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Re: The Fall
« Reply #120 on: August 14, 2008, 08:54:58 am »
Rob Gretton to Ian Curtis in 'Control'.

'Cheer up, it could be worse...you could be the lead singer of The Fall.'

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Re: The Fall
« Reply #121 on: August 14, 2008, 09:33:13 am »
he got all the best lines in that film.
"That £20? Yeah, it's in my fuck off pocket."
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Re: The Fall
« Reply #122 on: August 14, 2008, 09:36:22 am »
he got all the best lines in that film.
"That £20? Yeah, it's in my fuck off pocket."
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Loved that one. Pretty good film overall, I thought. I was hoping they'd get someone to 'be' MES but nothing doing.

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Re: The Fall
« Reply #123 on: August 19, 2008, 04:32:18 pm »
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Re: The Fall
« Reply #124 on: August 19, 2008, 04:51:04 pm »
MES taken to task by... yes, you guessed it.

Andi Peters.

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=LQrGhKYa9Ig&feature=related

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Re: The Fall
« Reply #125 on: August 19, 2008, 10:47:37 pm »
How dare you assume I wanna parlez-vous with you.

The Fall with Coldcut - Telephone Thing


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Re: The Fall
« Reply #126 on: August 20, 2008, 04:51:54 pm »
I'm on holiday next week.

Today I have purchase a little light reading...

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Re: The Fall
« Reply #127 on: August 20, 2008, 04:55:58 pm »
A joyful read Mal.
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Re: The Fall
« Reply #128 on: August 21, 2008, 09:59:44 am »
I'm on holiday next week.

Today I have purchase a little light reading...



I'll have a lend of that when you're done. :wave

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Re: The Fall
« Reply #129 on: August 29, 2008, 10:36:17 am »
The Mark E Smith book has quite a few laugh out moments so be careful where you read it. I really enjoyed the bit where he compares "Alan Shearer and Michael Owen as looking like Policemen" The man is a genius he also took a look at a pic of a typical indie band whilst being interviewed by the press and said something along the lines of "What the hell would we do if we had a war now"

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Re: The Fall
« Reply #130 on: August 30, 2008, 12:10:32 am »
I know there are some Fall fans on here, so any recommendations on the essential albums/tracks or just a pointer to the best place to start... suggestions appreciated  :wave

Slags & Slates EP
Lie Dream Of A Casino Soul

A great man once said to me that Mark E Smith is our Bob Dylan

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Re: The Fall
« Reply #131 on: August 31, 2008, 07:49:44 pm »
A great man once said to me that Mark E Smith is our Bob Dylan

Was that me?  :P


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Re: The Fall
« Reply #132 on: September 5, 2008, 02:33:59 am »
Slags & Slates EP
Lie Dream Of A Casino Soul

A great man once said to me that Mark E Smith is our Bob Dylan


excellent suggestions!

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Re: The Fall
« Reply #133 on: September 6, 2008, 02:59:51 pm »
I'll have a lend of that when you're done. :wave

That would be illegal don't you know   :o

The book is an incredible read; words off the page as though he was reading it to you.

He's a funny bugger though, interesting take on what's right & wrong in life & lots of people who I'd thought he would like that he clearly despises. Like anyone younger than 35, including a whole host of mancunian rock/pop-tarts.
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Re: The Fall
« Reply #134 on: September 6, 2008, 05:14:09 pm »
Been meaning to text you Mal - found my phone some weeks back and there's a few of yours in there - so I'm 'alive' again!  :wave


Another book:

The Fallen: Searching for the Missing Members of the Fall by Dave Simpson



Marked men
Tibor Fischer on the appeal of a band gripped by permanent revolution

    * Tibor Fischer
    * The Guardian,
    * Saturday September 6 2008
    * Article history

The Fall are the cult bands' cult band, and indeed, as Dave Simpson demonstrates, are quite close to being an honest-to-God cult, but for one important difference. In real cults, they do everything to keep you in, but in the Fall, leader Mark E Smith does everything to kick the musicians out, using a showbiz equivalent of permanent revolution.

The Fall are known for three things: they're not really a group, but rather the ego of Mark E Smith and whoever can put up with him for a few years, a few months, a few weeks or even a few hours; they have produced a multitude of albums; and they have an absurdly high turnover of personnel - band members have been assaulted, fired repeatedly or even abandoned on some foreign shore by Smith out of pique or simply for a laugh.

Smith is a unicum. He is kin to those oddballs on talent shows who can't sing, can't dance, can't play an instrument, look terrible and who are only included to be ridiculed by the judges. However, because the doors of the music business were blown wide open by the Sex Pistols in 1976, he and the other unaccomplished musicians of the Fall's original line-up got a chance. And that was all he needed.

On the back of extraordinary willpower and belligerence, he has created (with some help from the passing musicians) some of the best and quirkiest British music of the past three decades. Most of those he hires are, to put it politely, not virtuoso musicians, and part of the Fall's fascination is how the newcomers are "moulded" by Smith to get the best out of them. Many serve gloriously in the Fall, but when they leave, they go back to being undistinguished.

It is hard to write about music; Elvis Costello's famous quip that it's like "dancing about architecture" holds a lot of truth. Nevertheless, something about the energy and soap-opera antics of the Fall attracts writers. Smith's own recently published autobiography Renegade has covered a lot of this ground (although in a magnificently jaundiced manner). The Fallen started off as a newspaper article in the Guardian, and it shows. Undoubtedly, Simpson has bent over backwards to track down former members of the Fall (indeed the hunt itself becomes as much a part of the story as the quarry). However, there are also general digressions on music. There are many episodes from Simpson's own life (Nick Hornby has a lot to answer for in creating the autobiography via fandom). There are pictures. There are lots of descriptions of going to hotels, bars and cafés; there are reviews of Fall albums; there is repetition (an in-joke for Fall fans?). What Simpson does well is to conjure up the appeal and power of the band, who have barely had a hit record, but have nevertheless lurked significantly in the music business for more than 30 years and have many high-placed devotees.

Simpson's first problem was deciding how to define a "Fallen". Live performance is chosen as the qualification, so "This rules out Adrian Niman, who played saxophone for 15 seconds on the Room to Live album in 1982, but includes Stuart Estell who 'joined' the Fall from the audience for an encore in Leicester in 1989."

The two central figures in the book are Smith (to whom Simpson attributes almost seer-like powers) and Karl Burns, one of the longest-serving drummers, a man so rock'n'roll that he allegedly went on a two-month tour of America with only one pair of underpants. Burns is the most disappeared of the Fallen, and the way Simpson liberally peppers the text with references to the mysterious Burns, you anticipate a payoff at the end.

In the final pages, in Rossendale, Simpson finds not Burns, but a sheep. I can't make up my mind whether I admire the bluff or not. I certainly admire Simpson's industry, but this is very much a book for Fall obsessives. It's a pity, because if the book had been half the length it would have had far greater power, and been a poignant reflection of how you, too, might find yourself in Dortmund, clutching a bass guitar, about to go on stage with the Fall.

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Re: The Fall
« Reply #135 on: September 9, 2008, 04:59:58 pm »
Rob :wave - am in Northampton on thursday afternoon (after 3pm), if you've still found your phone...

Anyway, we could drink the long draught.

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Check the guys track record.
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Re: The Fall
« Reply #136 on: September 11, 2008, 04:41:18 pm »
They're on tour (again!) soon:

6 Sep West Coast Festival of New Music, Stavanger, Norway.
9 Sep Hennessey Spiegeltent, Dublin Fringe Festival.
10 Oct Lemon Tree, Aberdeen. Tickets from Ticketline (0844 8889991), Lemon Tree box office, Tickets Scotland and Ticketweb. With John Cooper Clarke and Milophobia.
12 Oct Queens Hall, Edinburgh. Tickets from Ticketline (0844 8889991), Queens Hall box office, Tickets Scotland and Ticketweb. £18 plus booking fees. With John Cooper Clarke and Milophobia.
31 Oct Hackney Empire, 291 Mare Street, London E8 1EJ. SEATED SHOW. Special guest: John Cooper Clarke; support band Bobbie Peru. Ticketline (0844 8889991). Ticket info see below.
1 Nov Hackney Empire, 291 Mare Street, London E8 1EJ. SEATED SHOW. Special guest: James Blood Ulmer; support band Bobbie Peru. Ticketline (0844 8889991). Ticket info see below.
2 Nov Hove Centre at Hove Town Hall, Norton Road, Hove BN3 4AH. Ticketline (0844 8889991). Special guest: James Blood Ulmer; support band Bobbie Peru.
5 Nov The Brook, Southampton. Confirmed according to Alan but it's not listed on Ticketline or the Brook's site.
13 Nov The Duchess, York. Moved up from the 27th. Date confirmed according to Alan but it's not listed on Ticketline or the Duchess's site.
Nov Blackpool: venue and date TBC. Possibly at the Tower Ballroom. Will probably be the 14th or 15th
Nov Futurist, Scarborough. Will probably be the 15th or 16th.
29 Nov The Picturedrome, Holmfirth. Ticketline (0844 8889991)

The Hackney Empire shows on 31 October & 1 November are special seated shows. Alan Wise says they will feature a different set and The Fall will be onstage at 10pm. Special guests will do 45-minute sets.

Tickets will be reserved seats and sell for £20 each night or £30 for both, plus booking fee if buying from ticketing agencies. Available from the venue, Ticketline (0844 8889991) and Alan Wise will be selling tickets directly with no booking fee -- just send a self addressed envelope and cheque to: Alan Wise, 26 Lockett Gdns, Trinity, Salford M36BJ.

Other ticket agencies will have allocations, but the best seats will be sold by the venue, Alan Wise, and Ticketline. Alan also comments: "A theatre is dearer to use than a club as it doesnt rely on its bar. But sightlines and sound are much better, and though you CAN stand here, a seat is a welcome relief for the "Michael Miles". There is a bar and cafeteria and people can come and go. You have to keep your trousers on!"

These shows have been confirmed by MES and further November shows will follow.

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Re: The Fall
« Reply #137 on: September 16, 2008, 01:53:52 pm »
Forgot to add - they are now playing Nation in Liverpool on Thu 30 Oct. Can't wait - seen them 14 times before, but never in Liverpool :-D

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Re: The Fall
« Reply #138 on: September 16, 2008, 05:14:12 pm »
Anyone interested in the Hackney Empire shows? Mrs Xabi no longer will go with me after being dragged along to many a Fall gig. I will be going regardless
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Re: The Fall
« Reply #139 on: September 16, 2008, 10:01:02 pm »
Anyone interested in the Hackney Empire shows? Mrs Xabi no longer will go with me after being dragged along to many a Fall gig. I will be going regardless

It's sitting down otherwise I'd be up for it. You should be able to stand at a gig.

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Re: The Fall
« Reply #140 on: September 17, 2008, 03:43:14 pm »
Sat down watching Echo & The Bunnymen last night at the Royal Albert Hall, was a good gig but it did feel odd in a seat.
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Re: The Fall
« Reply #141 on: October 30, 2008, 11:20:56 am »
Playing nation tonight, anyone going?
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Re: The Fall
« Reply #142 on: October 30, 2008, 02:32:21 pm »
I'll be there tonight. Might have a spare ticket too - though I've no idea if it's sold out (not much of a sales pitch I know...)

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Re: The Fall
« Reply #143 on: October 31, 2008, 10:20:50 am »
Not at their best last night, but a band I always enjoy seeing. And getting drunk while doing so...

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Re: The Fall
« Reply #144 on: November 1, 2008, 06:24:37 pm »
first time I have seen them live, was interesting enough but not great.
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Re: The Fall
« Reply #145 on: November 2, 2008, 12:58:11 am »
terrible terrible band
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Re: The Fall
« Reply #146 on: November 2, 2008, 02:35:16 pm »
terrible terrible band

Better than the La's sunshine.
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Re: The Fall
« Reply #147 on: November 3, 2008, 05:41:24 pm »
Better than the La's sunshine.

oh dear  ::)
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Re: The Fall
« Reply #148 on: November 3, 2008, 06:35:15 pm »
You wanna be careful mate, this thread didnae sticky itself y'know
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Re: The Fall
« Reply #149 on: November 4, 2008, 02:22:39 pm »
You wanna be careful mate, this thread didnae sticky itself y'know

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Re: The Fall
« Reply #150 on: November 4, 2008, 02:55:04 pm »
oh dear  ::)

Can someone check this guy's track record.
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Re: The Fall
« Reply #151 on: November 4, 2008, 03:20:19 pm »
Can someone check this guy's track record.


Check the record. Check the guys track record ;)
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Re: The Fall
« Reply #152 on: November 4, 2008, 04:31:37 pm »
haha!
its just an opinion but i can see you are offended by it and you have shown that by doing what you have done - can we move on now please ? ?
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Re: The Fall
« Reply #153 on: November 4, 2008, 05:58:31 pm »
Not really offended - just abusing my powers ;)
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Re: The Fall
« Reply #154 on: November 4, 2008, 06:19:30 pm »
Not really offended - just abusing my powers ;)

 ;D not much i can say to that really ,
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Re: The Fall
« Reply #155 on: November 5, 2008, 03:15:59 pm »
Not really offended - just abusing my powers ;)

To great effect again, shelovesyouyehyehyeh obviously did not learn from the mistakes of those that went before (see Timbo's Goals).

And was duly punished, although I'd have left it as Dead Beat Descendent given the chance to abuse any powers.
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Re: The Fall
« Reply #156 on: November 5, 2008, 03:29:02 pm »
To great effect again, shelovesyouyehyehyeh obviously did not learn from the mistakes of those that went before (see Timbo's Goals).

And was duly punished, although I'd have left it as Dead Beat Descendent given the chance to abuse any powers.

I was gripped by an atypical spirit of generosity and agreed to his plea for a change.  He's got to tread these boards with care though, the original is only a mouse click away.
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Re: The Fall
« Reply #157 on: November 7, 2008, 02:14:14 pm »
I'm on holiday next week.

Today I have purchase a little light reading...



Not "going to Spain" are ya ;)

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Re: The Fall
« Reply #158 on: December 10, 2008, 08:36:50 pm »
The Fall are featured playing live tonight on From The Basement on Sky Arts (ch. 256) at 22:05.
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Re: The Fall
« Reply #159 on: December 12, 2008, 10:56:10 pm »
The Fall are featured playing live tonight on From The Basement on Sky Arts (ch. 256) at 22:05.

Brilliant that, as were My Morning Jacket, who my mate recommended to me some time ago.

That programme followed Born To Boogie ( T.Rex in concert ) so it was a great couple of hours T.V for me !
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