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Re: Breakaway Super League... The Times
« Reply #160 on: April 18, 2021, 04:04:30 pm »
Football was finished the moment VAR was introduced anyway and the way the refs have been in this country I couldn’t give a shit. Be glad to be rid of the premier league and its bullshit to be honest
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Re: Breakaway Super League... The Times
« Reply #161 on: April 18, 2021, 04:04:57 pm »
I can't speak for everyone, but no, I wouldn't want that. What I do want is those owners not to have an advantage anymore. Which is what this competition will enforce. In theory at least.

Are you that naive? You just want us to have the advantage instead, we will have our owner as vice chairman and not be able to be relegated, that’s an advantage in itself, plus according to the proposal being a founding club get a bigger piece of the pie regardless of what happens in the league.

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Re: Breakaway Super League... The Times
« Reply #162 on: April 18, 2021, 04:05:20 pm »
Genuinely surprised that Reds on here aren’t looking at teams like Arsenal and Spurs involving themselves in this nonsense and not thinking “Hmm yeah, maybe it’s not the best idea”. Everton have won more league titles combined than City and Tottenham - we may as well get them involved as well.

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Re: Breakaway Super League... The Times
« Reply #163 on: April 18, 2021, 04:05:34 pm »
How many of you will actually, be effected - Your season ticket price goes up?, your travel to the aways? Or is it just what you think we should be like?

Just interested so I know if its in the pocket and family time thats effected, or just an idealistic view.   
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Re: Breakaway Super League... The Times
« Reply #164 on: April 18, 2021, 04:06:05 pm »
I don't think it entirely is but it's still not a closed shop is it? We still qualified to be in those competitions based on our performance from the previous season.

And do you not care what this will do to domestic football?

Is it going to be that much different from the new expanded CL format being put forward tomorrow?

European football has evolved(for the worse) over the years and will continue to do so. The European Cup is no longer about winning your domestic league. It's looking now like it will evolve to not having to finish at least 4th to qualify. I'm sure it will continue to evolve and i do hope it won't do too much damage to domestic football which the change from European Cup to Champions League has done.
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Re: Breakaway Super League... The Times
« Reply #165 on: April 18, 2021, 04:07:09 pm »
Genuinely surprised that Reds on here aren’t looking at teams like Arsenal and Spurs involving themselves in this nonsense and not thinking “Hmm yeah, maybe it’s not the best idea”. Everton have won more league titles combined than City and Tottenham - we may as well get them involved as well.

Plenty have said it's a shit idea, what do you want people to do exactly?

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Re: Breakaway Super League... The Times
« Reply #166 on: April 18, 2021, 04:07:22 pm »
If you don't mind, I'm going to wait until we hear what Al thinks, and then think the opposite.
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Re: Breakaway Super League... The Times
« Reply #167 on: April 18, 2021, 04:07:39 pm »
John W Henry will be one of 4 Vice Chairman's of the ESL.

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Re: Breakaway Super League... The Times
« Reply #168 on: April 18, 2021, 04:08:16 pm »
Are you that naive? You just want us to have the advantage instead, we will have our owner as vice chairman and not be able to be relegated, that’s an advantage in itself, plus according to the proposal being a founding club get a bigger piece of the pie regardless of what happens in the league.

Fuck yeah I want us to have the advantage, I'm a Liverpool fan. Shocking, right?

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Re: Breakaway Super League... The Times
« Reply #169 on: April 18, 2021, 04:08:37 pm »
I’m all for this. Be arsed watching us play Burnley away on a Monday night. There will be some uproar initially but it’ll die down after a couple of years.

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« Reply #170 on: April 18, 2021, 04:08:41 pm »
Will be disgusted if City and PSG are involved.

Delighted with this otherwise.
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Re: Breakaway Super League... The Times
« Reply #171 on: April 18, 2021, 04:09:01 pm »
If you don't mind, I'm going to wait until we hear what Al thinks, and then think the opposite.

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Re: Breakaway Super League... The Times
« Reply #172 on: April 18, 2021, 04:09:02 pm »
Plenty have said it's a shit idea, what do you want people to do exactly?

I’d like them to read the proposals then have a good think and come to a considered view ......

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Re: Breakaway Super League... The Times
« Reply #173 on: April 18, 2021, 04:09:05 pm »
Fuck yeah I want us to have the advantage, I'm a Liverpool fan. Shocking, right?

Life isn't fair, get over it.

Hmm maybe I’m just too socialist for all this...

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Re: Breakaway Super League... The Times
« Reply #174 on: April 18, 2021, 04:09:25 pm »
I've been dramatically falling out of love with football for the last few years, and this was bound to happen, it seems every year or two something else happens which just pushes away fans.

I find it funny that clubs with oil money like PSG and City are against this, because they don't actually need the extra money - and that's what this is, a money grab with no regard to tradition or fan interests.
Pretty happy with Arse taking it.

Disappointing.
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Re: Breakaway Super League... The Times
« Reply #176 on: April 18, 2021, 04:09:51 pm »
How many of you will be actually, be effected - Your season ticket price goes up?, your travel to the aways? Or is it just what you think we should be like?

Just interested so I know if its in the pocket and family time thats effected, or just an idealistic view.
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Re: Breakaway Super League... The Times
« Reply #177 on: April 18, 2021, 04:10:33 pm »
Hmm maybe I’m just too socialist for all this...

Do you honestly think it's a fair competition now though?
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Re: Breakaway Super League... The Times
« Reply #178 on: April 18, 2021, 04:10:33 pm »
How many of you will actually, be effected - Your season ticket price goes up?, your travel to the aways? Or is it just what you think we should be like?

Just interested so I know if its in the pocket and family time thats effected, or just an idealistic view.

For me it’s the idealistic view and the fact I love the European cup as it is. I actually think the current format is perfect and prefer it to W straight knock out as it used to be (I was never around for when it was but I did see us win the uefa cup in that format.)

I’m not absolutely dead against and can see the arguments for it, but it will be a sad day that we wave goodbye to the European cup I think.

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Re: Breakaway Super League... The Times
« Reply #179 on: April 18, 2021, 04:10:44 pm »
Plenty have said it's a shit idea, what do you want people to do exactly?

Not sure what your point is here because some are clearly in favour it and they’re who I’m referring to.

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Re: Breakaway Super League... The Times
« Reply #180 on: April 18, 2021, 04:12:24 pm »
Do you honestly think it's a fair competition now though?

I'm not the guy you're responding to, but...

the CL drastically needs a revamp, it has done for years, but this is going the opposite way to how it should be changing.
Pretty happy with Arse taking it.

Disappointing.
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Re: Breakaway Super League... The Times
« Reply #181 on: April 18, 2021, 04:12:58 pm »
Football was finished the moment VAR was introduced anyway and the way the refs have been in this country I couldn’t give a shit. Be glad to be rid of the premier league and its bullshit to be honest

Premier League will still be here just hopefully nobody will give a shit about it.

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Re: Breakaway Super League... The Times
« Reply #182 on: April 18, 2021, 04:13:23 pm »
I'm not the guy you're responding to, but...

the CL drastically needs a revamp, it has done for years, but this is going the opposite way to how it should be changing.

Out of curiosity, how would you change it?
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Re: Breakaway Super League... The Times
« Reply #183 on: April 18, 2021, 04:13:35 pm »
What are you babbling on about

This is a monumental change to the way football is in Europe, I  whichever way you consume it. People are allowed to feel strongly about it

Babbling on about the likes of you with your supposed this is what is best for LFC/Football attitude. If you think I or the club, gives a fuck abar a set of english clubs, that certainly don't give a fuck about LFC -  then you're a bigger fool than you sound.
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Re: Breakaway Super League... The Times
« Reply #184 on: April 18, 2021, 04:16:32 pm »
Will be disgusted if City and PSG are involved.

Depends what financial rules will be in place and what financial scrutiny they'll come under. Given the clubs that have apparently led on it, I can't imagine that there won't be something in place to limit them.
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Re: Breakaway Super League... The Times
« Reply #185 on: April 18, 2021, 04:16:36 pm »
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-9484141/FIVE-Premier-League-teams-sign-European-Super-League-snub-UEFA.html

This story is moving so fast. Henry one of a few vice chairmen

This is hilarious. Were they “defending the integrity and prospects of the league” when they allowed City and Chelsea to be bought by oil barons?

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Re: Breakaway Super League... The Times
« Reply #186 on: April 18, 2021, 04:16:51 pm »
So, we could finish 15th but still 'qualify' for Europe's premier competition ? What about sides like Leicester ? What about the lower league clubs ?

This is fucking awful and I genuinely worry about fans that think otherwise.

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« Reply #187 on: April 18, 2021, 04:17:13 pm »
Delighted with this. Bye bye City and fcuk off you utterly corrupt and biased premier league refs, pundits and officials. I hope Gary Neville has a total meltdown later  :wave
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« Reply #188 on: April 18, 2021, 04:18:13 pm »
Depends what financial rules will be in place and what financial scrutiny they'll come under. Given the clubs that have apparently led on it, I can't imagine that there won't be something in place to limit them.

I mean ... this is the thing - they’re included now and can do what they want
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« Reply #189 on: April 18, 2021, 04:18:22 pm »
UEFA have been corrupt shithouses for a long while and have brought this on themselves.

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Re: Breakaway Super League... The Times
« Reply #190 on: April 18, 2021, 04:18:39 pm »
So, we could finish 15th but still 'qualify' for Europe's premier competition ?

You can do that already by winning the Europa League.
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Re: Breakaway Super League... The Times
« Reply #191 on: April 18, 2021, 04:19:12 pm »
If you really want to blame a person for all of this blame Agnelli. That fucker has been pushing for this latest version of the Super League for the best part of a decade.

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« Reply #192 on: April 18, 2021, 04:19:15 pm »
So, we could finish 15th but still 'qualify' for Europe's premier competition ? What about sides like Leicester ? What about the lower league clubs ?

This is fucking awful and I genuinely worry about fans that think otherwise.

Things are fast moving but I think I there will eventually be promotion and relegation, just not for the "founder clubs" for a set number of years
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« Reply #193 on: April 18, 2021, 04:19:19 pm »
I think you are intelligent.

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Re: Breakaway Super League... The Times
« Reply #194 on: April 18, 2021, 04:20:42 pm »
Not bothered one bit about this. At this point - greed has been established as the dominating motivator, so let’s play that game. UEFA, FIFA and FA have been terrible custodians of the game and have repeatedly put money and themselves ahead of clubs and players. So fuck them, fuck their competitions and fuck their referees.

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Re: Breakaway Super League... The Times
« Reply #195 on: April 18, 2021, 04:20:59 pm »
This is hilarious. Were they “defending the integrity and prospects of the league” when they allowed City and Chelsea to be bought by oil barons?

Doubtless UEFA will be going on in much the same way if the rumours about them having a press conference tonight is true. I can't wait to hear from those bunch of idiots.  ::)
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« Reply #196 on: April 18, 2021, 04:21:28 pm »
You need to innovate constantly,  work to the future.  It's only complete though when it's backed up by results.  The second part is often missed on the fb quotes. 

When you watch football as a fan,  what you pay for is the experience.  Football adapted,  tried to improve with VAR.  It's at a lower level now,  in terms of the experience. 

The issue some of us have with this isn't just based on some Corinthian code of conduct.  It's logic. What you sell,  is the experience.  If the competition is such that all teams start from a similar level and the best competitor wins,  that's the best sell. Now,  in reality,  some clubs will have structural advantages due to size,  fanbase etc,  that's still ok. What the likes of City,  PSG have done, breaking rules,  is a problem to this spectacle. Yet it still was a competition,  in Europe

You create a country club with 15 teams out of 20 as permanent members, it's not a competition.  You lower the experience, the sell,  the potential income.

Now I would wager that in their analysis,  the owners of these clubs see a large market for fans who will consistently pay to watch matches between the 'top'  clubs.  Maybe they're right,  I haven't done an exhaustive assessment of this.  By my reading of it,  over time,  fans will lose interest in the experience especially if you keep VAR in its current form.

The beauty of this sort of thing,  you can put it to the test,  no need for too much talk, we'll see how it goes.


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Re: Breakaway Super League... The Times
« Reply #197 on: April 18, 2021, 04:21:39 pm »
Hilarious people talking about the corruption and/or incompetence of UEFA as we drift towards a super league with match fixing supremos Juve and Real fucking Madrid. Dress it how you want, it's a cash grab. The game is run badly at top levels but this isn't about that.

Our club being involved is very sad.

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« Reply #198 on: April 18, 2021, 04:21:49 pm »
For me it’s the idealistic view and the fact I love the European cup as it is. I actually think the current format is perfect and prefer it to W straight knock out as it used to be (I was never around for when it was but I did see us win the uefa cup in that format.)

I’m not absolutely dead against and can see the arguments for it, but it will be a sad day that we wave goodbye to the European cup I think.

Fair shout and I think there will be pro's and cons, but personally I'd be more inclined to go and watch, or people pay to watch, Us versus a Madrid or a Juventus, than say a Fulham or a Burnley and I'd hazard a guess that as a selling product, world wide, others would.

This whole thing is no shock, this, like it or lump it, is the natural progression. Whether we approve or not, this, or a guise of this current proposal is coming soon.
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Re: Breakaway Super League... The Times
« Reply #199 on: April 18, 2021, 04:21:52 pm »
There will be no premier league if we join the super league also.