Topic: Never mind 'Stop the Boats' - STOP THE TORIES

[PatriotScouser]

on Andy Burnham you can go right off someone!!!

Proportional representation would be the end of the Labour Party.

Where would people like myself go? To the Corbynite left party of the useless social democrat-Lib Demmy party? No thanks. Some of us are Labour.

[thaddeus]

on Andy Burnham you can go right off someone!!!

Proportional representation would be the end of the Labour Party.

Where would people like myself go? To the Corbynite left party of the useless social democrat-Lib Demmy party? No thanks. Some of us are Labour.

You'd just vote Labour.  There's no reason PR should be damaging for the Labour Party and certainly not to the extent of the party ceasing to exist.

The differences are that your vote will always count in the national totting up (Good!) but you may end up in an area that votes in a Labour MP but is lumbered with an MP from another party (Bad!).  Of course you could also end up in an area that voted something other than Labour but still gets a Labour MP (Good - although not for those who voted for the majority candidate!).

[Jiminy Cricket]

on Andy Burnham you can go right off someone!!!

Proportional representation would be the end of the Labour Party.

Where would people like myself go? To the Corbynite left party of the useless social democrat-Lib Demmy party? No thanks. Some of us are Labour.

So. You'd like to replace this majority government voted in by a minority of the population with another majority government voted in by a different minority of the population.

[Elmo!]

Where would people like myself go?

This is such a bizarre response to something that would give people a lot more genuine choice on who to vote for than the existing setup.

[oldfordie]

You'd just vote Labour.  There's no reason PR should be damaging for the Labour Party and certainly not to the extent of the party ceasing to exist.

The differences are that your vote will always count in the national totting up (Good!) but you may end up in an area that votes in a Labour MP but is lumbered with an MP from another party (Bad!).  Of course you could also end up in an area that voted something other than Labour but still gets a Labour MP (Good - although not for those who voted for the majority candidate!).

I think you have to accept there's no perfect system. there are downsides  and upsides to FPTP. the same applies to PR. I would hope the PR supporters don't just plough ahead arguing for PR then being stuck with it when all the problems start to arrive decades later. be too late then.
The whole argument people are making for PR right now is to stop future extreme right governments like this government from ever holding a serious majority.
That means there will never be a Tory majority government in power to pass right wing Tory policy's into law and that's a good thing without doubt but if people believe this then they have to accept it must mean the end of any Labour majority government ever taking power to pass policy's we think will improve society etc.
There are other problems and they need to be acknowledged as well but I think this argument of PR being nothing to fear for the Labour party can't be right.
If people want to accept PR will damage the chances of a Majority Labour government and I know some do then that's fine at least we know the positives and the negatives rather than just pushing it through.

[thaddeus]

I think you have to accept there's no perfect system. there are downsides  and upsides to FPTP. the same applies to PR. I would hope the PR supporters don't just plough ahead arguing for PR then being stuck with it when all the problems start to arrive decades later. be too late then.
The whole argument people are making for PR right now is to stop future extreme right governments like this government from ever holding a serious majority.
That means there will never be a Tory majority government in power to pass right wing Tory policy's into law and that's a good thing without doubt but if people believe this then they have to accept it must mean the end of any Labour majority government ever taking power to pass policy's we think will improve society etc.
There are other problems and they need to be acknowledged as well but I think this argument of PR being nothing to fear for the Labour party can't be right.
If people want to accept PR will damage the chances of a Majority Labour government and I know some do then that's fine at least we know the positives and the negatives rather than just pushing it through.

All fair points but we've only had one majority Labour government in most of our lifetimes and that was characterised by being a smidge to the left of centre (and right of centre on some issues).  I'm not sure there's any voting system that would see a left leaning Labour gain a majority anytime soon for many reasons.

I think PR could be a boon for Labour if they used it as an opportunity to return to being the party of workers and bang that drum as loudly as possible.  At the moment it all feels a bit half-hearted and apologetic for fear of upsetting the wavering conservatives they're also trying to woo.  Leave the Lib Dems to fight the Tories on that middle ground - something that Labour can't do at the moment as realistically they need a good share of those votes.

Corbyn for all his faults did get 40% and 32% of the vote share in 2017 and 2019 respectively.  Even the 2019 GE would have led to a Labour-led coalition in all likelihood with the Lib Dems, SNP and the Greens (combined 50.3% of votes!).

[Kenny's Jacket]

on Andy Burnham you can go right off someone!!!

Proportional representation would be the end of the Labour Party.

Where would people like myself go? To the Corbynite left party of the useless social democrat-Lib Demmy party? No thanks. Some of us are Labour.

Its great you think the current Labour party gives you a political home.  For many its made them homeless.

Others have addressed your issue with PR.

[PaulF]

Labour majority government ever taking power to pass policy's we think will improve society etc.
There are other problems and they need to be acknowledged as well but I think this argument of PR being nothing to fear for the Labour party can't be right.

Assuming PR means, minority labour. I think some of the more socialist ideas may still make law as it will be mainly Lib Dems and Greens making up the rest and I don't think they would necessarily be fundamentally opposed to 'good' policies.

[oldfordie]

All fair points but we've only had one majority Labour government in most of our lifetimes and that was characterised by being a smidge to the left of centre (and right of centre on some issues).  I'm not sure there's any voting system that would see a left leaning Labour gain a majority anytime soon for many reasons.

I think PR could be a boon for Labour if they used it as an opportunity to return to being the party of workers and bang that drum as loudly as possible.  At the moment it all feels a bit half-hearted and apologetic for fear of upsetting the wavering conservatives they're also trying to woo.  Leave the Lib Dems to fight the Tories on that middle ground - something that Labour can't do at the moment as realistically they need a good share of those votes.

Corbyn for all his faults did get 40% and 32% of the vote share in 2017 and 2019 respectively.  Even the 2019 GE would have led to a Labour-led coalition in all likelihood with the Lib Dems, SNP and the Greens (combined 50.3% of votes!).

I would be covering old ground going to deep. the Lib Dems are Labours temporary allies right now and to be honest I find the likely hood of a far left led Labour party forming a coalition/alliance with the Lib Dems very unlikely.
We all have to reconsider our views over time especially when we are given good reason. if Scotland gains independence then Labour loose a bigger my enemies enemy allies than the Lib Dems. we may end with even more Tory majority governments once Scotland are gone which might actually mean another reason to support PR.
I think we have to blame the system that allows politicians to lie repeatedly without fear of any serious consequences to win those massive majority's rather than change the voting system to stop them.

[PatriotScouser]

Its great you think the current Labour party gives you a political home.  For many its made them homeless.

Others have addressed your issue with PR.

If you look at my post history you'll see my feelings on the Party, I'm mindful derailing this thread.

But my last point on PR. Lib Dems are much more closely aligned with one-nation tories than they'll ever be with Labour. Once the tories get a one-nation leader back again, Lib Dems will have no problems entering a coalition or a confidence and supply with them. Maybe not in the next GE. But certainly when the dust settles and if we had PR, then in the next decade or so in the 2030s and beyond, if the tories get back to a one-nation leader ala Cameron or Major then Lib Dems would have no problems aligning with them.

I want a Labour Govt. With Labour policies which won't be watered down by compromising with other parties in a PR system. FPTP for me is the best system to get that.

[Kenny's Jacket]

If you look at my post history you'll see my feelings on the Party, I'm mindful derailing this thread.

But my last point on PR. Lib Dems are much more closely aligned with one-nation tories than they'll ever be with Labour. Once the tories get a one-nation leader back again, Lib Dems will have no problems entering a coalition or a confidence and supply with them. Maybe not in the next GE. But certainly when the dust settles and if we had PR, then in the next decade or so in the 2030s and beyond, if the tories get back to a one-nation leader ala Cameron or Major then Lib Dems would have no problems aligning with them.

I want a Labour Govt. With Labour policies which won't be watered down by compromising with other parties in a PR system. FPTP for me is the best system to get that.

Well based on the rhetoric from the Shadow Cabinet, that wont be happening. 

[west_london_red]

If you look at my post history you'll see my feelings on the Party, I'm mindful derailing this thread.

But my last point on PR. Lib Dems are much more closely aligned with one-nation tories than they'll ever be with Labour. Once the tories get a one-nation leader back again, Lib Dems will have no problems entering a coalition or a confidence and supply with them. Maybe not in the next GE. But certainly when the dust settles and if we had PR, then in the next decade or so in the 2030s and beyond, if the tories get back to a one-nation leader ala Cameron or Major then Lib Dems would have no problems aligning with them.

I want a Labour Govt. With Labour policies which won't be watered down by compromising with other parties in a PR system. FPTP for me is the best system to get that.

100% with this myself. And in our current political make up there would be a permanent Lib Dem presence in government, it will always be Lib Lab or Con Dem pretty much all the time and I can’t say that’s an idea I like.

[oldfordie]

Assuming PR means, minority labour. I think some of the more socialist ideas may still make law as it will be mainly Lib Dems and Greens making up the rest and I don't think they would necessarily be fundamentally opposed to 'good' policies.

Good policy's, it's always the other side of the coin, good policys to you or me may mean bad policy's to another party.
I don't think any of us know what the make up of PR Paliament would be, there are too many unknowns which always makes me think we should be careful of what we wish for, I guarantee though if PR came in say 2029 then Frottage would be over the moon, he would be straight out forming some sh.. stirring party to stand in the election and he would win millions of votes, I wouldn't even guess how many seats his party would win, could be 3-5 but could be 10+, Parliaments bad enough now without these clowns staging political stunts every week. taking it in turns to get thrown out by the speaker, asking questions for dramatics then all walking out in protest.

[shy_talk]

John Major - blood scandal - "bad luck"

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-61929986

This tit coughing up this takes some front, especially in light of his "defending the indefensible" speech not so long ago.

[shy_talk]

Good policy's, it's always the other side of the coin, good policys to you or me may mean bad policy's to another party.
I don't think any of us know what the make up of PR Paliament would be, there are too many unknowns which always makes me think we should be careful of what we wish for, I guarantee though if PR came in say 2029 then Frottage would be over the moon, he would be straight out forming some sh.. stirring party to stand in the election and he would win millions of votes, I wouldn't even guess how many seats his party would win, could be 3-5 but could be 10+, Parliaments bad enough now without these clowns staging political stunts every week. taking it in turns to get thrown out by the speaker, asking questions for dramatics then all walking out in protest.

Not to worry, the Scots are off and the Welsh will surely follow. Little Englanders will have their little England, there'll be trouble then when the tories have a smaller pool of victims to crap all over.

[oldfordie]

Not to worry, the Scots are off and the Welsh will surely follow. Little Englanders will have their little England, there'll be trouble then when the tories have a smaller pool of victims to crap all over.

Can't see a Scottish protocol to over come a border being too popular either, chants of build a wall more like 

[Kenny's Jacket]

Not to worry, the Scots are off and the Welsh will surely follow. Little Englanders will have their little England, there'll be trouble then when the tories have a smaller pool of victims to crap all over.

Im not sure about Wales, were not as confident/deluded as the Scots.  We also voted for Brexit, so there hasnt been a pro EU inspired push for Independence.

[Nobby Reserve]

Can't see a Scottish protocol to over come a border being too popular either, chants of build a wall more like 

It's half-built already

[oldfordie]

It's half-built already

Ironic as well, that wall was built to keep the Scottish out of England. we can hardly shout it's disgusting when the Scotch bring in a few Brickies to finish it off.

[Elmo!]

It's half-built already

We're taking Northumbria with us.

[y2w902]

I saw it here, I think it’s from the print version

https://www.thepoke.co.uk/2022/06/27/this-times-graphic-about-boris-johnsons-popularity-had-people-bellowing-into-their-breakfast/

Thanks for that, someone else was asking me for it.

[PatriotScouser]

If you look at my post history you'll see my feelings on the Party, I'm mindful derailing this thread.

But my last point on PR. Lib Dems are much more closely aligned with one-nation tories than they'll ever be with Labour. Once the tories get a one-nation leader back again, Lib Dems will have no problems entering a coalition or a confidence and supply with them. Maybe not in the next GE. But certainly when the dust settles and if we had PR, then in the next decade or so in the 2030s and beyond, if the tories get back to a one-nation leader ala Cameron or Major then Lib Dems would have no problems aligning with them.

I want a Labour Govt. With Labour policies which won't be watered down by compromising with other parties in a PR system. FPTP for me is the best system to get that.

My final, final point on this - I promise 

This is a clip from *and I spit* GB News but my friend Richard Johnson was discussing this very thing and just reiterates what I was saying but in a more detailed way.

https://twitter.com/GBNEWS/status/1541354009738547200

[ToneLa]

ok can we get back to hating the Tories now plz they fucked my life up I want them out by any means necessary they cost lives I hold them directly responsible for so much

https://www.politico.eu/article/electoral-defeats-leave-boris-johnson-treading-water/

[Commie Bobbie]

This pain and suffering is just getting started, protests and marches rarely occur in the bleak midwinter.

I suspect the Tory Party Conference could be lively.

[ShakaHislop]

NEW: Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson’s bid to unilaterally override parts of Northern Ireland’s Brexit deal clears its first Commons hurdle after MPs backed it 295 to 221, majority 74.

https://twitter.com/PippaCrerar/status/1541532084782628865

Not a single Tory voted against (they abstained at most)

https://votes.parliament.uk/Votes/Commons/Division/1325#noes

[Andy @ Allerton!]

I mentioned this in a humerous thread, but what I've never understood is how some thick monied bastard from a rich family goes into Politics and is clearly as fucking stupid as they come can then get appointed to run a Government office like the MoJ or the NHS or whatever with ABSOLUTELY NO LIFE OR BUSINESS OR DEPARTMENT OR WORKING KNOWLEDGE OR SKILLS.

I used to do work for the UK Government in the past and the inbred Tory dickhead that 'ran it' was a clueless fucker with the intelligence of a brain-damaged ant. All he did was syphon off the money to their mates and spouses and fuck the department and the country. It's still fucked today and this damage this dickhead did will be here for a very, very long time.

I don't get it. Why is this allowed to happen?

I think there should be a law where before a Minister 'takes control' of a department, they must, by law, work in that department at a junior level and be shown how it works, what it does and how to run it.

[Scottymuser]

https://twitter.com/PippaCrerar/status/1541532084782628865

Not a single Tory voted against (they abstained at most)

https://votes.parliament.uk/Votes/Commons/Division/1325#noes

Why did 36 members of the Labour Party abstain - a far higher % than the Tories who abstained?  That to me is just as worrying - we know the Tory Central Office is doing everything they can to whip their members behind BoJo just because the "optics" of him losing (or being close) any vote (especially one on Brexit) - the Lavour Party to then have more abstains over such a crucial piece of Brexit-related regulation shows they are not really unanimously behind their leader, or unanimously even against the Tories.  Also shows they are still, fundamentally, soft on the economy and Brexit, 2 things that will lose them votes. 

[Sangria]

Why did 36 members of the Labour Party abstain - a far higher % than the Tories who abstained?  That to me is just as worrying - we know the Tory Central Office is doing everything they can to whip their members behind BoJo just because the "optics" of him losing (or being close) any vote (especially one on Brexit) - the Lavour Party to then have more abstains over such a crucial piece of Brexit-related regulation shows they are not really unanimously behind their leader, or unanimously even against the Tories.  Also shows they are still, fundamentally, soft on the economy and Brexit, 2 things that will lose them votes. 

how many abstention were done on exchange? Also, what are normal numbers for exchanges? 36 seems a bit high to me.

[Nobby Reserve]

I don't get it. Why is this allowed to happen?

There's a weird psychological trait with many British people to have a forelock-tugging deferrence for the 'upper classes'

[ToneLa]

I think there should be a law where before a Minister 'takes control' of a department, they must, by law, work in that department at a junior level and be shown how it works, what it does and how to run it.

I'd even settle for something experienced and merit based. You know, like every other job in existence.

The Secretary of State for Health - who has also been a (by definition failed) Home Secretary and Chancellor, studied Politics and Economics and ran a bank.

Are we supposed, then, to think he is the best candidate for running the health service? And by extension, was also the best candidate for the Home Office and Chancellor and any other position he may take? What about reshuffles?

There is zero Meritocracy. More importantly, this is why the Tories run our country like a fucked shop

They're all businesspeople. The health service, our beloved NHS, I have no doubt required serious financial management and a savvy attitude to such. But the compassion too, the human side. The experience. The interest.

Every role in the cabinet is essentially devalued. Nobody is there on merit. And I suppose you can extend that to politics as a whole. Meritocracy doesn't exist.

[Nobby Reserve]

https://twitter.com/PippaCrerar/status/1541532084782628865

Not a single Tory voted against (they abstained at most)

https://votes.parliament.uk/Votes/Commons/Division/1325#noes

Marina Purkiss
@MarinaPurkiss

Up stands Theresa May…

Gives some big ballsy speech about how wrong and damaging the NI protocol bill is

…then shits her pants and doesn’t vote against it

https://twitter.com/MarinaPurkiss/status/1541692438233976833

[[new username under construction]]

Marina Purkiss
@MarinaPurkiss

Up stands Theresa May…

Gives some big ballsy speech about how wrong and damaging the NI protocol bill is

…then shits her pants and doesn’t vote against it

https://twitter.com/MarinaPurkiss/status/1541692438233976833

Getting more and more like American politicians every day, mouth off about the wrongs and then do nothing about it

[thaddeus]

I'd even settle for something experienced and merit based. You know, like every other job in existence.

The Secretary of State for Health - who has also been a (by definition failed) Home Secretary and Chancellor, studied Politics and Economics and ran a bank.

Are we supposed, then, to think he is the best candidate for running the health service? And by extension, was also the best candidate for the Home Office and Chancellor and any other position he may take? What about reshuffles?

There is zero Meritocracy. More importantly, this is why the Tories run our country like a fucked shop

They're all businesspeople. The health service, our beloved NHS, I have no doubt required serious financial management and a savvy attitude to such. But the compassion too, the human side. The experience. The interest.

Every role in the cabinet is essentially devalued. Nobody is there on merit. And I suppose you can extend that to politics as a whole. Meritocracy doesn't exist.

That's always been the case for politics although it's certainly magnified with this government where compliance is the main criteria for elevation to the cabinet.  The barriers to entering politics and the relatively poor pay once you get there (in relation to being a senior figure in most other fields - certainly not poor pay in relation to the general populous!) means that it's never been a meritocracy.  The 2019 election seemed to bring in more cranks than usual but we've had people like Fabricant in safe seats for 30 years!

If those generalist MPs are good listeners, organised, critical thinkers, willing to compromise etc. and take onboard the advice of the actual experts then it works OK.  There will be a point where ideologies clash from both sides and compromises need to be struck.  An MP having an obsessive ideological view of the department they run shouldn't be a surprise - Gove's crap education reforms being a case in point - but where Andy is dead right is that the senior posts within the actual services are just stuffed full of the same people as the government with the same PPE degrees and the same lack of understanding of what does and doesn't work in their service.

When it inevitably all falls apart they've moved on with a nice entry on their CV and not a backward glance at what they've left behind.  Dido Harding is a fine example of somebody whose career can be summarised as private school, PPE, MBA, Directorships, CEO, life peer.  Maybe she's more talented than she appears but Woolworths and Carphone Warehouse are now defunct, she was rightly ripped into for the data leak at TalkTalk, and Track, Test and Trace was utterly shambolic.  She's one of dozens or hundreds doing the same circuit.

[Sangria]

I'd even settle for something experienced and merit based. You know, like every other job in existence.

The Secretary of State for Health - who has also been a (by definition failed) Home Secretary and Chancellor, studied Politics and Economics and ran a bank.

Are we supposed, then, to think he is the best candidate for running the health service? And by extension, was also the best candidate for the Home Office and Chancellor and any other position he may take? What about reshuffles?

There is zero Meritocracy. More importantly, this is why the Tories run our country like a fucked shop

They're all businesspeople. The health service, our beloved NHS, I have no doubt required serious financial management and a savvy attitude to such. But the compassion too, the human side. The experience. The interest.

Every role in the cabinet is essentially devalued. Nobody is there on merit. And I suppose you can extend that to politics as a whole. Meritocracy doesn't exist.

We're run by a democracy, not a meritocracy. We're supposed to judge them on the job they do, but nothing links the vote we cast with the job they do. Things other than assessment of the job they do are valued way more than metrics. This is why I am thoroughly suspicious of any arguments to extend UK democracy. We have what we have. There is little evidence indicating that it works.

[Sangria]

That's always been the case for politics although it's certainly magnified with this government where compliance is the main criteria for elevation to the cabinet.  The barriers to entering politics and the relatively poor pay once you get there (in relation to being a senior figure in most other fields - certainly not poor pay in relation to the general populous!) means that it's never been a meritocracy.  The 2019 election seemed to bring in more cranks than usual but we've had people like Fabricant in safe seats for 30 years!

If those generalist MPs are good listeners, organised, critical thinkers, willing to compromise etc. and take onboard the advice of the actual experts then it works OK.  There will be a point where ideologies clash from both sides and compromises need to be struck.  An MP having an obsessive ideological view of the department they run shouldn't be a surprise - Gove's crap education reforms being a case in point - but where Andy is dead right is that the senior posts within the actual services are just stuffed full of the same people as the government with the same PPE degrees and the same lack of understanding of what does and doesn't work in their service.

When it inevitably all falls apart they've moved on with a nice entry on their CV and not a backward glance at what they've left behind.  Dido Harding is a fine example of somebody whose career can be summarised as private school, PPE, MBA, Directorships, CEO, life peer.  Maybe she's more talented than she appears but Woolworths and Carphone Warehouse are now defunct, she was rightly ripped into for the data leak at TalkTalk, and Track, Test and Trace was utterly shambolic.  She's one of dozens or hundreds doing the same circuit.

It's not the PPE that's the problem. It's the media-politician alliance that's the problem. All the complaints about the monarchy, the need for PR, etc. don't address this root problem.

[PaulF]

I think there should be a law where before a Minister 'takes control' of a department, they must, by law, work in that department at a junior level and be shown how it works, what it does and how to run it.

I've often thought this too, but then I'm aware some people (precious few) can pick up the nuances of the 'organisation' they are working in , and are humble enough to listen to the advice of those that matter, and can figure out who's advice has the organisations best interests at heart (And not their own career). And I guess picks people with opposing views of how best to do things.  Not a great example but Klopp is one of those sorts of people. I bet if his playing career had been cut shorter and he'd been elevated to the liverpool job faster, he'd still excel at it.  I don't doubt he picked up valuable experience on the way , but there are plenty of ex players with managerial careers that looked better on paper I'm sure, but would be nowhere near as good as Klopp at the job.  That said, I'd probably be happy if Klopp wanted a shot at brain surgery.

[Elmo!]

Tories running roughshod over devolution to crack down on trade unions.

UK Government confirm they will scrap Welsh law as part of trade union crackdown

The UK Government have confirmed that they will scrap a law passed by the Senedd, as part of their push to crack down on trade unions.

It was revealed last week that the UK Government’s aim was that the law that will attempt to reduce the effectiveness of strikes would apply in Wales as well.

The UK Government has now said that the Trade Union Wales Act in 2017, which prohibited using temporary workers to cover industrial action, will be done away with.

The UK government said it “intends to legislate to remove the Trade Union (Wales) Act 2017 through primary legislation when Parliamentary time allows, to ensure trade union legislation applies equally across Great Britain”.

A Welsh government spokesperson said they would “resist” any plans by the UK Government to steamroll legislation passed by the Welsh parliament.

“Imposing tighter restrictions on trade unions and further reducing the rights of people at work is counter-productive and against everything we stand for in Wales,” they said.

“The UK government’s plans will do nothing to improve the lives of working people.”

“We will resist any attempts by the UK government to undermine both how devolved public services operate and legislation which has been passed by the Senedd.”

Education Minister Jeremy Miles took to social media to call the move “undemocratic”.

“The latest UK Government attack on workers’ rights and devolution – appalling, cynical and undemocratic from a party that doesn’t understand the first thing about social partnership,” he said.

“And it will be resisted.”

‘Ransom’

The General Secretary of TUC Cymru, Shavanah Taj, said the act was introduced to protect workers’ basic rights.

“The UK Government seems determined to attack both workers’ rights and devolution in one go, by introducing an entirely unnecessary piece of legislation,” she said. “It beggars’ belief that in a cost of living crisis, this is their priority.

“We will fiercely oppose any attempts to attack workers’ rights and we look forward to a future where workers throughout the UK have the strongest employment rights in Europe, instead of the weakest.”

UK Government ministers said that under current trade union laws, employment businesses are restricted from supplying temporary agency workers to cover for strikers, saying it can have a “disproportionate impact”.

The legislation will repeal the “burdensome” legal restrictions, giving businesses impacted by strike action the freedom to tap into the services of employment businesses who can provide skilled, temporary agency staff at short notice, said the UK Government.

It would also help mitigate against the impact of future strikes, such as those seen on the railways this week, by allowing trained, temporary workers to carry out crucial roles to keep trains moving, ministers said.

They gave examples of skilled temporary workers being able to fill vacant positions such as train dispatchers.

Business Secretary Kwasi Kwarteng said: “Once again trade unions are holding the country to ransom by grinding crucial public services and businesses to a halt. The situation we are in is not sustainable.

“Repealing these 1970s-era restrictions will give businesses freedom to access fully skilled staff at speed, all while allowing people to get on with their lives uninterrupted to help keep the economy ticking.”

https://nation.cymru/news/trade-union-wales-act-2017/

[lobsterboy]

First day of their anti-protest laws coming into effect and Steve Bray has had his loudspeaker nicked and been threatened and harassed by an army of police.
Same police force that happily sat by and let Johnson and co party every night in No.10.

[TepidT2O]

First day of their anti-protest laws coming into effect and Steve Bray has had his loudspeaker nicked and been threatened and harassed by an army of police.
Same police force that happily sat by and let Johnson and co party every night in No.10.

We were told the law wasn’t for this and that this would not happen. His case was specifically mentioned.

Why? Because he wasn’t stopping anyone doing anything or causing any particular nuisance.

He’s going to court to fight it, I hope those who can afford to will chuck a few quid in to back him

[PaulF]

We were told the law wasn’t for this and that this would not happen. His case was specifically mentioned.

Why? Because he wasn’t stopping anyone doing anything or causing any particular nuisance.

He’s going to court to fight it, I hope those who can afford to will chuck a few quid in to back him

Can anyone afford not to back him?