Topic: Man City - cheating bastards rumbled

[Lush is the best medicine...]

https://twitter.com/sportingintel/status/1228406708176850944?s=21

Interesting, maybe the #taintedtitles will be gone, ah well they’ll still have those carabao cups

[Zeb]

Won't work like that surely?

It's temporarily suspended while they work through process. File enough crap and the process will take them through into next season. Not like they're short of money for lawyers, as they keep telling UEFA.

[SP]

Thats annoying, Utd getting CL by default.

But they are shit, so you get to watch them fail.

[Eeyore]

So ummm about lasts seasons league title ?

The actual breaches were regarding the 13/14 season. ummmm.

[Wabaloolah]

Now the FA have to take action or have the last few titles become  TAINTED 

we don't want Utd to get another title though so I suggest a 10 point deduction per year dating back to 2013-14 season

[tommy LFC]

Don’t UEFA realize that their best player and the best player Pep ever managed is homegrown??

Won’t somebody please think of Phil Foden?!

[Wabaloolah]

Thats annoying, Utd getting CL by default.

don't think that's in any way guaranteed

[Qston]

Just popped in to say 

[Ma Vie en Rouge]

https://twitter.com/StatManGaz/status/1228393932385595393

One of the replies reads "We are Man City Gaz. We'll fight to the end in the courts."

What a stirring motto for a football club that is. Put it on the badge, along with "And if we lose, we'll torture someone anyway." That will get the players really fired up.

[Statto Red]

Be hilarious if they get docked points from their 100 point season too, although can't see it happening.

[norecat]

Michael Brown is not the brightest light in the harbour. Having someone of his ilk on the BBC shows how standards have dropped. City have engaged in financial doping on an epic scale. Well done UEFA. Would love to see the FA grow a pair and pull void all their trophies from last season. We were financially banjaxed in 2010 when FSG took over. We built from a low position but in a sustainable fashion over years. 

[Eeyore]

Does the PL have the same FFP rules? I always thought they had a more relaxed view on it.

Up until this season the Premier League had STCC which meant wage bill increases had to be funded by an uplift in commercial revenues. Central to that is accurate reporting of commercial revenues. They are banged to rights.

[12C]

Of course. Or at minimum it'll get reduced to a year. There's far too much money involved and they'll appeal the fuck out of it.

They're already talking about forfeiting the CL tie with Madrid on Blue Loon though. Because you know, that'll show UEFA. 

Thing is mate, it’s not about the money to the sheik. That’s the whole problem. It’s pocket change to him. He’s spent billions on this PR project to make the regime look modern and enlightened. UEFA have just called him out as a cheat. He wants the courts to prove that ADFC are as honest as a summers day at the North Pole is long. Mansour has lost face. That renders the whole project invalid. Mansour won’t be happy with that
It’s all about the loss of face.

[In the Name of Klopp]

UEFA tried to reopen PSG FFP case but couldn't.

PSG win appeal to shut down Uefa’s investigation into alleged FFP breach after Cas sides with club

The Court of Arbitration for Sport (Cas) ruled the initial case was ‘final and binding’

Lawrence Ostlere @lawrenceostlere
Tuesday 19 March 2019 16:18


Paris Saint-Germain have won their appeal to dismiss Uefa‘s investigation into the club’s financial affairs, after the Court of Arbitration for Sport (Cas) ruled the decision to close the initial case was “final and binding”.

Last June Uefa’s Club Financial Control Body (CFCB) closed its investigation into PSG over alleged breaches of its Financial Fair Play (FFP) regulations. However, nine days later the chairman of the CFCB requested that decision be reviewed.

Following that review in September, Uefa concluded that PSG’s conduct did indeed warrant further investigation and deemed the case open once more.


But PSG filed an appeal to Cas seeking to have the decision annulled, claiming Uefa had breached its own rules which state that it must reopen any investigation within 10 days of the chairman’s request to review – Uefa had taken two months.

PSG’s appeal was therefore upheld by Cas, with no chance that it can be reopened in the future.

The news is a major boost for PSG who could have faced major fines and a suspension from European competition. In 2014 PSG were fined €60m over FFP breaches, although €40m were suspended, and their squad was reduced to 21 players in European competitions.

Full Cas statement
The Court of Arbitration for Sport (CAS) has issued its decision in the appeal arbitration procedure between the French football club Paris Saint-Germain Football SASP (Paris Saint-Germain) and the Union of European Football Associations (UEFA).

The appeal filed at the CAS on 3 October 2018 by Paris Saint-Germain against the decision issued on 19 September 2018 by the Adjudicatory Chamber of the UEFA Club Financial Control Body (CFCB) (the Challenged Decision) is upheld and the Challenged decision is set aside.

The decision issued on 13 June 2018 by the Investigatory Chamber of the UEFA CFCB in which the investigation into Paris Saint-Germain’s compliance with the UEFA Financial Fair Play regulations was closed is thus final and binding.

On 22 June 2018, the Chairman of the UEFA CFCB, on the basis of Article 16 (1) of the UEFA CFCB Procedural Rules (the Applicable Rules), ordered that the Adjudicatory Chamber review the decision taken by the Investigatory Chamber on 13 June 2018. The Adjudicatory Chamber ruled on 19 September 2018 that the case should be referred back to the Investigatory Chamber for further investigation. On 3 October 2018, Paris Saint-Germain filed an appeal at the CAS seeking to have such decision annulled on the basis that Article 16 (1) provided for a 10-day review period during which any review should be instigated and completed and that the Challenged Decision was manifestly late.

The CAS Panel in charge of the matter issued its decision on the basis of the parties’ written submissions. The CAS Panel concurred that the 10-day time limit which starts to run from the date of communication of the decision of the Chief Investigator to the CFCB Chairman, as set out in Article 16 (1) of the Applicable Rules, did indeed mean that the review conducted by the Adjudicatory Chamber should have taken place within ten days and that since the Challenged Decision was issued beyond the 10-day time limit, the Challenged Decision was untimely and must be annulled.


https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/european/psg-ffp-appeal-uefa-paris-saint-germain-decision-upheld-cas-a8830166.html

[Something Worse]

we don't want Utd to get another title though so I suggest a 10 point deduction per year dating back to 2013-14 season

I think it's perfect.

They get two, we get two. Balanced. We get this year's the normal way, so it isn't a shitty league win like Inter's back in the mid 00s.

The gap is closed by one still, City lose their titles. Hilarious. AGUERROOOOOOOOOO means nothing.

[LovelyCushionedHeader]

Michael Brown is not the brightest light in the harbour. Having someone of his ilk on the BBC shows how standards have dropped. City have engaged in financial doping on an epic scale. Well done UEFA. Would love to see the FA grow a pair and pull void all their trophies from last season. We were financially banjaxed in 2010 when FSG took over. We built from a low position but in a sustainable fashion over years.

He was talking about how City will get through this because of their owners and their backing etc. without even contemplating the fact that this is what got them in this predicament in the first place!

Also going on about how this will be one step closer to a Super League because the elite clubs won't stand for this. In reality, every elite club bar PSG would have pushing for this punishment to happen for a very long time.

[Mighty_Red]

Just hope CAS upholds this. Whilst UEFA will feel the heat on this, most of the big clubs will be behind them and not City.

At the end of the day FFP is like any other competition rule - like salary caps or player auction budgets. Either you obey the rules or you don't enter the competition.

[Red_Mist]

One of the replies reads "We are Man City Gaz. We'll fight to the end in the courts."

What a stirring motto for a football club that is. Put it on the badge, along with "And if we lose, we'll torture someone anyway." That will get the players really fired up.

“We’re Manchester City, we’ll cheat when we want”

Get that on the dressing room wall.

[Son of Spion]

I think it's perfect.

They get two, we get two. Balanced. We get this year's the normal way, so it isn't a shitty league win like Inter's back in the mid 00s.

The gap is closed by one still, City lose their titles. Hilarious. AGUERROOOOOOOOOO means nothing.

AguerNOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!

[mattD]

I think it's perfect.

They get two, we get two. Balanced. We get this year's the normal way, so it isn't a shitty league win like Inter's back in the mid 00s.

The gap is closed by one still, City lose their titles. Hilarious. AGUERROOOOOOOOOO means nothing.

That would be the logical reasoning, but no way is the Premier League following suit being helmed by the likes of scum like Scudamore before and god knows who now. They will make sure their 'brand' is not tainted. They'll continue as if nothing happened.

[Lush is the best medicine...]

Just hope CAS upholds this. Whilst UEFA will feel the heat on this, most of the big clubs will be behind them and not City.

exactly, they let City off and there’s a good chance of a super league with a lot of their fans wanting that

[12C]

Even if HMRC find them guilty of tax avoidance, Mansour won’t be arsed about paying a fine. The players might, if it turns out that they have been swerving taxes through payments as alleged against Mancini.

[tommy LFC]

And they could be replaced in the CL by Wolves, whose own dealings are questionable at best. Come on Sheffield United!

[Something Worse]

AguerNOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!

 

That would be the logical reasoning, but no way is the Premier League following suit being helmed by the likes of scum like Scudamore before and god knows who now. They will make sure their 'brand' is not tainted. They'll continue as if nothing happened.

I agree that'll almost certainly be the outcome, but I'm just saying if they took all their titles away it would be a great outcome for us.

[Ray K]

Just came back from having some food and I logged on here and wondered why the City thread had gone from p14 earlier today to p26 now....

and then I read on..



Apart from the general hilarity of it all, it leaves them in a huge hole financially and managerially next season. Pep will go, they won't have CL income for the next two seasons so unless they want to breach FFP again they're not rebuilding a side that is in need of refreshing.

And also:

@sportingintel
When we spoke to new PL CEO Richard Masters last week, his stance on a PL investigation into Man City was that there was a PL investigation ongoing, but as such it was confidential and thus no more info is available until concluded.

[Nick110581]

They must have some pretty damning evidence to ban them

[Son of Spion]

That would be the logical reasoning, but no way is the Premier League following suit being helmed by the likes of scum like Scudamore before and god knows who now. They will make sure their 'brand' is not tainted. They'll continue as if nothing happened while their brand gets increasingly damaged by known cheats going unopposed.

Just a little tweak there.

[rebel23]

Was just thinking that. The English media have done such a great job in sportswashing the regime, and this has undone all of it in one moment. Even if it's reduced/overturned.

Good point.  All the wanking over City. They very rarely mention that they have cooked the books and spent shit loads on players.

[Eeyore]

UEFA tried to reopen PSG FFP case but couldn't.

City have already tried to get CAS to throw out the reopening of this case but CAS refused.

[Dave D]

What happens to a company (let's call them Company 'A') claims that money is coming from Company 'B', but in fact the money is actually coming from an individual with connections to Company 'A?. In a lot of countries I imagine this would be frowned upon.

I love the naivety of man city fans. The hacking and the leaking won't stop, it'll never stop.

[FiSh77]

Debatable. There is a rule stipulating a maximum loss of £105m that teams are allowed to make over any 3 year period. There are however no rules about where teams are allowed to get their income from.

From the 2019-20 PL Handbook, page 113 for anybody who can be arsed downloading it

Guidance Pursuant to Rules E.18 to E.20, the Board may require further information from the Club including (but not limited to): a) confirmation that Club Own Revenue Uplift has been calculated on a like-for-like basis; and b)  satisfactory evidence that revenue included within the calculation of Club Own Revenue Uplift has not been artificially inflated. In addition, the Board may adjust a Club Own Revenue Uplift by assessing any revenue within it from Related Party Transactions to Fair Market Value.  As set out in the definition of Club Own Revenue Uplift (Rule A.1.33), the Board must give the Club the opportunity to make submissions before it does so.

[rafathegaffa83]

So ummm about lasts seasons league title ?

Surely the PL can't stand still here

[RedForeverTT]

Cooking it’s books is a very serious office. In normal circumstances that would mean the directors and financial officers going to jail. That’s why there are laws to deter that.

I hope HMRC could follow up to see if there is any criminal activity going on. And if so, more serious penalties must be handed out.

[Johns_Barn]

Utter laissez faire approach from the cowardly media here, who were more hyped by pepball over an even playing field.

[elsewhere]

If UEFA can ban European Royalty like AC Milan for the same offense they couldn't give two fucks to these peasants.

Are you saying City is not European Royalty?

[Eeyore]

They must have some pretty damning evidence to ban them

They have got internal emails outlining how they intended to bypass FFP. Stating how much the sponsors would really pay and how much AD would top up the deal. They are banged to rights.

[rebel23]

UEFA tried to reopen PSG FFP case but couldn't.

City tried to do the same thing as PSG last November but lost in CAS....

It's different.  City aren't co-operating etc.

[Eeyore]

Are you saying City is not European Royalty?

They are the Prince Andrew of European royalty.

[Statto Red]

I think it's perfect.

They get two, we get two. Balanced. We get this year's the normal way, so it isn't a shitty league win like Inter's back in the mid 00s.

The gap is closed by one still, City lose their titles. Hilarious. AGUERROOOOOOOOOO means nothing.

I cant see City being stripped of titles though, even if they do get stripped of the title, it'll most likely be left vacant rather than anyone else being promoted to champions instead.

[tray fenny]

I wonder if there'll be a little * next to their domestic tin pots trophies from the last 6years?