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Re: Charters - 2 WCS Dreamliner Flights + 1 WCS A350 Cancelled. See OP
« Reply #320 on: May 25, 2018, 06:42:01 pm »
It's done by a process similar to that of the Olympics, I tried to look to see who the other candidates were but can't find anything.

they only have these issues when us or Utd qualify for a final

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« Reply #321 on: May 25, 2018, 06:42:45 pm »
they only have these issues when us or Utd qualify for a final

How do you know that and why would it only be us and United?

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Re: Charters - 2 WCS Dreamliner Flights + 1 WCS A350 Cancelled. See OP
« Reply #322 on: May 25, 2018, 06:43:27 pm »
It's done by a process similar to that of the Olympics, I tried to look to see who the other candidates were but can't find anything.
The open bidding process only started for the 2019 final mate.

This year was decided by an executive committee

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« Reply #323 on: May 25, 2018, 06:44:41 pm »
The open bidding process only started for the 2019 final mate.

This year was decided by an executive committee

OK, I thought it had started a few seasons before.

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Re: Charters - 2 WCS Dreamliner Flights + 1 WCS A350 Cancelled. See OP
« Reply #324 on: May 25, 2018, 06:48:12 pm »
MYRIAD Travel in Liverpool just put this on facebook - We are sorry to advise that FLIGHT No.1 (SVB116) to KIEV has been cancelled by our supplier JTA in the last few hours. We have been desperately trying to source an alternative but none are available. Flight refunds will be issued ASAP. THE OTHER 3 FLIGHTS ARE NOT AFFECTED

This is going from bad to worse .

5 flights cancelled this week as far as I know ( but 1 reinstated ).

Gutted for anyone affected . I've hit a big fucking bluey , and hope I can snap out of it by the time the game kicks off .
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Re: Charters - 2 WCS Dreamliner Flights + 1 WCS A350 Cancelled. See OP
« Reply #325 on: May 25, 2018, 06:48:35 pm »
It's done by a process similar to that of the Olympics, I tried to look to see who the other candidates were but can't find anything.

Then 2018 final was awarded by committee meeting rather than any form of application process

Here is the UEFA announcement back in 2016

https://www.uefa.com/uefachampionsleague/news/newsid=2397994.html

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Re: Charters - 2 WCS Dreamliner Flights + 1 WCS A350 Cancelled. See OP
« Reply #326 on: May 25, 2018, 06:52:19 pm »
they only have these issues when us or Utd qualify for a final
How do you know that and why would it only be us and United?

I presume he means in terms in numbers of supporters who would travel?


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« Reply #327 on: May 25, 2018, 06:53:03 pm »
I presume he means in terms in numbers of supporters who would travel?

But wouldn't similar numbers travel for other big clubs?

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Re: Charters - 2 WCS Dreamliner Flights + 1 WCS A350 Cancelled. See OP
« Reply #328 on: May 25, 2018, 06:53:28 pm »
Absolutely gutted for everyone affected by these cancellations.

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« Reply #329 on: May 25, 2018, 07:03:43 pm »
The difficulty of getting there is UEFA's fault but these cancellations are purely the company's fault .. nobody elses!

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Re: Charters - 2 WCS Dreamliner Flights + 1 WCS A350 Cancelled. See OP
« Reply #330 on: May 25, 2018, 07:05:16 pm »
But wouldn't similar numbers travel for other big clubs?

I couldn't see Man City or Chelsea taking the sort of numbers that the Mancs or we do to any European final. Nor any other big club elsewhere in Europe, as it seems to be a British thing. Only Celtic or Rangers would take the sort of numbers that Liverpool do.

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« Reply #331 on: May 25, 2018, 07:05:25 pm »
Simon Calder on the independent website has the time line of events

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« Reply #332 on: May 25, 2018, 07:06:08 pm »
Hope all these operators have to pay out EU261 compo

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Re: Charters - 2 WCS Dreamliner Flights + 1 WCS A350 Cancelled. See OP
« Reply #333 on: May 25, 2018, 07:41:12 pm »
Hope all these operators have to pay out EU261 compo

Dont think that applies to Charter flights only scheduled.

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« Reply #334 on: May 25, 2018, 07:42:34 pm »
Dont think that applies to Charter flights only scheduled.

No, it's both - https://www.refund.me/eu-flight-rights/.

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« Reply #335 on: May 25, 2018, 07:44:09 pm »
Cardiff to Venice. Venice to Kiev (arrives at 18.10) comes out at around £450. May be of use to someone

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« Reply #336 on: May 25, 2018, 08:39:10 pm »
Glasgow or Southend to Budapest.
Then onwards to kiev

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« Reply #337 on: May 25, 2018, 08:43:01 pm »
How do you know that and why would it only be us and United?

only us and Utd have a crazy amount of fans who will travel all over the world to be at a final. Celtic would have a decent following but not sure it would be the same numbers as us.If we ever play them in a European final the city wouldnt be able to cope.  Just look tomorrow night when the ground will be 3/4 red as was athens Istanbul and Basel for the Europa

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Re: Charters - 2 WCS Dreamliner Flights + 1 WCS A350 Cancelled. See OP
« Reply #338 on: May 25, 2018, 08:43:09 pm »
Anyone in the Hilton Manchester airport tonight? See you in the bar in 15

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« Reply #339 on: May 25, 2018, 09:13:59 pm »
Anyone getting the Thomas Cook leaving at 8.40am from near the city centre fancy sharing a cab or something?
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« Reply #340 on: May 25, 2018, 09:42:02 pm »
Anyone getting the Thomas Cook leaving at 8.40am from near the city centre fancy sharing a cab or something?

Is that flight OK 6514?
If so I'll be driving through town to the airport so could give you a lift.

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« Reply #341 on: May 25, 2018, 10:17:50 pm »
Is that flight OK 6514?
If so I'll be driving through town to the airport so could give you a lift.

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« Reply #342 on: May 25, 2018, 10:47:50 pm »
Yes, that's a different flight, a bit earlier.
Have a good trip.

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« Reply #343 on: May 26, 2018, 01:56:02 am »
Yes, that's a different flight, a bit earlier.
Have a good trip.

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Re: Charters - 2 WCS Dreamliner Flights + 1 WCS A350 Cancelled. See OP
« Reply #344 on: May 26, 2018, 05:15:56 am »
Well, it could be worse...

The missus has pointed out that now I've saved the expense, I can pay for us to go on holiday in June.

With her mother.


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That's so very sad.
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« Reply #345 on: May 26, 2018, 06:07:22 am »
fuck off with that.

Someone at the club needs to sort this fucking shite out right fucking now!

what did we get £70m odd for getting there, they can't spare a tiny fucking portion of that to help these people out?

Are people getting onto henry about this? don't know if much protesting for help will do much but fuck me this is so so unfair.

Whilst I understand the frustration I’m not sure what the club can do. I’m pretty certain if it was that easy they’d sort it. It is horrendous for anyone affected but it’s not the clubs fault.
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« Reply #346 on: May 26, 2018, 09:09:03 am »
Whilst I understand the frustration I’m not sure what the club can do. I’m pretty certain if it was that easy they’d sort it. It is horrendous for anyone affected but it’s not the clubs fault.

Sorry mate but I completely disagree. The club have earned a shit tone of money this year and the very least they could have done on Thursday was to set up flights to a nearby country, even France or Germany then offered coaches. Or even offered coaches on Thursday to anyone with a ticket. Even if they could only source a handful, even if it was so last minute some people couldn’t make it, anything.

I was lucky enough to go to Istanbul and I know how gut wrenching it will have been for some fans to miss out going to this. Not only that but to be thrown away by companies desperate to make money hand over fist by exploiting them. The fans have travelled Europe over and at home to get us to the final and it honestly leaves a bad taste in my mouth when all that’s offered from the club is a refund of tickets. More could have been done with the resources the club have at their disposal and I think the whole situation is just so unbelievably unfair.

I know worse things can happen and all said and done the fans who missed out I’m sure will have a great time tonight wherever but I just can’t stand companies acting this way and then nothing is done about it either to help or as action against them.

Sorry mate this was mostly a rant at the situation not at you by the way  :D

Anyway, just hope more is done about this situation in the coming weeks to prevent things like this happening again at least.

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Re: Charters - 2 WCS Dreamliner Flights + 1 WCS A350 Cancelled. See OP
« Reply #347 on: May 26, 2018, 11:16:06 am »

Spot on ^^^

The club did very little - more of a token gesture if anything . The fact that Joe Anderson did more than anybody else in this shit affair speaks volumes .

The responsibility ultimately stops at the greedy fuckers at the travel companies ( and UEFA for giving it to Kiev ) , but LFC's input into the whole travel side of it was minimal.

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« Reply #348 on: May 26, 2018, 11:39:23 am »
Spot on ^^^

The club did very little - more of a token gesture if anything . The fact that Joe Anderson did more than anybody else in this shit affair speaks volumes .

The responsibility ultimately stops at the greedy fuckers at the travel companies ( and UEFA for giving it to Kiev ) , but LFC's input into the whole travel side of it was minimal.
the problem with the club stepping in is that you’ll have the same travel operators (and new ones) pulling the same shit next time we get to a European final and overbooking without having the planes/landing slots fully in the knowledge the club will cover their arses when the club shouldn’t be a last minute travel guarantor for them
Sorry mate but I completely disagree. The club have earned a shit tone of money this year and the very least they could have done on Thursday was to set up flights to a nearby country, even France or Germany then offered coaches. Or even offered coaches on Thursday to anyone with a ticket. Even if they could only source a handful, even if it was so last minute some people couldn’t make it, anything.
coaches don’t help those who couldn’t fly out before today, and Thomas cook were saying it was difficult to get aircraft so how could the club? And sorting out coach travel isn’t as easy as say hiring a car is it, especially when your trade is football club not travel operator

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« Reply #349 on: May 26, 2018, 11:58:12 am »
Dont think that applies to Charter flights only scheduled.

def applies to charters too

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« Reply #350 on: May 26, 2018, 12:45:52 pm »
Utter bastards


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« Reply #351 on: May 26, 2018, 12:46:58 pm »
Hoping all of todays flights are getting over there without problems.
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« Reply #352 on: May 26, 2018, 12:47:17 pm »
the problem with the club stepping in is that you’ll have the same travel operators (and new ones) pulling the same shit next time we get to a European final and overbooking without having the planes/landing slots fully in the knowledge the club will cover their arses when the club shouldn’t be a last minute travel guarantor for themcoaches don’t help those who couldn’t fly out before today, and Thomas cook were saying it was difficult to get aircraft so how could the club? And sorting out coach travel isn’t as easy as say hiring a car is it, especially when your trade is football club not travel operator

Not looking for the club to be some kind of guarantor . The point is preparations and planning should have been in place when reaching the final became a possibility . Sourcing possible charters , clarification of avaiable slots etc . As far as I know , they approached TC when the we actualy qualified , who were able to source the grand total of 4 flights , so around 1000 flights for an anticipated travelling support of 20,000 plus .

WCS were sselling flights without guaranteed slots , and Liverpool would ( or should ) have been aware of this . WCS were playing games thinking they could bully the slots out of Kiev , but it didn't turn out that way . If people would have known beforehand , alternative arrangements could have been made . Finalised slot deadlines were supposedly a week ago , so a decsion on this should have been last weekend one way or the other.

Unfortunately , other factors ahve been at play in all of this , one of the major ones being the final being played over the bank holiday weekend , which obviously affect the availabilty of available aircraft.

Yes , LFC are not toally responsible for this , but they do bear some responsibilty . The club are not a travel agent , but they are a huge commercial operation.
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« Reply #353 on: May 26, 2018, 01:15:35 pm »
The problem the club has is it has no power whatsoever to manage what travel operators offer what flights. They simply cannot manage that as it's way beyond their power to do so.

They should maybe look, next time, at offering a lot of flights direct via the club (in partnership with TC if needs be) but then the issue is if the airport you're flying into is so inequipped to accept the sheer number (and size) of planes required then the club will get no preference over another operator to allow those flights to have a landing spot and the same problems will occur.

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« Reply #354 on: May 26, 2018, 01:34:42 pm »
Just reading the echo and seen this



Fucking hell.

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« Reply #355 on: May 26, 2018, 01:39:01 pm »
Correct on both counts Craig .

On your second point , at least if the club were more involved , there would be more transparency of the actual state of affairs and people could plan accordingly.

No reason why the club can't partner with a reputable agency to do this .

Not the biggest fan of TC , but I did want to book a flight through them as at least you have a big name involved with it's associated clout. but when it was impossible to book through TC , decided that when the opportunity came up with WCS to book it ( which didn't end well ).I think the following day the TC flight tickets became available again.

Even the situation with TC was a farce . They made the flights available to anyone , tickets or not . They then decided , in consultation with the club , that people who had booked but not successful in the ballot would not be able to travel. The webiste llnk was  merely displaing a message for days saying info coming soon .

What can people do in such a unorganised situation ?
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Re: Charters - 2 WCS Dreamliner Flights + 1 WCS A350 Cancelled. See OP
« Reply #356 on: May 26, 2018, 01:40:00 pm »
Just reading the echo and seen this



Fucking hell.

For some reason can't see it . What is it ?
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« Reply #357 on: May 26, 2018, 01:43:10 pm »
The club are partnered with a reputable agency, for all our gripes with tc they are far better than world choice sports, but the club can’t bail out tom dick and harry travel who they’ve got no relationship with

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« Reply #358 on: May 26, 2018, 01:44:37 pm »
For some reason can't see it . What is it ?

Ad at the bottom of the page saying ‘good luck Liverpool and a big THANK YOU, To all our customers - have a great time in Kiev’ - woldchoicesports.com

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« Reply #359 on: May 26, 2018, 01:49:16 pm »
Ad at the bottom of the page saying ‘good luck Liverpool and a big THANK YOU, To all our customers - have a great time in Kiev’ - woldchoicesports.com

Ha - you couldn't make it up !
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