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Re: Liverpool's Midfield
« Reply #8040 on: March 19, 2015, 10:38:47 am »
With regards to Ings, I think Brendan is determined to have a striker who offers something 'different'. Sturridge, Sterling and Origi are pretty much cut from the same cloth. I still think that 'different' striker should be Balotelli but I think it is becoming increasingly likely that Brendan will cut his losses and move him on.

Well, for one, 'different' lead to 21 points out of 48 in the first half of the season, partially down to 'different' not fitting in the system, and partially down to Balotelli being an awful finisher.

Besides, Ings is hardly 'different', he offers a bit more hold up play than Sterling, but his game is based on the same speed, fluidity and movement that we desire, and a bit more striking nous.

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Re: Liverpool's Midfield
« Reply #8041 on: March 19, 2015, 10:44:02 am »
Can we rename the thread to 'The strikers we have or might have' thread please?!
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Re: Liverpool's Midfield
« Reply #8042 on: March 19, 2015, 11:05:39 am »
Some twats on twitter saying Henderson turned down an 80k per week contract, is there actually any truth to this or is it the usual twitter bollocks?

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Re: Liverpool's Midfield
« Reply #8043 on: March 19, 2015, 11:07:37 am »
Some twats on twitter saying Henderson turned down an 80k per week contract, is there actually any truth to this or is it the usual twitter bollocks?

Echo reported it, says that he asked for 120, but all parties (Henderson, agent, club) want to reach a solution

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/jordan-henderson-liverpool-captaincy-talk-8870201

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Re: Liverpool's Midfield
« Reply #8044 on: March 19, 2015, 11:08:01 am »
Some twats on twitter saying Henderson turned down an 80k per week contract, is there actually any truth to this or is it the usual twitter bollocks?

I would if I was Hendo too.

Lest we forget it's only a couple years since we had, Downing, Cole, Carroll etc. on the level of coin.

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Re: Liverpool's Midfield
« Reply #8045 on: March 19, 2015, 11:12:57 am »
Echo reported it, says that he asked for 120, but all parties (Henderson, agent, club) want to reach a solution

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/jordan-henderson-liverpool-captaincy-talk-8870201

Eugh....

I would if I was Hendo too.

Lest we forget it's only a couple years since we had, Downing, Cole, Carroll etc. on the level of coin.

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True, fucking annoying though as Coutinho who has a much higher ceiling and potential signed a 70k per week deal.. then we are having issues with other players.

Would just be nice for it all to be kept out of the media spotlight and sorted, rather than this.

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Re: Liverpool's Midfield
« Reply #8046 on: March 19, 2015, 11:15:18 am »
Lads, can we put contract chat in here?

http://www.redandwhitekop.com/forum/index.php?topic=320431.0

I think this thread is really to talk about football in.

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Re: Liverpool's Midfield
« Reply #8047 on: March 19, 2015, 11:23:09 am »
We are adding Origi as well, so it's two players already. And how many of our cheap punts have saved us money (acccounting for wages) and how much time haven't we wasted by loaning out and/or trying to make deals, with the likes of Lambert, Aspas, and Borini? Sure, any signing can fail, but then seeing as we have 6 good players already, it isn't a disaster if one does. We could still get by, certainly if Sturridge is fit more than he has been this season. Maybe someone from the acadamy steps up, like Ibe has recently.

And what if Ings and 'new striker' fails? Then were stuck with them over pretty long contracts and have them on our books for more time than we'd like. We failed with Balotelli AND Lambert last season, Aspas was loaned out after a year at the club, and Borini still hangs around doing practically nothing for us, after a loan, and after we wanted him to go. No signing is without risk, not even those who are 'free'. If Ings is a good player who is capable of replacing Sturridge when he is out, by all means, buy him. But please don't add him for some (often false) sense of security. We have the depth, we have talented youngsters we can play a game here and there, we have a rather settled squad, and not infinate amounts of money. Use what we have on fees and wages, on as few players as possible this summer. That would be my idea.
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Re: Liverpool's Midfield
« Reply #8048 on: March 19, 2015, 11:58:07 am »
Lambert's playing the role that he was bought for exactly, how did he fail?
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Re: Liverpool's Midfield
« Reply #8049 on: March 19, 2015, 12:00:55 pm »
If Ings is a good player who is capable of replacing Sturridge when he is out, by all means, buy him.
Then we agree! ;D

Price would obviously be a factor in choosing Ings over Striker X, but I definitely think he'd be on the list even if he had 4 years left on his contract.

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Re: Liverpool's Midfield
« Reply #8050 on: March 19, 2015, 12:10:09 pm »
How did this become the forward thread of the transfer forum?
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Re: Liverpool's Midfield
« Reply #8051 on: March 19, 2015, 12:12:23 pm »
How did this become the forward thread of the transfer forum?

Managed to get rid of all the tedious contract shite at least.
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Re: Liverpool's Midfield
« Reply #8052 on: March 19, 2015, 12:27:53 pm »
Managed to get rid of all the tedious contract shite at least.

Saw that. Thanks.

I was originally opposed to killing the player threads, but the level of discussion in here convinced me otherwise. :)

To be fair, our system now uses sometimes 4 AMs and Can in defence...so the lines get blurred. But  I don't understand how we get to Danny Ings from that...
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Re: Liverpool's Midfield
« Reply #8053 on: March 19, 2015, 12:56:31 pm »
Saw that. Thanks.

I was originally opposed to killing the player threads, but the level of discussion in here convinced me otherwise. :)

To be fair, our system now uses sometimes 4 AMs and Can in defence...so the lines get blurred. But  I don't understand how we get to Danny Ings from that...

Some of the 'trouble' is because of our current system - we have a lot of midfielders. When we play 3-4-3, we sometimes use Moreno as the left wing-back and sometimes we use Lallana, Sterling or Markovic and even Ibe. Sterling has also been used up front, which means sometimes we class him as a wing-back/defender, sometimes he's a midfielder and sometimes he's a striker. For Can it's similar. Most would say he's a midfielder playing in defence, but we need to take into account that he's used in different roles. When we begin to talk about how we can improve our midfield, we need to consider a lot of things. Do we class Can as a defender or midfielder? Both? What about Moreno, Sterling, Lallana, Ibe and Markovic?

Our system is fluid and it means we need to be somewhat fluid in our discussions too.

If I try and restrict 'midfield', I'd limit it to our CMs. And moving on from there, it doesn't matter so much to me if we play 3-4-3 or 4-3-3. Overall, I think we'd be fine with 4 CMs. That is Henderson, Allen, Lucas and Can. As such, CM is not an area to worry about. If we limit it to that group, Gerrard is a 5th option this season. Next season that could well be a young player and we'd be sorted. We could even keep playing Can in defence and be alright.

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Re: Liverpool's Midfield
« Reply #8054 on: March 19, 2015, 01:02:39 pm »
Some of the 'trouble' is because of our current system - we have a lot of midfielders. When we play 3-4-3, we sometimes use Moreno as the left wing-back and sometimes we use Lallana, Sterling or Markovic and even Ibe. Sterling has also been used up front, which means sometimes we class him as a wing-back/defender, sometimes he's a midfielder and sometimes he's a striker. For Can it's similar. Most would say he's a midfielder playing in defence, but we need to take into account that he's used in different roles. When we begin to talk about how we can improve our midfield, we need to consider a lot of things. Do we class Can as a defender or midfielder? Both? What about Moreno, Sterling, Lallana, Ibe and Markovic?

Our system is fluid and it means we need to be somewhat fluid in our discussions too.

If I try and restrict 'midfield', I'd limit it to our CMs. And moving on from there, it doesn't matter so much to me if we play 3-4-3 or 4-3-3. Overall, I think we'd be fine with 4 CMs. That is Henderson, Allen, Lucas and Can. As such, CM is not an area to worry about. If we limit it to that group, Gerrard is a 5th option this season. Next season that could well be a young player and we'd be sorted. We could even keep playing Can in defence and be alright.

I'd go along with that, but clearly Danny Ings isn't going to be used at Wing-Back or CM, is he? Or is he?
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Re: Liverpool's Midfield
« Reply #8055 on: March 19, 2015, 01:11:19 pm »
I would if I was Hendo too.

Lest we forget it's only a couple years since we had, Downing, Cole, Carroll etc. on the level of coin.

Future Captain, England regular, CL level.

Not in a million years.. 80k for a start, that sounds absolutely right to me.

I am glad the club refuses to pay silly wages like we did in the past, those days are gone and it was about time.

No matter if it's Stevie, Sterling or Hendo, there is a clear policy from the club in terms of value and wages and there shouldn't be any exceptions to the rule...
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Re: Liverpool's Midfield
« Reply #8056 on: March 19, 2015, 01:18:32 pm »
I've never understood the keep threads on topic ultras, and I think the discussion in the thread in the last couple pages has flowed naturally out of a relevant topic and has been not worse than usual, but we also can talk about strikers somewhere else if people really care that much.
I'd go along with that, but clearly Danny Ings isn't going to be used at Wing-Back or CM, is he? Or is he?
Wouldn't bet against him having a few games at left wingback if he came. :)

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Re: Liverpool's Midfield
« Reply #8057 on: March 19, 2015, 01:32:45 pm »
I'd go along with that, but clearly Danny Ings isn't going to be used at Wing-Back or CM, is he? Or is he?

I doubt that. I'll respond about Ings in the thread about Liverpool's attack.

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Re: Liverpool's Midfield
« Reply #8058 on: March 19, 2015, 01:35:02 pm »
I've never understood the keep threads on topic ultras, and I think the discussion in the thread in the last couple pages has flowed naturally out of a relevant topic and has been not worse than usual, but we also can talk about strikers somewhere else if people really care that much.

I'm not an ultra, but when you have to go back four or five pages to find any real discussion of the thread topic, maybe it's better to take the conversation elsewhere.

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Re: Liverpool's Midfield
« Reply #8059 on: March 19, 2015, 02:59:21 pm »
Jobi Alenso the maestro of our midfield.
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Re: Liverpool's Midfield
« Reply #8060 on: March 19, 2015, 06:07:07 pm »
Jobi Alenso the maestro of our midfield.

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Re: Liverpool's Midfield
« Reply #8061 on: March 19, 2015, 08:20:45 pm »
Jobi Alenso the maestro of our midfield.

Jovi Allnandez  ;D

can't we just let him be Joe Allen?
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« Reply #8062 on: March 19, 2015, 10:05:09 pm »
can't we just let him be Joe Allen?

Who's that?
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Re: Liverpool's Midfield
« Reply #8063 on: March 19, 2015, 11:10:11 pm »
Who's that?

Tidy midfielder we have, been playing well recently. Maybe you missed him because he was average as hell for most of the past two seasons?  had crazy expectations put on him because the gaffer called him the Welsh Xavi, now he's finally starting to show another level to his game and playing like the player we knew was in there somewhere in the midst of all that often mindless sideways passing and people are coming up with crazy labels and comparing him to arguably two of the best central midfielders of the past 20 years. That Joe Allen.  :wave
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Re: Liverpool's Midfield
« Reply #8064 on: March 20, 2015, 04:15:46 am »
I'd go along with that, but clearly Danny Ings isn't going to be used at Wing-Back or CM, is he? Or is he?

Nah, he's clearly Mignolet's replacement... :)

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« Reply #8065 on: March 20, 2015, 04:26:48 am »
Nah, he's clearly Mignolet's replacement... :)

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« Reply #8066 on: March 20, 2015, 04:40:07 am »
can't we just let him be Joe Allen?

It's Yo Allen in Spanish
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« Reply #8067 on: March 20, 2015, 04:45:12 am »
It's Yo Allen in Spanish

Does that mean it was "Joe MTV Raps" in English?
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« Reply #8068 on: March 20, 2015, 08:08:12 am »
It's Yo Allen in Spanish

Wouldn't it be Ho Allen in Spanish? That might also get him on MTV.

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Re: Liverpool's Midfield
« Reply #8069 on: March 20, 2015, 01:37:49 pm »
http://www.theguardian.com/football/2015/mar/19/adam-lallana-liverpool-reward-manchester-united?

Decent wee interview with Lallana here. He comes across as quite an astute fella when he's interviewed by the papers or on the telly doesn't he?

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« Reply #8070 on: March 21, 2015, 02:22:08 am »
http://www.theguardian.com/football/2015/mar/19/adam-lallana-liverpool-reward-manchester-united?

Decent wee interview with Lallana here. He comes across as quite an astute fella when he's interviewed by the papers or on the telly doesn't he?
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Re: Liverpool's Midfield
« Reply #8071 on: March 22, 2015, 03:44:31 pm »
What do people make of Henderson and Allen's performance today?

That first half was the worst I've seen from both in a really long time. Second half was better.

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« Reply #8072 on: March 22, 2015, 03:52:04 pm »
Very poor game by Allen today, completely lacking the composure we needed in that first half. Along with Moreno, quite possibly our worst performer on the day (not including Gerrard) and that's saying something.

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« Reply #8073 on: March 22, 2015, 03:54:10 pm »
It's days like this that really reaffirm the priority areas to sort out in the summer. A new central midfielder and a new wide player, as good as we can get, have to be brought in.

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« Reply #8074 on: March 22, 2015, 03:54:51 pm »
Could of done with Lucas starting instead of either Henderson/Allen today.

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« Reply #8075 on: March 22, 2015, 03:56:59 pm »
we need some proper midfielders with balls, intelligence and talent
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« Reply #8076 on: March 22, 2015, 03:57:46 pm »
Why didn't he bring Lucas on for Lallana? We just needed to get a grip of the game in midfield and a bit of control but we decide at half time Gerrard has to be the hero. We needed to get a foothold in the game first.
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« Reply #8077 on: March 22, 2015, 04:01:17 pm »
What do people make of Henderson and Allen's performance today?

That first half was the worst I've seen from both in a really long time. Second half was better.
Worst in a long time. Especially Henderson who went hiding. Very disappointing.

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« Reply #8078 on: March 22, 2015, 04:03:38 pm »
Worst in a long time. Especially Henderson who went hiding. Very disappointing.

We were outnumbered. Carrick, Herrera, Fellaini and plus others who helped their midfield out. We had Allen and Henderson that was it.
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« Reply #8079 on: March 22, 2015, 04:06:02 pm »
We were outnumbered. Carrick, Herrera, Fellaini and plus others who helped their midfield out. We had Allen and Henderson that was it.
And Lallana and Coutinho. The problem wasn't really that we were outnumbered in midfield (certainly in the first half)
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