Topic: The Horse Racing thread

[aedge659]

Cracking day of racing again. Agree on Shiskin, can't see me backing him next time. Jonbon looking better and better with each race and very impressed with Ashtown Lad.

[1892tillforever]

Indeed, really impressive from Edwardstone. Shishkin wasn’t really at it from the start, maybe wants further, but still didn’t look quite right

Starting to suspect that Edwardstone might be better than being a smart horse! Intrigued to see what he does this season. COnsidered backing him but felt he would be outgunned by the big two.

I saw a horse called Marvellous Mick racing today at Chepstow. We've all seen horses run 'green' on debut, but this was quite a watch. The horse was all over the shop and still won by over 3 lengths 

[duvva 💅]

Honeysuckle finally beaten. Not sure the way the race was run suited her but she seemed to be missing her spark. Interested to hear what they say

[Gerry Attrick]

I’m not sure to be honest. I’d forgive her one bad run but getting 7lb and getting beat by Teahupoo doesn’t augur well. She’s rarely been spectacular though, it has to be said.

[duvva 💅]

The King George card on Boxing Day is shaping up very nicely. L’Homme Presse looks like taking on Bravemansgame. Constitution Hill and Epatante in the Christmas Hurdle and the rearranged Long Walk Hurdle with Champ and Paisley Park.

Was half considering going, but really tempted now

[Gerry Attrick]

Dettori is giving it up at the end of next year. I’m interested to see what Gosden will do, will he give it to Havlin (surely not), go for a Hollie Doyle or James Doyle or just spread it around.

[liversaint]

Dettori is giving it up at the end of next year. I’m interested to see what Gosden will do, will he give it to Havlin (surely not), go for a Hollie Doyle or James Doyle or just spread it around.

Havlin will continue in his current role, especially when particular riding instructions are given. Wouldn’t be surprised if it’s Hollie, but a wildcard might br Oisin Murphy if he stays out of trouble on his return 

[goalrushatgoodison]

Davy called it a day this afternoon. For those in the know, that is the biggest sporting story of the day. What a truly fantastic career.

[duvva 💅]

Galopin Des Champs and Appreciate It out today on the rearranged Punchestown card.

Russell was still quality, but that was a really bad injury he got last time, good to get out in one piece more or less

[Gerry Attrick]

Galopin Des Champs would want to be putting this lot to sleep easy enough if they’ve hopes of winning a Gold Cup.

[duvva 💅]

Galopin Des Champs would want to be putting this lot to sleep easy enough if they’ve hopes of winning a Gold Cup.

Smooth as you’d like

Edit: and Jonbon might have a rival in Appreciate It

[duvva 💅]

Mullins looks to have a good one for the Ballymore in Impaire et Passe. Not sure what was behind him but they way he went clear after a tap was quite impressive

[Gerry Attrick]

Very nice start over fences for El Fabiolo. I think he’s the main danger to Jonbon. Only beat a neck at Aintree and that was only El Fabiolo’s second run. I just don’t like Appreciate it as a horse, he only looks decent in novice events against horses he’s much older than. 9 years old and running in the Arkle is a farce.

[duvva 💅]

There wasn’t much between them at Aintree and perhaps there won’t be much over fences. El Fabiolo is probably the safer bet anyway as he’s pretty much guaranteed to go Arkle whereas Appreciate It could potentially step up in trip. Also Sir Gerhard still to come out could go for either race although more likely the 2m4f.
I get what you’re saying about Appreciate It but that Supreme win was impressive and Edwardstone bucked the trend for younger winners last year. At least it’s shaping up like a competitive race which often it isn’t

[Gerry Attrick]

I just don’t like the fact you can run one at that age in any novice race. He’s at his peak age. He’d qualify for veterans chases in 2024. The novice hurdles and novice chases should be limited to 7 year olds, after that if you’ve not run in a novice, tough. Get in a handicap, a horses frame should be fully developed by 8.

[duvva 💅]

Just seen that Cue Card has died at the age of 16 from a heart attack.

What a brilliant horse he was

[Gerry Attrick]

I think Envoi Allen is the bet in the King George.

High Definition, the one time Derby favourite is starting out over timber for Joseph today. Not many pedigrees like that go jumping and he’s still an entire. Willie seems to have a well touted one that’s odds on though.

[duvva 💅]

I think Envoi Allen is the bet in the King George.

High Definition, the one time Derby favourite is starting out over timber for Joseph today. Not many pedigrees like that go jumping and he’s still an entire. Willie seems to have a well touted one that’s odds on though.

It’s a very decent King George and I can’t make my mind up but would like to see L’Homme Presse win as he looks like potentially the best of last seasons novices in this country at least.

Yep clocked High Definition, interesting to see how he goes. Also think Paisley Park is overpriced at Kempton although he has shortened a bit now

[Gerry Attrick]

Nice picks Duv. That is the most Paisley Park win of all. Hit a real flat spot turning in but finished stronger than anything. Think Goshen ran creditably too. He’s just in between in terms of trips and class.

[Gerry Attrick]

Lossiemouth looks a real nice sort.

[duvva 💅]

High Definition got the job done thanks to two missing hurdles more than anything I think. Lossiemouth certainly seems the pick of the juveniles so far. Came away nicely there.

Just fancied Paisley Park to turn the tables given the ground and couldn’t believe he went out as far as 5/1 yesterday

[duvva 💅]

Constitution Hill is just ridiculous

[duvva 💅]

You just can’t beat Nicholls record in the King George. L’Homme Presse will be better at Cheltenham. Will Bravemansgame even go to Cheltenham

[Gerry Attrick]

Probably not, I suspect Nicholls will make him like Clan Des Obeaux. Bit of an unsatisfactory result for me, I just don’t like the horse.

[duvva 💅]

Probably not, I suspect Nicholls will make him like Clan Des Obeaux. Bit of an unsatisfactory result for me, I just don’t like the horse.

Yeah I’m not sure there was anything to trouble Galopin there, or A Plus Tard if he can get back to his best

[Gerry Attrick]

The Gold Cup division has really lacked a Kauto Star type dominant horse for a long time. They take it in turns and when you think they hit form they bomb out. Find it a very difficult group to weigh up. I have no idea what will win if they all face off again.

[Gerry Attrick]

Blue Lord just put up a clear career best. He looked the winner eveywhere.

[duvva 💅]

Blue Lord just put up a clear career best. He looked the winner eveywhere.

Yep done that very well. Chacun on the other hand looks done

[Gerry Attrick]

Yep done that very well. Chacun on the other hand looks done

He made a right horlicks of 3 out and after that, he was cooked. I suspect he will struggle to win another Grade 1. Just not got the toe of the up and comers

[Gerry Attrick]

Facile Vega didn’t look that good. If I had a top class one I wouldn’t be that scared of him. Over hurdles he’s looked far more vulnerable.

[duvva 💅]

Facile Vega didn’t look that good. If I had a top class one I wouldn’t be that scared of him. Over hurdles he’s looked far more vulnerable.

I wouldn’t be in a rush to oppose him, I think the first 3 could all be very good. Think Ashroe Diamond could have a very good chance if aimed at the Mares depending what else runs

Just realised I’m talking rubbish here. Ashroe is a novice still. There’s a decent one of Henderson’s in there but she’s 6/1 second fav and think that’s a decent price (as much as any single figure price is decent This far out)

[duvva 💅]

Well that was disappointing from Edwardstone. I wonder if Tom Cannon was holding him back too much, as he went to the back didn’t jump well then unshipped Cannon. Ran well after that

[Gerry Attrick]

Not sure what to make of todays racing. I think there’s a few results in Ireland that wouldn’t stand up at Cheltenham or a big spring meeting.

[duvva 💅]

Not sure what to make of todays racing. I think there’s a few results in Ireland that wouldn’t stand up at Cheltenham or a big spring meeting.

I know what you mean. Thought Conflated was good but surely there’s something better in terms of the gold cup. The 3 mile hurdle division is a bit of a mess too.

2 years ago De Bromhead had a whole bunch of top class horses and looked to be up there with Elliott and Mullins but the best ones seem to have either regressed or have issues. Feel sorry for him given everything that’s happened the last few months

[FlashGordon]

I know what you mean. Thought Conflated was good but surely there’s something better in terms of the gold cup. The 3 mile division is a bit of a mess too.

2 years ago De Bromhead had a whole bunch of top class horses and looked to be up there with Elliott and Mullins but the best ones seem to have either regressed or have issues. Feel sorry for him given everything that’s happened the last few months

Once Galopin des Champs stays upright he wins the Gold Cup on the bridle.

That was the worst Leopardstown Christmas Festival I can remember.

Facile Vega is a monster though Gerry. You'd want to be very scared 

[duvva 💅]

Just considering whether Vauban is worth ago tomorrow. Clearly Mullins doesn’t really want to start him out in a race like this but if he’s going to be a CH horse (despite only being about to turn 5) then he must be in with a shout.

He looked very classy last season but as we know 5 yr olds tend to struggle, just thought he may be one to buck the trend

[FlashGordon]

Just considering whether Vauban is worth ago tomorrow. Clearly Mullins doesn’t really want to start him out in a race like this but if he’s going to be a CH horse (despite only being about to turn 5) then he must be in with a shout.

He looked very classy last season but as we know 5 yr olds tend to struggle, just thought he may be one to buck the trend

Wouldn't be able to choose between him and State Man to be honest, probably worth a punt at the prices.

[Gerry Attrick]

Jack Kennedy just elbowed Blackmore off her horse there. You can’t be using another rider to try and maintain a partnership with your horse. If it puts in a shoddy leap get out the side door and take it. Would hope the stewards are having a good look.

[duvva 💅]

Jack Kennedy just elbowed Blackmore off her horse there. You can’t be using another rider to try and maintain a partnership with your horse. If it puts in a shoddy leap get out the side door and take it. Would hope the stewards are having a good look.

Carnage at that fence. Not sure whether that has anything to do with the Gigginstown horse breaking down. I couldn’t tell whether Jack just instinctively tried to push off Amirite and Blackmore as he began to lose balance C and fall that way. If there was anything deliberate there then that’s very dangerous.

Did Three Stripe Life get up? If not that’s an horrific race

[Gerry Attrick]

Carnage at that fence. Not sure whether that has anything to do with the Gigginstown horse breaking down. I couldn’t tell whether Jack just instinctively tried to push off Amirite and Blackmore as he began to lose balance C and fall that way. If there was anything deliberate there then that’s very dangerous.

Did Three Stripe Life get up? If not that’s an horrific race

Yeah, a race to forget. Just ugly to watch from start to finish. The horse that was going best got shoved off by Kennedy.