannot get out of the way and making no movement towards him.

It’s nowhere close to being the same.

[WhereAngelsPlay]

Did he even review that to see if it was a penalty?

Or just to see if it was a red card?

That's the thing,the bent c*nt doesn't even know the fucking rules.

If it was a penno then it was a red,it was neither like.

[Hazell]

Yep, he thinks so as it's a DOGSO as well as stating he thinks Marriner fucked up by asking him to review the call instead of review for a red on Trent.  It conflicts though with his prior statements on the Mane calls so I think he's wrong here.

Well at least it clears up Mane vs Burnley, Mane vs Newcastle and Jota vs Leicester(?). He's basically full of shit, however analytical he wants to be seen as.

[LovelyCushionedHeader]

He’s right that intent was taken out of the law. Which is why it should have been a free kick to us for Calvert Lewin kneeing TAA in the head.

[AshbourneRed]

Blimey...

They might have showed him the view that made it clear..

Kavanagh didn’t give them a chance to.

[thejbs]

does anyone have any theories as to why Manchester-born Chris Kavanagh appears to have an agenda against us?

[KevLFC]

With Mane and Salah it is "not all contact in the box is a penalty. Went down easily there, but then again he has a habit of doing that...."
(btw, Calvert Lewin bought a penalty in a previous derby that was almost identical to the one that was not even considered to be given to Mane today)

With Kane and Rashford it is "Clever Clever player, gave the ref a decision to make"

In our box, when they attack, the attackers can just run straight into the defender, initiate contact, dive. Even straight up kick the defender on the ground (AND looking the other way) in the head with their knee....
and it is a penalty!

Unless the Liverpool staff and board take this up directly with whoever actually runs the EPL, it will go on.
And if Liverpool FC do not, then I dont see why we should be bothered?

I d rather watch some other sport.

Every club has divers. I was critical of Mane and Salah not going to ground when they have been pulled back etc but today and more recently they are going down with the slightest of touches and it was not a pen and we don't get those decsions. I think people moan at Kane etc is because when it happens to them its a pen. I think since VAR has come in players seem to be diving more under slight contact. It doesn't help when they are given as a pen as it encourages them to dive. I am one of these people that sees most fouls in box look odd in the way players fall.

[ChrisLFCKOP]

Another week, shame old shite.

Its been like this for years but we been so good it hasn't mattered. Had enough of all this, I cannot see my family, I cannot go the football and
I have to watch the media claim nothing is wrong.

[CraigDS]

does anyone have any theories as to why Manchester-born Chris Kavanagh appears to have an agenda against us?

I’ve genuinely no idea why Manchester-born Kavanagh could have an agenda. I’m not sure if Manchester-born Kananagh is just a shit ref, or if Manchester-born Kavanagh is bent.

[BoRed]

Every time I thought nothing could possibly top it, they managed to come up with something. Right now, I can't see anything ever topping a player's shadow playing someone onside, but give it a few weeks and I'm sure we'll find ourselves at the wrong end of an even worse decision.

I can't believe I thought it would take a few weeks.