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Re: The Gym
« Reply #240 on: January 17, 2022, 04:09:19 pm »
The bands question is quite timely, been having back and hip pain (too much sitting while WFH), and the physio mentioned today I should look into band stretching exercises. Can anyone recommend some good resistance bands and/or a decent training regime to build up back strength?
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Re: The Gym
« Reply #241 on: January 17, 2022, 04:45:18 pm »
Depends on your goals really.

I don't think I'd really advise resistance band training only, unless you are just looking to do some simple exercises to tone up / improve mobility. Otherwise, I think they are more useful to supplement wider training programs. They are hard to master, difficult to overload with, difficult to progress with, and difficult to measure improvements with.

So my answer would be weights, but why not both!

Not looking to start something yet but just looking to build some muscle and core rather than build too much.

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Re: The Gym
« Reply #242 on: January 17, 2022, 11:21:55 pm »
you cant beat deadlifts and low bar squats to build up strength in your core and hips. get coaching from a strength coach who knows what they are doing though.


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Re: The Gym
« Reply #243 on: January 18, 2022, 02:52:26 pm »
Want to build my upper body a bit, I play football and really just lack a bit of strength there.

Was gonna get a pull up bar, like this one - https://www.decathlon.co.uk/p/lockable-pull-up-bar-100-cm/_/R-p-325843

Would something like that be good for a range of exercises?

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Re: The Gym
« Reply #244 on: January 18, 2022, 08:04:57 pm »
Want to build my upper body a bit, I play football and really just lack a bit of strength there.

Was gonna get a pull up bar, like this one - https://www.decathlon.co.uk/p/lockable-pull-up-bar-100-cm/_/R-p-325843

Would something like that be good for a range of exercises?

Pull up bars are great although they can test your joints. Not really useful for a "range of exercises" though as you're pretty much limited to pull up variations and leg raises. 

Most of the strength needed for football comes from your core (which is why smaller guys can be hella strong on the ball). Look to do plank variations as well as other ab exercises.
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Re: The Gym
« Reply #245 on: January 18, 2022, 10:02:44 pm »
Got myself back in the gym tonight. Wow it was still chocka block at 8pm. New yearsers
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Re: The Gym
« Reply #246 on: January 19, 2022, 07:35:39 am »
Want to build my upper body a bit, I play football and really just lack a bit of strength there.

Was gonna get a pull up bar, like this one - https://www.decathlon.co.uk/p/lockable-pull-up-bar-100-cm/_/R-p-325843

Would something like that be good for a range of exercises?
I'd highly recommend gymnastic rings, you only need somewhere sturdy to hang them and you're ready to go. They're easier on the joints than pull up bars and more flexible in the types of exercises you can do.
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I’ve plenty links to the clubs playing and backroom staff as many on here know thank you very much. Fair enough, I admire your optimism. But you’re absolute ostriches if you think this squad, even with 2 or 3 new, “cut price” players with potential get us anywhere close

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Re: The Gym
« Reply #247 on: January 19, 2022, 07:41:45 am »
Not looking to start something yet but just looking to build some muscle and core rather than build too much.
Assuming you're not an "enhanced" female, you don't really have to worry about building "too much muscle". Physiologically it's very rare to find a CIS woman who can build large amounts of muscle quickly. You can train heavy weights with no worries of turning into the Hulk.
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Re: The Gym
« Reply #248 on: January 20, 2022, 05:18:15 pm »
What are the best exercises for core

Also need to build up my grip strength (fore arms)
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Re: The Gym
« Reply #249 on: January 20, 2022, 05:49:53 pm »
What are the best exercises for core

Also need to build up my grip strength (fore arms)

Planks, leg raises, crunches (done properly).

What is your grip strength letting you down on?
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Re: The Gym
« Reply #250 on: January 20, 2022, 05:59:23 pm »


What is your grip strength letting you down on?

Rock climbing
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Re: The Gym
« Reply #251 on: January 20, 2022, 07:28:28 pm »
Rock climbing

Ah right. Can't help you there as I have no experience of it, and I've never really directly worked my forearms! You can do wrist curls, or maybe overhand deadlifts with no straps.
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Re: The Gym
« Reply #252 on: January 21, 2022, 06:56:34 am »
What are the best exercises for core

Also need to build up my grip strength (fore arms)
Farmers carries. Go both hands at the same time for grip strength and then more core focused would be single hand carries. Your core strength for rock climbing needs to be dynamic, so crunches etc are not optimal. Hanging bar raises and L-sits are excellent.
I’ve plenty links to the clubs playing and backroom staff as many on here know thank you very much. Fair enough, I admire your optimism. But you’re absolute ostriches if you think this squad, even with 2 or 3 new, “cut price” players with potential get us anywhere close

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Re: The Gym
« Reply #253 on: January 21, 2022, 05:00:26 pm »
Farmers carries. Go both hands at the same time for grip strength and then more core focused would be single hand carries. Your core strength for rock climbing needs to be dynamic, so crunches etc are not optimal. Hanging bar raises and L-sits are excellent.

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Re: The Gym
« Reply #254 on: January 22, 2022, 05:12:38 pm »
I'd highly recommend gymnastic rings, you only need somewhere sturdy to hang them and you're ready to go. They're easier on the joints than pull up bars and more flexible in the types of exercises you can do.
https://www.amazon.co.uk/BeMaxx-Fitness-Olympic-Attachment-Training/dp/B01LX08N45/ref=sr_1_7?keywords=gymnastic%2Brings&qid=1642577517&sprefix=gymnast%2Caps%2C249&sr=8-7&th=1
Hell yes. Got some rings over lockdown, I swear by them now. Weighted ring dips might just be my favourite exercise ever, and I think they've really helped sort a shoulder issue I've had for years (think it was caused by benching initially, though couldn't swear to it). Such a good bit of kit.

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Re: The Gym
« Reply #255 on: January 22, 2022, 07:56:24 pm »
Hell yes. Got some rings over lockdown, I swear by them now. Weighted ring dips might just be my favourite exercise ever, and I think they've really helped sort a shoulder issue I've had for years (think it was caused by benching initially, though couldn't swear to it). Such a good bit of kit.
Yeah absolutely, one of the best pieces of equipment I bought. However it utterly humbled me initially, I could barely do a bodyweight dip on the rings.
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Re: The Gym
« Reply #256 on: May 27, 2022, 03:44:49 pm »
Been back doing Gym work for the past two weeks, to top up my cycling and running.

Did a Biological age analysis today  says I have an age of 43, well pleased with that seeing as I'm 61.

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Re: The Gym
« Reply #257 on: July 12, 2022, 10:57:00 am »
Better to lift heavy with low reps or lift light with high reps to lose weight? Stupid question I know but I've always went for the lift heavy option but a couple of articles I've came across mention the low weight/high rep style.

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Re: The Gym
« Reply #258 on: July 12, 2022, 04:16:15 pm »
Better to lift heavy with low reps or lift light with high reps to lose weight? Stupid question I know but I've always went for the lift heavy option but a couple of articles I've came across mention the low weight/high rep style.

You'll likely burn more calories with high reps, which I guess should be the ultimate goal if you're trying to lose weight. However, if you prefer doing low reps then carry on as it won't make a huge difference if your diet is in check.
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Re: The Gym
« Reply #259 on: August 25, 2022, 10:53:16 am »
Anyone had much experience of the SkiErg Nordic Sking machine?  I had a steady 6 minutes on it as a warm up before I did some weights down the gym yesterday.

I've been reading its the new favourite piece of torture equipment PT's like to use.

Good article on it here and I think its gonna be a game changer for me going forward.

https://www.coachmag.co.uk/cardio-workouts/7626/six-skierg-workouts-to-make-you-lovehate-this-effective-cardio-machine

I'm gonna give it a serious blast on my next gym visit tomorrow. Starting with this particular exercise to round off my weights session.

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It’s the gold standard in sprinting. You’ll go faster if you’re heavier – World’s Strongest Man Eddie Hall did it in 13.1 seconds – but good technique will take you a long way. Think big pulls, bent knees, full body.

Why? All-out bursts of anaerobic effort will improve recruitment of your fast-twitch fibres as well as burning fat – ideal if you’re aiming to carve yourself into shape. Do six 100s, with 90-second rests, trying to keep your speed consistent
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Re: The Gym
« Reply #260 on: August 25, 2022, 01:04:42 pm »
Yeah… I use the above sometimes!

My gym classes involve us all wearing our HR monitors (myZone) and see our efforts on the big screens at all times. I notice when I use the ski machines it gets my heart rate increasing at a faster rate than the rowing machine or bike or cross trainer. When I want to get my HR going through the zones I head to this or the treadmill.

I notice a lot of people will run on the spot/jog on spot as they pull down on the handles.

EDIT: You do feel it physically on the arms too. So if I am doing an arm/upper body exercise in the class I do tend to avoid it and focus on another instead. Our classes involve half of the class on the floor and the other half on the machines and then switching back and forth.

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Re: The Gym
« Reply #261 on: August 25, 2022, 03:21:04 pm »
EDIT: You do feel it physically on the arms too. So if I am doing an arm/upper body exercise in the class I do tend to avoid it and focus on another instead. Our classes involve half of the class on the floor and the other half on the machines and then switching back and forth.

Yeah you do, so I'm doing chest and back tomorrow before hitting SkiErg at the end.

What resistance level you have it set to Ciara?

I think it only goes between 1-10.  I had it on 10 and while it wasn't exactly immovable it obviously takes its toll much quicker.

Just been reading that if you're planning on doing sprints have the resistance level between 5-8.

I like the idea of using it for a 4-minute Tabata HIIT session.  20 seconds sprint then 10 seconds rest x 8 rounds

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Re: The Gym
« Reply #262 on: August 25, 2022, 03:32:49 pm »
Yeah you do, so I'm doing chest and back tomorrow before hitting SkiErg at the end.

What resistance level you have it set to Ciara?

I think it only goes between 1-10.  I had it on 10 and while it wasn't exactly immovable it obviously takes its toll much quicker.

Just been reading that if you're planning on doing sprints have the resistance level between 5-8.

I like the idea of using it for a 4-minute Tabata HIIT session.  20 seconds sprint then 10 seconds rest x 8 rounds

It's normally set at 10 as default and I don't change that.

We do 45 seconds on, 15 seconds rest I believe. 4 rounds of that before changing to the next exercise on the floor. Or we do 90 seconds on, 45 second rest and repeat once before switching to resistance/power exercises on the mat.

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Re: The Gym
« Reply #263 on: August 30, 2022, 09:31:28 pm »
Does anyone know of a good routine for press ups and pull ups? I want something I can stick to as a routine daily (or every other day). I might be naive but if I tested what my max reps for both are couldn’t there be a way to then structure a routine based on that?

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Re: The Gym
« Reply #264 on: August 31, 2022, 02:20:32 pm »
Does anyone know of a good routine for press ups and pull ups? I want something I can stick to as a routine daily (or every other day). I might be naive but if I tested what my max reps for both are couldn’t there be a way to then structure a routine based on that?

You could do something like this - but a word of caution on daily pull-ups, I'd vary the grip at least once or twice in the week to avoid the risk of elbow tendonitis flaring up from overuse.

Monday - Friday:
- Every morning, 3 sets of max rep push-ups to 1-2 reps short of failure (2 min rest between sets)
- At some point in the day, chinups/pullups:

Mon - 5 sets of max reps
Tues - Half your maximum reps in one set and do sets of that to failure with short rest periods (e.g. 30-60 seconds)
Weds - 5x5 of weighted pull-ups
Thurs - Ascending ladder - 30 seconds rest - x1, 2, 3, 4, 5, etc until you can't get the reps
Fri - Same as Mon

Sat and Sun off.


I'd defo recommend prioritising a neutral grip instead of overhand or underhand to save your elbows.
And if you've got something you can use for a neutral grip on push-ups too it will save your wrists.

Also would just caution that I wouldn't do a really intense or high volume weights routine on top of this!
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Re: The Gym
« Reply #265 on: August 31, 2022, 02:23:48 pm »
Better to lift heavy with low reps or lift light with high reps to lose weight? Stupid question I know but I've always went for the lift heavy option but a couple of articles I've came across mention the low weight/high rep style.

Why either extreme? If you're unsure, do most of your big compound lifts in the 6-8 rep range (heavy enough) and do isolation moves in a slightly higher rep range (10-15).

If you'[re targeting fat loss then definitely consider full-body circuits or supersets/grouped exercises as these will rip through fat by keeping your heartrate high :)

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Re: The Gym
« Reply #266 on: August 31, 2022, 02:26:22 pm »
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Re: The Gym
« Reply #267 on: August 31, 2022, 05:20:06 pm »
You could do something like this - but a word of caution on daily pull-ups, I'd vary the grip at least once or twice in the week to avoid the risk of elbow tendonitis flaring up from overuse.

Monday - Friday:
- Every morning, 3 sets of max rep push-ups to 1-2 reps short of failure (2 min rest between sets)
- At some point in the day, chinups/pullups:

Mon - 5 sets of max reps
Tues - Half your maximum reps in one set and do sets of that to failure with short rest periods (e.g. 30-60 seconds)
Weds - 5x5 of weighted pull-ups
Thurs - Ascending ladder - 30 seconds rest - x1, 2, 3, 4, 5, etc until you can't get the reps
Fri - Same as Mon

Sat and Sun off.


I'd defo recommend prioritising a neutral grip instead of overhand or underhand to save your elbows.
And if you've got something you can use for a neutral grip on push-ups too it will save your wrists.

Also would just caution that I wouldn't do a really intense or high volume weights routine on top of this!
Very helpful stuff, thanks.

I'm using a pull up bar that fits in my door frame, so I can't really use a neutral grip. I'm wondering if I should be taking extra care in terms of warming up etc?

I don't plan on doing any other weight work though.

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Re: The Gym
« Reply #268 on: September 1, 2022, 12:14:58 pm »
Very helpful stuff, thanks.

I'm using a pull up bar that fits in my door frame, so I can't really use a neutral grip. I'm wondering if I should be taking extra care in terms of warming up etc?

I don't plan on doing any other weight work though.

I suggest doing some days overhand and some days underhand in that case. Be careful adding weight if you're doing it at home - I don't want to be responsible for your busted doorframe :D

Warming up your wrists by stretching them in different directions will help :)

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Re: The Gym
« Reply #269 on: October 6, 2022, 10:20:58 am »
Any buff RAWKites ever tried the Zottman curl?

I recommend it to mix up your Bicep curl sets.  Get a great pump on both bicep and brachioradialis/brachialis.

Start the exercise like you would a regular dumbbell bicep curl.  When you complete the concentric part of the curl, rotate your wrists into a pronated position (palms facing the floor). Then slowly lower the load downwards until your arms are extended.  I suppose its just half regular curl and half reverse curl.

I'm going to make this a regular introduction to my routine until I have forearms like Popeye!! :)


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Re: The Gym
« Reply #270 on: October 6, 2022, 10:52:15 pm »
I find I struggle with the exercise that includes pushing weights out with my arms. Any tips?

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Re: The Gym
« Reply #271 on: October 7, 2022, 03:14:54 pm »
I find I struggle with the exercise that includes pushing weights out with my arms. Any tips?
Do you mean a bench press?
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Re: The Gym
« Reply #272 on: October 7, 2022, 06:19:14 pm »
Do you mean a bench press?

I think he maybe means Push exercises in general rather than Pull exercises

I am a bit like this too.  My DB shoulder press is rubbish.  My left side is way behind my right.  Been doing sets solely on the left side last few sessions.

Much prefer pull days myself

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Re: The Gym
« Reply #273 on: October 7, 2022, 06:56:22 pm »
I think he maybe means Push exercises in general rather than Pull exercises

I am a bit like this too.  My DB shoulder press is rubbish.  My left side is way behind my right.  Been doing sets solely on the left side last few sessions.

Much prefer pull days myself
Yeah that's it. Leg days and pull is much easier.

3 months in and I haven't really improved on the push exercises like the shoulder press as well.

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Re: The Gym
« Reply #274 on: October 7, 2022, 08:36:54 pm »
Yeah that's it. Leg days and pull is much easier.

3 months in and I haven't really improved on the push exercises like the shoulder press as well.

With the bench press, try changing your elbow position slightly, try bringing them a tiny bit closer to your trunk rather than making a sort of perfect 90 degree angle.

And with dumbell press, rotate the dumbells a bit by turning your wrist,

Tiny little adjustments like those can make a big difference in the exercise.

Give them a try with lighter weights than normal and see if you get a better feel of the muscle contraction in the intended area.
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Re: The Gym
« Reply #275 on: October 9, 2022, 03:44:08 pm »
With the bench press, try changing your elbow position slightly, try bringing them a tiny bit closer to your trunk rather than making a sort of perfect 90 degree angle.

And with dumbell press, rotate the dumbells a bit by turning your wrist,

Tiny little adjustments like those can make a big difference in the exercise.

Give them a try with lighter weights than normal and see if you get a better feel of the muscle contraction in the intended area.
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Re: The Gym
« Reply #276 on: October 17, 2022, 05:35:09 pm »
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Curious to know what's your ratio of weights you train with for a dumbbell overhead triceps extension compared to say a DB bicep curl or a DB hammer curl. 

This isn't a dick (or boob) swinging contest question.  I am just a bit in the dark to what sort of weight is average for a DB triceps exercise.

Also, do you use the same weight for a DB overhead triceps extension as you do for say, the DB Triceps kickback.

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Re: The Gym
« Reply #277 on: October 17, 2022, 07:14:02 pm »
Guys

Curious to know what's your ratio of weights you train with for a dumbbell overhead triceps extension compared to say a DB bicep curl or a DB hammer curl. 

This isn't a dick (or boob) swinging contest question.  I am just a bit in the dark to what sort of weight is average for a DB triceps exercise.

Also, do you use the same weight for a DB overhead triceps extension as you do for say, the DB Triceps kickback.

cheers

Wouldn't relate it to anything other than the contraction you feel.

Overhead extensions are pretty risky not only from dropping the weight onto your head bonce, but the shoulders are in a vulnerable position as well.

I'd take them light and focus on a good, solid contraction with a full range of motion.

Other, better, ways to go heavy on triceps, in my opinion, like close-grip bench, for example...

Feels like kickbacks take the shoulder out of it, which means you'll likely use less weight than you would with anything overhead which uses the delts to stabilize.
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Re: The Gym
« Reply #278 on: October 18, 2022, 12:34:37 am »
Cheers AFCT good advice mate.  I'm always second guessing myself as to whether I'm going either too light or too heavy.

Tonight, I did 4x12 solid single arm overhead triceps extensions using 5kg DB's.  Got a nice contraction.  Could maybe go up another couple of K's with less reps but happy with 5kg for a few weeks at least.

Its a new all seated, unilateral programme I'm trying.  Was all dumbbells tonight

Cuban Press
Hammer curls
Single arm Overhead Triceps extensions
Single arm dumbbell rows

Really enjoyed it and really feel it now which is a good thing.

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Re: The Gym
« Reply #279 on: October 18, 2022, 10:18:54 pm »
Got another week off from gym. Injured my damn ankle and can barely walk.