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Re: VAR! What is it good for? Absolutely nothing... ?
« Reply #5400 on: November 10, 2019, 08:52:29 am »
how the hell that Goundeouzi foul on Soyuncu was not a penalty?
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Re: VAR! What is it good for? Absolutely nothing... ?
« Reply #5401 on: November 10, 2019, 09:21:46 am »
Bloody hell..


I’ve just read that Michael Oliver is the second most accurate ref in the league getting 80% of his decisions correct.


The highest?


Are you sitting down?

Jon Moss on 80%
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« Reply #5402 on: November 10, 2019, 09:26:47 am »
Bloody hell..


I’ve just read that Michael Oliver is the second most accurate ref in the league getting 80% of his decisions correct.


The highest?


Are you sitting down?

Jon Moss on 80%

Who says they're correct?

For me the other fella is getting 80% of his decisions wrong.
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« Reply #5403 on: November 10, 2019, 09:28:38 am »
Who says they're correct?

For me the other fella is getting 80% of his decisions wrong.

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« Reply #5404 on: November 10, 2019, 09:30:59 am »
a VAR-ma Chameleon, you could say...

You've crossed a line(with your armpit) with that one-liner, young man.


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« Reply #5405 on: November 10, 2019, 09:47:15 am »
You've crossed a line(with your armpit) with that one-liner, young man.



Yeah, let's keep things in perspective.
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« Reply #5406 on: November 10, 2019, 09:54:22 am »
Is it?

The line is right, is it?

Here's what you do, take a ruler across the entire yellow line.

Do the same with the 18 yard line.

Let us know how you get on..

Are you still not getting perspective :butt :butt :butt

Look at the thin lines, they are fine and they show that the Spurs defender is playing the Sheff Utd player Onside, the VAR line goes across the front edge of the players boot and passes THROUGH the Spurs players shoulder.
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« Reply #5407 on: November 10, 2019, 10:24:29 am »
Given you have testing experience you don’t need me to point out this is an example of cherry picking. The Firmino example refutes the suggestion that line drawing is always fine.
 is that right mate? Are you sure it’s not Hawkeye. Would be very very weird to have two organisations using two software platforms to draw two separate groups of lines. But then, the way VAR has been implemented that kind of craziness wouldn’t shock.

The system has been calibrated and tested, the software will draw the same line today, tomorrow, a week next tuesday until the software gets changed.

Hawkeye do not draw the yellow lines, the TV companies do all the graphics we see on screen, BT use a tool called Piero. They use very very fines lines in their system, the TV companies then slap their graphics over the top. It is all explained in this below. This feature also explains 4pools issue and why he is wrong with his claims about dodgy lines, it is all down to camera angle and perspective.

https://www.radiotimes.com/news/2015-02-10/why-can-nobody-in-football-draw-a-straight-offside-line/

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« Reply #5408 on: November 10, 2019, 11:55:20 am »
Yeah, let's keep things in perspective.

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« Reply #5409 on: November 10, 2019, 12:13:15 pm »
There was so much opposition to technology being brought in to help with correcting bad decisions, it makes me wonder if there's a deliberate ploy to make it look useless so it gets taken back out of the game.

This is what I was saying to my Dad yesterday. The refs know they are shit, so they make technology (which shows them up for being the shit refs that they are) that they (for some unbeknownst reason) are in charge of, look even more shit so that they can point the finger and go - look we are not as shit as you think. But in reality it is still their human errors that are the cause of the bad decisions. But this way they can transfer their poor decision making onto VAR to stop any and all discussions about how fucking useless they actually are.

That way they can get back onto the pitch and earn their fat wage slips for being the useless tossers that they are without anyone calling them up for their terrible quality of refereeing.

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« Reply #5410 on: November 10, 2019, 02:23:37 pm »
The system has been calibrated and tested, the software will draw the same line today, tomorrow, a week next tuesday until the software gets changed.

Hawkeye do not draw the yellow lines, the TV companies do all the graphics we see on screen, BT use a tool called Piero. They use very very fines lines in their system, the TV companies then slap their graphics over the top. It is all explained in this below. This feature also explains 4pools issue and why he is wrong with his claims about dodgy lines, it is all down to camera angle and perspective.

https://www.radiotimes.com/news/2015-02-10/why-can-nobody-in-football-draw-a-straight-offside-line/



Anyone who has ever been to a horse race or dog race maybe has wandered over to see an actual photo finish picture posted. There, at least at the track I went to, they also have three pictures of a photo finish as reference. One view point from down past the photo finish line. One from on the photo finish line. And the third view point from up past the photo finish line.

All this to show angles of perspective.

I've post this before in here. And is nothing new to me at least.


When one does the railroad rails view, where you are in the middle and see the two rails converge further ahead, this shows how lines are not parallel to infinity ahead of you.

However, you can move 50 feet, 100 yard, or a 1/2 mile up the track and where you stand you still have parallel rails.

And this is my point about picking out two lines which should be parallel. With infinity ahead and behind, the lines do converge. But when you pick out 20 yards or so worth ( the bit on the pitch in the picture with the lines) those two lines should be parallel.

What you don't see is the line drawn on the pitch from sideline to sideline from the last defender. That, for me, would prove the line is straight and parallel to the end line and half way line.



And from that Radio Times article...That doesn’t mean mistakes still can’t happen, as Fifa in the past have admitted.
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« Reply #5411 on: November 10, 2019, 02:31:36 pm »
I'm confused.. ;D

Mane has a goal chalked off for handball when he didn't move his arm and the ball hit it.

Maguire heads the ball onto his hand and Man utd then score from that but that isn't a handball.

What was that law of the game again... ;)

Edit: Ref is Jon Moss... VAR: Peter Bankes
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« Reply #5412 on: November 10, 2019, 02:51:06 pm »
I'm confused.. ;D

Mane has a goal chalked off for handball when he didn't move his arm and the ball hit it.

Maguire heads the ball onto his hand and Man utd then score from that but that isn't a handball.

What was that law of the game again... ;)

Edit: Ref is Jon Moss... VAR: Peter Bankes
If I remember correctly, if it comes off your own body part onto your hand it's not handball.

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« Reply #5413 on: November 10, 2019, 02:51:52 pm »
If I remember correctly, if it comes off your own body part onto your hand it's not handball.

It is if it leads to a goal, I believe. Because its completely fair to change the rule depending on the situation.
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« Reply #5414 on: November 10, 2019, 02:55:28 pm »
If I remember correctly, if it comes off your own body part onto your hand it's not handball.

Yes and no...lol

 a player gains control/possession of the ball after it touches their hand/arm and then scores, or creates a goal-scoring opportunity.

This for attackers and when goals are scored.


This for defenders and no penalty is given:

the ball touches a player's hand/arm directly from their own head/body/foot or the head/body/foot of another player who is close/near
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« Reply #5415 on: November 10, 2019, 02:58:42 pm »
I'm confused.. ;D

Mane has a goal chalked off for handball when he didn't move his arm and the ball hit it.

Maguire heads the ball onto his hand and Man utd then score from that but that isn't a handball.

What was that law of the game again... ;)

Edit: Ref is Jon Moss... VAR: Peter Bankes
Well I'll tell you where you're going wrong. If the ball hits a defenders arm it's OK but if it hits an attackers arm it isn't OK. Maguire is a defender. Simple.
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« Reply #5416 on: November 10, 2019, 03:07:31 pm »
Well I'll tell you where you're going wrong. If the ball hits a defenders arm it's OK but if it hits an attackers arm it isn't OK. Maguire is a defender. Simple.

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« Reply #5417 on: November 10, 2019, 03:15:52 pm »
Well I'll tell you where you're going wrong. If the ball hits a defenders arm it's OK but if it hits an attackers arm it isn't OK. Maguire is a defender. Simple.
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« Reply #5418 on: November 10, 2019, 03:17:48 pm »
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This is the same ref who sent Mane off for a high foot

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« Reply #5419 on: November 10, 2019, 03:21:51 pm »
Karate kick to the chest?  Checking for red........(insert Leslie_Nielsen_nothing_to_see_here.gif)

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« Reply #5420 on: November 10, 2019, 04:41:11 pm »
I think I have spotted a paradox in the new rule that has almost certainly been introduced because of VAR. Say for example, it's the last day of the season and Everton need a win at Goodison to avoid relegation. It's the 95th minute, Everton are 1-0 up and defending a corner, the opposition's goalkeeper has come up in desperation for the equaliser. The corner comes in, drops to Keane,who hoofs it clear to Richarlison. Richarlison gleefully finishes into an empty net, Goodison erupts. On VAR review it becomes clear that the ball brushed off Keane's arm before creating the goalscoring opportunity, which means the goal can't be allowed. As the handball incident happened in Everton's penalty area, the ref is forced to award a penalty, which ultimately relegates Everton. The Bitters are obviously fewming as the rules state that a penalty can't be awarded for an accidental handball when the arm is in a natural position. Am I correct in the outcome of this scenario? Or are there provisions in the rules to prevent such a controversial decision?

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« Reply #5421 on: November 10, 2019, 05:28:29 pm »
Am I wrong in thinking that it couldn't have been a pen against Trent because it would've been caused by the ball striking Silva's hand 1st?
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« Reply #5422 on: November 10, 2019, 05:30:03 pm »
Am I wrong in thinking that it couldn't have been a pen against Trent because it would've been caused by the ball striking Silva's hand 1st?
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« Reply #5423 on: November 10, 2019, 05:30:44 pm »
Am I wrong in thinking that it couldn't have been a pen against Trent because it would've been caused by the ball striking Silva's hand 1st?

Wondering the same thing. Just one of those weird situations where if it had been given, we’d been up in arms. I’m happy for the referee to go, ‘that’s one apiece, play on’

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« Reply #5425 on: November 10, 2019, 05:36:15 pm »
Am I wrong in thinking that it couldn't have been a pen against Trent because it would've been caused by the ball striking Silva's hand 1st?

You aren't wrong, but you just know the pundits will all forget about Silva's hand when they have a whinge about it later.

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« Reply #5426 on: November 10, 2019, 06:32:07 pm »
You aren't wrong, but you just know the pundits will all forget about Silva's hand when they have a whinge about it later.

They had at half time, hardly got a mention.
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« Reply #5427 on: November 10, 2019, 06:33:49 pm »
Sky desperately trying to set the narrative by completely ignoring the fact that it deflected off Sliva's arm onto Trent's.
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« Reply #5428 on: November 10, 2019, 06:42:15 pm »
What reason did the FA give for it not being a pen? It's not even touched his arm/hand!
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« Reply #5429 on: November 10, 2019, 06:55:31 pm »
Had VAR not been around most people would have accepted the decisions made in todays game. Some would have even said that Ref had a great game.

But thanks to VAR thousands of bitter losers will spend next couple of weeks drawing lines on a screenshot and one of them is supposedly the greatest football manager of all time.

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« Reply #5430 on: November 10, 2019, 07:01:56 pm »
What reason did the FA give for it not being a pen? It's not even touched his arm/hand!
https://mobile.twitter.com/hafizvdin/status/1193569954001342464?s=20
So you can't have a handball that ends up in a goal. Surely then you can't have s handball that ends up with a penalty?

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« Reply #5431 on: November 10, 2019, 07:02:24 pm »
What reason did the FA give for it not being a pen? It's not even touched his arm/hand!
https://mobile.twitter.com/hafizvdin/status/1193569954001342464?s=20

Arm then leg, other angle shows it clearly
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« Reply #5432 on: November 10, 2019, 07:06:04 pm »
Arm then leg, other angle shows it clearly
Regardless. The ball to Trent came from Silva's arm. I don't even get the debate... That was, if anything, a free kick to us.
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« Reply #5433 on: November 10, 2019, 07:17:06 pm »
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« Reply #5434 on: November 10, 2019, 07:25:47 pm »
Regardless. The ball to Trent came from Silva's arm. I don't even get the debate... That was, if anything, a free kick to us.

Oh there is no debate, the Silva handball leads to a disallowed goal if it goes in. It was two rapid ricochets off two hands arms that neither player intended. Oliver and VAR was 100% correct no pen.

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Re: VAR! What is it good for? Absolutely nothing... ?
« Reply #5435 on: November 10, 2019, 07:30:01 pm »
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Re: VAR! What is it good for? Absolutely nothing... ?
« Reply #5436 on: November 10, 2019, 08:43:57 pm »
Oh there is no debate, the Silva handball leads to a disallowed goal if it goes in. It was two rapid ricochets off two hands arms that neither player intended. Oliver and VAR was 100% correct no pen.

Gives the fuckwits on Blue Loon something to foam about tonight :lmao

It's a bit of a strange one. Silva can't score, because it's come off his arm. But play does not stop, because it's not intentional. As I was saying yesterday, that sets up a ridiculous situation where the attacking team are still playing, but if they score it will be ruled out.

The official story from today was simply that Trent did not deliberately try to handle the ball. (The speed it happened, he'd be one of the greatest keepers in world football to get a hand to it on purpose.) So we can argue the toss about his "natural silhouette" (which sounds more like a perfume than a football term) but the fact it came off Silva is ultimately neither here nor there.

And no, it makes absolutely no sense. Not even really a VAR issue, this is just a result of the new handball rules not being thought through.

Not complaining, obviously.  ;)
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Re: VAR! What is it good for? Absolutely nothing... ?
« Reply #5437 on: November 10, 2019, 08:45:38 pm »
Check out Lazio game today for some wild use of VAR - not just a prem league issue

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Re: VAR! What is it good for? Absolutely nothing... ?
« Reply #5438 on: November 10, 2019, 08:45:53 pm »
It's a bit of a strange one. Silva can't score, because it's come off his arm. But play does not stop, because it's not intentional. As I was saying yesterday, that sets up a ridiculous situation where the attacking team are still playing, but if they score it will be ruled out.

The official story from today was simply that Trent did not deliberately try to handle the ball. (The speed it happened, he'd be one of the greatest keepers in world football to get a hand to it on purpose.) So we can argue the toss about his "natural silhouette" (which sounds more like a perfume than a football term) but the fact it came off Silva is ultimately neither here nor there.

And no, it makes absolutely no sense. Not even really a VAR issue, this is just a result of the new handball rules not being thought through.

Not complaining, obviously.  ;)

Do us a favour, instead of coming up with VAR scenarios that then happen, can you post that I win the Euromillions on Tuesday instead ;)
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Re: VAR! What is it good for? Absolutely nothing... ?
« Reply #5439 on: November 10, 2019, 08:46:14 pm »
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