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« on: March 17, 2022, 12:04:06 pm »
Apologies for the thread necromancy (after almost a year!), but I remembered the title of this thread and thought it may be perfect for the news that P&O Ferries have suspended services temporarily, ahead of a major announcement later today.



Funnily enough we were just looking at a summer car jaunt to Europe last night. Now the options might be limited even further.
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Re: P&O
« Reply #1 on: March 17, 2022, 12:39:18 pm »
Apologies for the thread necromancy (after almost a year!), but I remembered the title of this thread and thought it may be perfect for the news that P&O Ferries have suspended services temporarily, ahead of a major announcement later today.



Funnily enough we were just looking at a summer car jaunt to Europe last night. Now the options might be limited even further.

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Re: P&O
« Reply #2 on: March 17, 2022, 12:54:10 pm »
Guardian reporting they have sacked all crew across entire fleet.  :o

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« Reply #3 on: March 17, 2022, 12:55:47 pm »
Limits the options for my annual jaunt from Cairnryan to Larne somewhat!

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« Reply #4 on: March 17, 2022, 12:56:06 pm »
Fire and re-hire. Reminder that the Tories voted against new law which would have prevented companies from doing this.

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« Reply #5 on: March 17, 2022, 12:56:09 pm »
Bloody hell. Has Chris grayling been told?
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« Reply #6 on: March 17, 2022, 12:56:42 pm »
And more importantly , how will Chelsea get to euro aways now?
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« Reply #7 on: March 17, 2022, 12:58:41 pm »
Bloody hell. Has Chris grayling been told?

He’s advised the public not to panic, he’s laying on a bus replacement service.

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« Reply #8 on: March 17, 2022, 01:00:42 pm »
Fire and re-hire. Reminder that the Tories voted against new law which would have prevented companies from doing this.
Always seem to be the Tories behind every misfortune in this country at the moment. Still won't stop the simpletons from voting them in, yay Brexit and all that.

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« Reply #9 on: March 17, 2022, 01:24:10 pm »
Guardian reporting they have sacked all crew across entire fleet.  :o

All 800. Apparently the crews are still on the ships.

Replacement crews were waiting on buses to replace them. There's a word for that I think.
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« Reply #10 on: March 17, 2022, 01:49:30 pm »
Absolute c*nts. 800 people now on the dole  :no
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« Reply #11 on: March 17, 2022, 02:49:22 pm »
All 800. Apparently the crews are still on the ships.

Replacement crews were waiting on buses to replace them. There's a word for that I think.

Foreign crews - mostly from sweatshop countries in Asia, apparently.

P&O are owned by DP World (they bought it in 2019), who are in turn owned by the Dubai dictatorship.

DP World announced in 2021 that in the preceding accounting period they made a profit of $475m. Now they are bleating that P&O (as an individual company) made losses in during the pandemic years, so this move is 'necessary' for the company's survival.

Utter bollocks.

It's pure greed by a bunch of thieving, multi-billionaire dictators.

But hey, that's capitalism.

And another example of the UK flogging off its silver to pay the rent (ie, our balance of payments deficit is consistently enormous, as we've outsourced our manufacturing function to China and other low-labour cost - ie, sweatshop - economies, and rely on foreign money - often dirty money - to buy up our companies and real estate)

The Tory scum will make the right noises to keep the flagshagging fuckwits onside, but will never implement the sort of labour protection laws that the French - for example - enjoy (but which that right-wing, Thatcherite twat Macron is removing), which would protect workers from this sort of predatory
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« Reply #12 on: March 17, 2022, 03:11:32 pm »
Absolute c*nts. 800 people now on the dole  :no
800 people in what was already one of the most deprived parts of the country.

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Re: P&O
« Reply #13 on: March 17, 2022, 04:37:18 pm »
Dubai company.
Johnson was meeting with the Dubai ruler to discuss oil prices. Anyone think he gave the go ahead to this?

Personally I think the crews should open the sea cocks, smash the pumps and sink the fleet. Because no matter what happens this shower of crooks in government won’t get them their jobs back. They have enabled this despicable act
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« Reply #14 on: March 17, 2022, 04:45:11 pm »
The government will give them 4 weeks then they'll have to go and pick mushrooms for a Tory farmer.

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« Reply #15 on: March 17, 2022, 04:48:30 pm »
Guardian reporting they have sacked all crew across entire fleet.  :o

I'm wondering if the way they did it is legal under UK employment law.
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« Reply #16 on: March 17, 2022, 04:49:09 pm »
800 people in what was already one of the most deprived parts of the country.

They have ports/routes all over the UK, not just Dover. Not that it makes it any better.

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« Reply #17 on: March 17, 2022, 04:58:23 pm »
Fire and re-hire. Reminder that the Tories voted against new law which would have prevented companies from doing this.

Needs to be highlighted by the opposition parties, otherwise people wont know

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« Reply #18 on: March 17, 2022, 05:17:31 pm »
Disgraceful action by P&O

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« Reply #19 on: March 17, 2022, 05:27:13 pm »
This is what the corporate Tory donors want. Low wage economy with no protections for workers. Bring in cheap Asian labour (cheap EU workers were too expensive and were getting protected by those pesky EU types).

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« Reply #20 on: March 17, 2022, 06:31:53 pm »
Well I hope no-one uses these c*nts ever again, absolutely disgusting. No surprise at all that Dubai are behind it. Their friends in Abu Dhabi are also well-versed in corruption and under-handed tactics to get ahead.

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Re: P&O
« Reply #21 on: March 18, 2022, 09:15:57 am »
I though you couldn't be made redundant if your job still exists?

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« Reply #22 on: March 18, 2022, 09:28:54 am »
I though you couldn't be made redundant if your job still exists?

Brexit benefit I guess and its hardly like modern day slavers from the gold plated desert turd called Dubai care about your workers rights anyway.

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« Reply #23 on: March 18, 2022, 10:06:36 am »

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The Daily Express is FURIOUS that @POferries sacked British staff, but couldn't fire any of their French workers because they are protected by EU employment laws.

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« Reply #24 on: March 18, 2022, 10:13:00 am »
As Incorrigible reminds us, a de-regulated labour market where workers have few rights is exactly what many of these scumbag 'entrepreneurs' would dearly love to see. This is tax-rat James Dyson's personal vision:


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Businesses like Dyson backed Brexit precisely because they expected to be able to fire at will once the UK left the EU

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« Reply #25 on: March 18, 2022, 12:23:14 pm »
So P&O have pulled a right incendiary Capitalist cracker out of the hat here eh? Violated every reasonable Industrial Relations  consultation etiquette in the book - having not too long ago begged for - and been given - £10 millions of our tax payments to "assist" them. It's a wonder that their CEO isn't dragged before the courts or indeed Parliament for this disgraceful behaviour.
 
Parliament MUST pass emergency legislation that reverses this outrage - specifically in cases where there's been ZERO consultation!! Fire and re-hire with cheap imported agency staffs? Fuck off!! This hasn't just "happened" ! P&O MUST have been at this underhanded shite behind closed doors for many many weeks before their cringeworthy and bloody cowardly big video announcement!! Never trust a Tory!! They'll shake your hand blue eyed and smiling - then stab you with the other! How low has our country sunk FFS?
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« Reply #26 on: March 18, 2022, 12:25:28 pm »
Check out the Carillion thread a bit below this one.

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« Reply #27 on: March 18, 2022, 12:34:40 pm »
The timing of this announcement tells you the attitude of the P&O bosses.
Lets get rid of them all now and get some cheap workers in, hardly anyone will notice with this Ukraine war going on, few minutes tv coverage and that will be it.
They got that badly wrong. bosses need sacking more than the workers, incompetent d/heads, anyone can chop wages, it takes skill to run a profitable company paying a decent wage in decent working conditions.
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« Reply #28 on: March 18, 2022, 01:11:40 pm »
The timing of this announcement tells you the attitude of the P&O bosses.
Lets get rid of them all now and get some cheap workers in, hardly anyone will notice with this Ukraine war going on, few minutes tv coverage and that will be it.
They got that badly wrong. bosses need sacking more than the workers, incompetent d/heads, anyone can chop wages, it takes skill to run a profitable company paying a decent wage in decent working conditions.

It's like something out of the 19th century - or a Jack London novel.

The government should nationalise P&O without any compensation and then hand over the running of the line to the workers.
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« Reply #29 on: March 18, 2022, 01:28:51 pm »
It's like something out of the 19th century - or a Jack London novel.

The government should nationalise P&O without any compensation and then hand over the running of the line to the workers.
This is what really annoyed me about the Thatcher period. all these Hatchet men brought in to chop the work force etc being praised as  good bosses who knew how to run a business.
Ive mentioned this before but it's a very important point that's stayed with me for decades. Henry Ford was a horrible man so not praising him for his personal beliefs but he did understand what it took to make his company profitable. the same applied to the US. how could he expect the man in the street to be able to afford to buy a luxery item like a car if they could hardly afford to pay the rent and food for his family. he doubled the average US wage for Ford workers. other companies followed, the standard of living for US workers shot up so did company profits.
That lesson still hasn't sunk in for many. cheap workers results in less money to spend. luxery items suffer first. before long all companies suffer.
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Re: P & 0
« Reply #30 on: March 18, 2022, 01:30:32 pm »
So P&O have pulled a right incendiary Capitalist cracker out of the hat here eh? Violated every reasonable Industrial Relations  consultation etiquette in the book - having not too long ago begged for - and been given - £10 millions of our tax payments to "assist" them. It's a wonder that their CEO isn't dragged before the courts or indeed Parliament for this disgraceful behaviour.
 
Parliament MUST pass emergency legislation that reverses this outrage - specifically in cases where there's been ZERO consultation!! Fire and re-hire with cheap imported agency staffs? Fuck off!! This hasn't just "happened" ! P&O MUST have been at this underhanded shite behind closed doors for many many weeks before their cringeworthy and bloody cowardly big video announcement!! Never trust a Tory!! They'll shake your hand blue eyed and smiling - then stab you with the other! How low has our country sunk FFS?

Lets not forget Johnson instructed his MPs in October to vote against a law preventing fire and rehire schemes.
This needs shouting from the rooftops to remind the knuckle-draggers exactly what Johnson is.

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Re: P & 0
« Reply #31 on: March 18, 2022, 01:31:26 pm »
So P&O have pulled a right incendiary Capitalist cracker out of the hat here eh? Violated every reasonable Industrial Relations  consultation etiquette in the book - having not too long ago begged for - and been given - £10 millions of our tax payments to "assist" them. It's a wonder that their CEO isn't dragged before the courts or indeed Parliament for this disgraceful behaviour.
 
Parliament MUST pass emergency legislation that reverses this outrage - specifically in cases where there's been ZERO consultation!! Fire and re-hire with cheap imported agency staffs? Fuck off!! This hasn't just "happened" ! P&O MUST have been at this underhanded shite behind closed doors for many many weeks before their cringeworthy and bloody cowardly big video announcement!! Never trust a Tory!! They'll shake your hand blue eyed and smiling - then stab you with the other! How low has our country sunk FFS?

Part of the Brexit bonus. Bit ironic people in South Coast ports losing their jobs as that part of the country was Brexit Central.

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« Reply #32 on: March 18, 2022, 02:04:21 pm »
Some interesting elements to this. Technically it's not fire and rehire (if anything its arguably worse with the shunting it off to an agency and sidesteppign the need to offer stuff like sickness, holiday pay etc).

There is a legal requirement to notify the Business Secretary when you propose to make more than 100 redudancies.

I don't think there's an answer to the following question: Did a) they tell the Business Secretary, meaning they knew or b) decide not to bother and just to take the fine and reputational damage.

It does seem baffling they've not bothered with the statutory consultation period - the same outcome with some due process would've had less reputational damage. I guess ultimately they know people will use them for freight as its basically a monopoly. The c*nt who released that video is a disgrace. Be very interested to see who gives them their employment advice...

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« Reply #33 on: March 18, 2022, 02:13:15 pm »
Some interesting elements to this. Technically it's not fire and rehire (if anything its arguably worse with the shunting it off to an agency and sidesteppign the need to offer stuff like sickness, holiday pay etc).

There is a legal requirement to notify the Business Secretary when you propose to make more than 100 redudancies.

I don't think there's an answer to the following question: Did a) they tell the Business Secretary, meaning they knew or b) decide not to bother and just to take the fine and reputational damage.

It does seem baffling they've not bothered with the statutory consultation period - the same outcome with some due process would've had less reputational damage. I guess ultimately they know people will use them for freight as its basically a monopoly. The c*nt who released that video is a disgrace. Be very interested to see who gives them their employment advice...

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« Reply #34 on: March 18, 2022, 03:03:38 pm »
Part of the Brexit bonus. Bit ironic people in South Coast ports losing their jobs as that part of the country was Brexit Central.

And yet people down here haven't added two and two together just yet. If anything, they're trying to find other means and ways to find excuses without mentioning the ginormous, verminous shit in the room.
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« Reply #35 on: March 18, 2022, 03:10:44 pm »


Hah, so the companies are required to tell the business secretary, but it is "standard practice" to keep it hush hush amd do fuck all about it.
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Re: P & 0
« Reply #36 on: March 18, 2022, 03:11:33 pm »
The government should nationalise P&O without any compensation and then hand over the running of the line to the workers.

My thoughts too.

First off, tell everyone to go back to their job on the government dime (to be regenerated later) until they clear the backup of goods wasting on the docks.
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Re: P & 0
« Reply #37 on: March 18, 2022, 06:01:24 pm »
So P&O have pulled a right incendiary Capitalist cracker out of the hat here eh? Violated every reasonable Industrial Relations  consultation etiquette in the book - having not too long ago begged for - and been given - £10 millions of our tax payments to "assist" them. It's a wonder that their CEO isn't dragged before the courts or indeed Parliament for this disgraceful behaviour.
 
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I think he may be yet, as their actions are considered unlawful. Utter disgrace what they've done and it should be challenged.

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« Reply #38 on: March 18, 2022, 06:15:39 pm »
It's alright everyone. The government have sent a strongly worded letter to P&O Chairman....

Only problem is they sent the letter to the P&O Chairman who resigned last year

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Re: P & 0
« Reply #39 on: March 18, 2022, 06:21:38 pm »
It's an industry that's about as unionised as they come

It's a dangerous game