Topic: The Impending Summer, George Gillett and Fancard Farce

[chanti]

Never said they'd be worse, think they'd be better. Still think fans would get ripped off though. It was happening for years before they came, just it'll go to another level now. Just think that some people are airing on the side of caution before hailing potential new investors as saviours. Everyone did that last time and we looked like tits.

Fair point I am unable to  attend matches and watch on the box, but at the moment I only see DIC as our saviour and better option in this climate of Credit crunch. I just have a good feeling about them and can live with them even if they can't get KAKA for us.

[Phoenix06]

Since the Derby (horseracing), I always chuckle to myself when I see the pictures of Sheikh Mohammed and the princess, then the rest of the Maktoum family following behind.

Surely since the Maktoum "clan" are here, it's time they take on the Hicks "clan". Maybe Gillett and Hicks should drag their arses over here and maybe get it sorted over a face to face confrontation with the Maktoums.

Imagine the face of anger from the Sheikh. I'd hate to be G&H trembling in their boots.

[bushy2812]

I believe that when the Yanks got involved they thought they could tick all boxes.

1.Buy Liverpool at a cut price.
2.Make liverpool the most sucessfull club in Europe.
3.Sell on for a huge profit.

Simple AS.

You thought 2 American business men with no association with our club or even the sport and with a history of leveraged buyouts really care about the success of LFC when they bought into it?? Seriously you can't be that naive!

They are business men pure and simple, they bought an undervalued asset at virtually no risk to themselves and will do the minimum necessary to make maximum profit. That is it.

With so many people in the know saying that meetings are still going on why do you think that is? Simple there is a number that they will sell out now, if they dont get it they will hold on a bit longer and try again, or if by some miracle they get the finance they will build a stadium and sell it then, it is purely a business transaction.

SIMPLE AS!

[bushy2812]

Never said they'd be worse, think they'd be better. Still think fans would get ripped off though. It was happening for years before they came, just it'll go to another level now. Just think that some people are airing on the side of caution before hailing potential new investors as saviours. Everyone did that last time and we looked like tits.

Actually I take your point and agree, we have to accept that whilst we bitch and moan about lack of transfer funds and star players there is only one real way to get this and that is to increase revenue.

Things like the fancard replacement, ticket prices, commercial boxes etc etc will increase in price and generate revenue. If we want to be at the top we will have to charge at the top as well.

Unless a sugar daddy is involved this will happen, and I dont think anyone thinks DIC will fall into that category.

[NotBeenInAigburthSince2008]

If we want to be at the top we will have to charge at the top as well.

I'd add in the proviso that the extra revenue generated has to be used to put us back up to the top, not to pay interest on loans, dividends, paying for hotels / food / drinks / restaurants and flights for people who can afford to pay themselves, cleaning up vomit, funding baseball, ice hockey and 'merican football teams, funding Republican party Presidential Campaigns, designing imaginary stadia, redesigning imaginary stadia, consultancy fees to football managers not employed by the club.....


....oh and heating bills in the middle of feckin' summer

E&OE

[bushy2812]

I'd add in the proviso that the extra revenue generated has to be used to put us back up to the top, not to pay interest on loans, dividends, paying for hotels / food / drinks / restaurants and flights for people who can afford to pay themselves, cleaning up vomit, funding baseball, ice hockey and 'merican football teams, funding Republican party Presidential Campaigns, designing imaginary stadia, redesigning imaginary stadia, consultancy fees to football managers not employed by the club.....


....oh and heating bills in the middle of feckin' summer

E&OE

Good point......well made!

[jaymc]

Actually I take your point and agree, we have to accept that whilst we bitch and moan about lack of transfer funds and star players there is only one real way to get this and that is to increase revenue.

Things like the fancard replacement, ticket prices, commercial boxes etc etc will increase in price and generate revenue. If we want to be at the top we will have to charge at the top as well.

Unless a sugar daddy is involved this will happen, and I dont think anyone thinks DIC will fall into that category.

Yeh i cant wait till we win the league and im celebrating listening on radio city cos i cant afford to go. Gonna be boss that.

[bushy2812]

Yeh i cant wait till we win the league and im celebrating listening on radio city cos i cant afford to go. Gonna be boss that.

I know what you are saying and I agree, I just don't see it going any other way though, do you?

[kingjari]

I've expressed this concern before and call me paranoid if you like, but I honestly believe its not impossible that in addition to milking fans to the tune of £29 a year, for what essentially is some kind of expanded OLSC/PTS scheme.

The owners are seeking to build their own new membership base, effectively in competition with The Union. One they caan promote in the match programme, official magazine, website and LFCTV.

Concieveably, they could then totally ignore or even refuse to recognise the Union and ignore any valid attempts at dialogue, like the club currently does with the HJC. They could claim by consulting their own newly formed membership base, that they canvas fans opinions and ergo have their mandate.

I honestly would'nt put it past the sly, greedy mofo's.

While debateing on another forum with someone I consider very pro-Hicks, he even suggested that same posibility.

[a former tribune of the plebs]

Never said they'd be worse, think they'd be better. Still think fans would get ripped off though. It was happening for years before they came, just it'll go to another level now. Just think that some people are airing on the side of caution before hailing potential new investors as saviours. Everyone did that last time and we looked like tits.

to be honest i've never expected DIC to come in and freeze ticket prices, it's how much they'd raise them buy that id look out for.

[4pool]

I don't know why i rise to your Bait,if you'd been told once,you've been told a thousand times,why do you carry on with your pure UNADULTERATED SHITE,your rambling on like a Demented/Jilted Teenager.

The only Reason D.I.C. haven't bought Gillett's shares, is that there not interested in owning 50% of the club,so the Quicker your Fat Headed Texan Twat mate sells up,the quicker Gillett will sell up.

Sorry for taking so long to reply but i've avoided this thread knowing the reception my post would get. Wasn't diissapointed in the least.

Now some others may know your sources but i don't.

So I will ask a very simple question.

It has been reported time and again about DIC making an offer to Gillett for his half. Gillett has accepted. Hicks was given time to match that offer. Gillett was quoted as saying, Hicks failed to cross the finish line.

So why hasn't DIC bought Gilletts half?

Personally it should be a moot point and a weak excuse that DIC/Dubai Holding don't want to own our club in halves. Many a poster have speculated once DIC gets in they can force Hicks out.

But you of course have now taken on the DIC spokemans role and claimed DIC don't want half it's all or nothing.  Which is news in and of itself.

Which of course flies in the face of the other negotiations of Hicks letting DIC in at 49% and Hicks getting 1 %. Which DIC were more than willing to discuss only 2 months ago. Those negotiations failed because of demands by DIC.

Now Gillett, apparently, is clear to sell to DIC and the news is either Gillett is wanting more ( and considering he's accepted an offer-- that isn't very plausible unless you just want to beleive any ol' reason) or DIC is willing to freeze Gillett out until Hicks accepts the same offer. Which is a change from all that's been reported which is Gillett accepted DICs offer.

[Peeker]

The problem i think is that both Hicks or Gillett have the power to prevent each other from selling out to D.I.C or anyone else up until a certain date which i dont think any of us know.

If D.I.C bought 49% of the shares then i would expect them to want a powerful influence at board level, which is fair enough but Hicks wanted them to invest but wouldnt allow them to have a say in the running of the club.

So basically...Hicks wanted D.I.C to pay for the stadium, the interest on their loan, and create a transfer kitty yet not allow them a say on important decisions....If thats the case then D.I.C have every right to tell the fat yank c*nt to fuck right off.

I wouldnt be surprised if D.I.C have abandoned all interest in buying our club..I hope im wrong but i can see those 2 fucking yank tumours to be in charge of our club for years to come.

The only thing we an do is hit them in the pocket by boycotting any merchandise and protesting against them at matches.

[Tyler Durden]

Funny you 4pool, your forever banging on about how your 'neutral' and dont care who owns us as long as its sorted yet you continously fight their corner with bullshit arguments, you manipulate media reports one minute then dismiss others with unbelievable arrogance at times. Well as was 'reported' the reason dic couldnt get the 49% was because it was 'reported' Hicks wanted nothing to do with fan representation on the board so pulled the plug. See the spin works both ways.  The clubs name has been tarnished badly this year with the press and your two friends having a big hand in it, never mind the astronomical debt, or the rumours of meeting the NWDA over groundshare or any other number of incidents. For that alone no fan of this club should want them here any longer, that is unless theyre being paid (which your not) or some sort of national loyalty (which i think is the case)

[fry]

Funny you 4pool, your forever banging on about how your 'neutral' and dont care who owns us as long as its sorted yet you continously fight their corner with bullshit arguments, you manipulate media reports one minute then dismiss others with unbelievable arrogance at times. Well as was 'reported' the reason dic couldnt get the 49% was because it was 'reported' Hicks wanted nothing to do with fan representation on the board so pulled the plug. See the spin works both ways.  The clubs name has been tarnished badly this year with the press and your two friends having a big hand in it, never mind the astronomical debt, or the rumours of meeting the NWDA over groundshare or any other number of incidents. For that alone no fan of this club should want them here any longer, that is unless theyre being paid (which your not) or some sort of national loyalty (which i think is the case)

100% the case, i know allot of American fans are opposed to hicks but 4pool is patriotic to the bone, he spouts how he was from liverpool or his parents were etc and that he has a connection to liverpool, but in reality his only connection is to hicks which makes him one of many things i don't care to mention.

G+H's ownership is as black and white as arguments go, they ARE liars, they ARE c*nts, they ARE hated by 99% of the fans they will NEVER be made welcome, 4pool will NEVER change our minds, 4pool speaks from the CRACK of hicks ass.

NOTE: I would say 100% of fans hate him but there has to be a margin for error and stupidity

[In the Name of Klopp]

G+H's ownership is as black and white as arguments go, they ARE liars, they ARE c*nts, they ARE hated by 99% of the fans they will NEVER be made welcome, 4pool will NEVER change our minds, 4pool speaks from the CRACK of hicks ass.

[flynnyyy]

100% the case, i know allot of American fans are opposed to hicks but 4pool is patriotic to the bone, he spouts how he was from liverpool or his parents were etc and that he has a connection to liverpool, but in reality his only connection is to hicks which makes him one of many things i don't care to mention.

G+H's ownership is as black and white as arguments go, they ARE liars, they ARE c*nts, they ARE hated by 99% of the fans they will NEVER be made welcome, 4pool will NEVER change our minds, 4pool speaks from the CRACK of hicks ass.

NOTE: I would say 100% of fans hate him but there has to be a margin for error and stupidity

Funny you 4pool, your forever banging on about how your 'neutral' and dont care who owns us as long as its sorted yet you continously fight their corner with bullshit arguments, you manipulate media reports one minute then dismiss others with unbelievable arrogance at times. Well as was 'reported' the reason dic couldnt get the 49% was because it was 'reported' Hicks wanted nothing to do with fan representation on the board so pulled the plug. See the spin works both ways.  The clubs name has been tarnished badly this year with the press and your two friends having a big hand in it, never mind the astronomical debt, or the rumours of meeting the NWDA over groundshare or any other number of incidents. For that alone no fan of this club should want them here any longer, that is unless theyre being paid (which your not) or some sort of national loyalty (which i think is the case)

  Couldn't have put it better myself.

It doesn't take long for people to see through 4pool does it?  You two have only been registered a couple of months and already realise how much utter shite 4pool spouts.  Clearly has an agenda.

[lfctitch]

Its also funny that other than 4pool and the odd poster; the majority of the Hicks love comes from brand new posters; who soon dissapear of the board altogether only to be renamed and another sprouting Hicks Love.

When will the PR companies that Hicks has working for him realise that Hicks can buy us Kaka and claim a maximum of 2 fans back; he can build us this great stadium and claim another 2 fans back. But he will never ever claw back a majority of fans.

Remember the celebrations when Thatcher lost the elections in the 1990's; this is the same reaction Liverpool fans will have when Hicks eventually leaves.

If I were you Hicks I would sell up now; because we won't be won over like you managed with fans from your American sports teams.

4pool and the other posters; why should we trust Hicks? Why should we give him the time of day?

Look what he did at Corinthians and you ask one fan of theres what they think of this monster; and they will hate him; why should we think any different? This man is evil; he is willing to send his own son into the lions den; I don't blame the fans that got angry; because I feel that anger; like HarryLabredor and Lyndsey; I know that we can't keep going on with these owners.

Its Lies; more Lies and more Lies. Time for Hicks and Gillett to go

[jaymc]

I know what you are saying and I agree, I just don't see it going any other way though, do you?

Maybe there is no other way, just makes me sick. A wage cap of say 15 grand a week. They could get by on that couldn't they and still make dough on the side off sponsers and what have you. Dont have much of a clue of economics but surely that could afford them to half the ticket prices, which would then still be well above the rate of inflation.

[jonnygeeart]

if dic stood for dallas investment consortium 4pool would be backing them to the hilt,likewise if hicks was arab he would be the worst thing thats ever to happen to the club.His loyalty to the stars and stripes is scary but not surprising

[fry]

  Couldn't have put it better myself.

It doesn't take long for people to see through 4pool does it?  You two have only been registered a couple of months and already realise how much utter shite 4pool spouts.  Clearly has an agenda.

I read 4pools previous posts from time to time when i need a chuckle,

[fry]

if dic stood for dallas investment consortium 4pool would be backing them to the hilt,likewise if hicks was arab he would be the worst thing thats ever to happen to the club.His loyalty to the stars and stripes is scary but not surprising

too true, i only speak for my self here but for me anyway it is club before country!!! im sure allot of you feel the same!

[flynnyyy]

Maybe there is no other way, just makes me sick. A wage cap of say 15 grand a week. They could get by on that couldn't they and still make dough on the side off sponsers and what have you. Dont have much of a clue of economics but surely that could afford them to half the ticket prices, which would then still be well above the rate of inflation.

we wouldnt get the players though if all we offered was that sort of wage.  Look at how much Madrid are supposedly offering Ronaldo.  We'd have no chance.

[jaymc]

we wouldnt get the players though if all we offered was that sort of wage.  Look at how much Madrid are supposedly offering Ronaldo.  We'd have no chance.

I know. Thats why i dont think i can be arsed with it anymore.