Author Topic: FA cup tickets stolen. (Read 104748 times)

Danny Boys Dad · « **Reply #40 on:** May 5, 2006, 10:19:24 pm »

Can't see them making it up to be honest, they'd have to have the cooperation of the royal mail for a start and why would they want people to believe that their supposed "special delivery" was so easy to knock over? Hardly inspires customer confidence does it?

Plus there's all the calls that the TO are going to get over the weekend when they should be doing the ballot, why would they want to bring all that on themselves?

If they have made it up it's a shitty trick and they want their arses kicking for it. There's plenty of other ways they could have tried to deter people from buying black market tickets. Wasn't there one a while back about blanks going missing from the printers?

Murf · « **Reply #41 on:** May 5, 2006, 10:19:32 pm »

Whats a load of rubbish, they done the post box in with a JCB, fucking hell, it was all over the Echo and loca news, fuckin bollocks.

Danny Boys Dad · « **Reply #42 on:** May 5, 2006, 10:21:24 pm »

Quote from: Murf on May 5, 2006, 10:19:32 pm

Whats a load of rubbish, they done the post box in with a JCB, fucking hell, it was all over the Echo and loca news, fuckin bollocks.

He meant the current "theft", not the one you were talking about.

Joshytoohotty · « **Reply #43 on:** May 5, 2006, 10:21:24 pm »

Quote from: stoz on May 5, 2006, 09:29:01 pm

If tickets have been stolen, then Cardiff will have to issue duplicates. They CHOOSE not to, rather than because they physically can't. But that is because the system has been abused in recent years. I'm sure for stolen tickets they will re-issue.

Agreed.

I'd be very surprised if they didn't and it's incredibly unfair on the people who've had tickets robbed or potentially those in the ballot who will have their allocation eaten into in order to compensate.

Either way the people who have had their tickets robbed should deffo get sorted somehow.

Millie · « **Reply #44 on:** May 5, 2006, 10:27:30 pm »

If the FA provided clubs with enough tickets in the first place then none of this would have happened

Danny Boys Dad · « **Reply #45 on:** May 5, 2006, 10:29:34 pm »

Quote from: Millie on May 5, 2006, 10:27:30 pm

If the FA provided clubs with enough tickets in the first place then none of this would have happened

Of course it would, there are always people who can't get tickets through the proper channels and people who want to take advantage of that.

Unless you're talking about allocations of 40,000 or more

Crouchinho · « **Reply #46 on:** May 5, 2006, 10:30:04 pm »

Quote from: stoz on May 5, 2006, 10:18:18 pm

The tickets are not bar-coded so there is no way of 'stopping' the stolen ones (unless they hand-check every single ticket against a list of stolen ones, which they will not do).

If they are not barcoded, there has to be a way of distinguishing between stolen tickets and real tickets- simply they can produce duplicates but with a different background colour or something.

stoz · « **Reply #47 on:** May 5, 2006, 10:35:17 pm »

Quote from: Crouchinho on May 5, 2006, 10:30:04 pm

If they are not barcoded, there has to be a way of distinguishing between stolen tickets and real tickets- simply they can produce duplicates but with a different background colour or something.

The new ticket will say 'duplicate' or something on. But there is no way of distinguishing a stolen ticket, as the word 'stolen' doesn't magically appear on it when it's been nicked!

Paul Ando · « **Reply #48 on:** May 5, 2006, 10:36:24 pm »

Quote from: stoz on May 5, 2006, 10:18:18 pm

Why?

The tickets are not bar-coded so there is no way of 'stopping' the stolen ones (unless they hand-check every single ticket against a list of stolen ones, which they will not do). Anyone holding a stolen one will still get into the ground. The only problem which could arise is that if two people are in the same seat and one calls over a steward to settle the dispue, then the one with the duplicate will obviously take preference. Basically, if you purchase a ticket from an unofficial source and someone else has the same seat, then don't cause a fuss. Just mingle inconspicuously.

Exactly, if you buy a ticket from outside the ground and think its a dodgy one, get in the ground and stand by yer mates. It's happy days.

liamo3 · « **Reply #49 on:** May 5, 2006, 10:37:58 pm »

Quote from: Crouchinho on May 5, 2006, 10:30:04 pm

If they are not barcoded, there has to be a way of distinguishing between stolen tickets and real tickets- simply they can produce duplicates but with a different background colour or something.

Ring the TO and ask them

Danny Boys Dad · « **Reply #50 on:** May 5, 2006, 10:39:02 pm »

I had assumed that if they knew exact seats that they would be able to give lists to the staff on the relevant turnstiles so that they could check tickets against the list as people came in, maybe have extra staff on etc.

If there is a large number of stolen tickets can you really see them taking no action to try and stop them getting access to the stadium? Would they want to risk a large number of extra people getting in and the potential for disorder inside the stadium as people found their seats were occupied?

Joshytoohotty · « **Reply #51 on:** May 5, 2006, 10:48:28 pm »

Quote from: Danny Boys Dad on May 5, 2006, 10:39:02 pm

I had assumed that if they knew exact seats that they would be able to give lists to the staff on the relevant turnstiles so that they could check tickets against the list as people came in, maybe have extra staff on etc.

If there is a large number of stolen tickets can you really see them taking no action to try and stop them getting access to the stadium? Would they want to risk a large number of extra people getting in and the potential for disorder inside the stadium as people found their seats were occupied?

Imagine the fucking queues at kick-off though.

Dave34 · « **Reply #52 on:** May 5, 2006, 11:28:11 pm »

i was informed by the TO at 1-15 pm today that most of the tickets ordered on wednesday were sent out thursday afternoon/evening delivery saturday or monday IE she said mine were dispatched on thursday ordered weds , the ones that seem to have been taken today must have been from thursdays sales , the club and stadium and the fa must issue duplicates now if this is the case i hope we all get our tickets or the club are in big trouble .

killer1971 · « **Reply #53 on:** May 5, 2006, 11:33:07 pm »

Quote from: Dave34 on May 5, 2006, 11:28:11 pm

i was informed by the TO at 1-15 pm today that most of the tickets ordered on wednesday were sent out thursday afternoon/evening delivery saturday or monday IE she said mine were dispatched on thursday ordered weds , the ones that seem to have been taken today must have been from thursdays sales , the club and stadium and the fa must issue duplicates now if this is the case i hope we all get our tickets or the club are in big trouble .

That would appear to make sense as my order (placed on Wednesday) read as 'ticket to be printed' up until midday on Thursday and then changed to 'Confirmed'. I'm still surprised that tickets sent on Thursday would take as long as Monday to arrive, especially after paying £4.25 for special delivery.

ttnbd · « **Reply #54 on:** May 5, 2006, 11:36:25 pm »

Quote from: Dave34 on May 5, 2006, 11:28:11 pm

or the club are in big trouble .

Why are the club in trouble? There isn't much they can do about some wanker stealing a load of tickets from a mail van. And if the FA were to refuse to issue duplicates then again there is nothing the club can do.

But as soon as the club has a comprehensive list of those tickets stolen duplicates are likely to be issued and sent out or collected. Simple as.

Dave34 · « **Reply #55 on:** May 5, 2006, 11:44:26 pm »

they will be in trouble because they are responsible for the tickets , not only is it a cup final its a lot of money that supporters have payed out, i have payed out over 400 pound for 5 tickets maybe not alot to you but a massive amount for me , it happen at the league cup final i had to go to cardiff with no tickets and pick them up at the rugby club , but now there saying no duplicates so is that our fault or the clubs fault , for me its the clubs fault to sort it out , people cant just be left with no tickets its not on .

ttnbd · « **Reply #56 on:** May 5, 2006, 11:47:46 pm »

Quote from: Dave34 on May 5, 2006, 11:44:26 pm

they will be in trouble because they are responsible for the tickets , not only is it a cup final its a lot of money that supporters have payed out, i have payed out over 400 pound for 5 tickets maybe not alot to you but a massive amount for me , it happen at the league cup final i had to go to cardiff with no tickets and pick them up at the rugby club , but now there saying no duplicates so is that our fault or the clubs fault , for me its the clubs fault to sort it out , people cant just be left with no tickets its not on .

It is the millenium stadium telling lfc and west ham that there will be no duplicates. The club are only passing on the message.

But what more can the club do apart from send tickets out Special Next day delivery? Do you want them to hand deliver every ticket themselves on a silver platter?

Dave34 · « **Reply #57 on:** May 5, 2006, 11:53:22 pm »

what do you want then people with no tickets , the club are ultimately responsible for the tickets if they are going to use phones and online sales its there responsibility not the buyer IE us no fan should miss out who are eligible for tickets .

ttnbd · « **Reply #58 on:** May 5, 2006, 11:57:00 pm »

Quote from: Dave34 on May 5, 2006, 11:53:22 pm

what do you want then people with no tickets , the club are ultimately responsible for the tickets if they are going to use phones and online sales its there responsibility not the buyer IE us no fan should miss out who are eligible for tickets .

You haven't answered the question. What can the club do to ensure all those who ordered a ticket receives it?

What would YOU do different to the way the ticket office have dealt with sending the tickets out?

Special Delivery is supposed to be one of the most secure and fastest ways to send mail in this country.

AJ · « **Reply #59 on:** May 6, 2006, 12:19:22 am »

The only way it could be safer is if the sale of tickets was completely at the window, therefore the fan has their ticket there and then. This wouldn't be practical for a lot of fans though and for other reasons.

Paul Ando · « **Reply #60 on:** May 6, 2006, 12:33:25 am »

Quote from: AJ on May 6, 2006, 12:19:22 am

The only way it could be safer is if the sale of tickets was completely at the window, therefore the fan has their ticket there and then. This wouldn't be practical for a lot of fans though and for other reasons.

They scrapped that idea when they realised the average wool is likly to spend more in LiverWorld than your average Scouse fan.

stewartw · « **Reply #61 on:** May 6, 2006, 12:49:38 am »

Quote from: ttnbd on May 5, 2006, 11:57:00 pm

You haven't answered the question. What can the club do to ensure all those who ordered a ticket receives it?

What would YOU do different to the way the ticket office have dealt with sending the tickets out?

Special Delivery is supposed to be one of the most secure and fastest ways to send mail in this country.

Armed gaurds for the postie from next season!!!

liamo3 · « **Reply #62 on:** May 6, 2006, 12:56:59 am »

Quote from: ttnbd on May 5, 2006, 11:57:00 pm

What would YOU do different to the way the ticket office have dealt with sending the tickets out?

Send them out disguised with fake Everton FC post marks on them.

Joshytoohotty · « **Reply #63 on:** May 6, 2006, 01:12:41 am »

Quote from: liamo3 on May 6, 2006, 12:56:59 am

Send them out disguised with fake Everton FC post marks on them.

Lanrmort · « **Reply #64 on:** May 6, 2006, 03:38:16 am »

Quote from: rodderzzz on May 5, 2006, 09:23:39 pm

wither that or the TO just realise this to put fans off from paying over the odds, and really there are no stolen tickets.

That was my first thought. Seems to happen every year.

Now I'm not saying the idea of a van being had off is implausible of course (!) but it is a strangely common phenomenon.

SMD · « **Reply #65 on:** May 6, 2006, 03:50:30 am »

Quote from: Lanrmort on May 6, 2006, 03:38:16 am

That was my first thought. Seems to happen every year.

Maybe because the FA Cup final happens every year?

Fanxxxxtastic · « **Reply #66 on:** May 6, 2006, 08:05:33 am »

I guess we will find out how true this is very soon, when some peoples tickets turn up this morning in the post and other peoples don't.

I hope it's not to many that got stolen and the problems will all be sorted out.

Miracle@Istanbul · « **Reply #67 on:** May 6, 2006, 08:14:13 am »

Is it only tickets sent by Special delivery that have been stolen? I ordered mine on thursday online and forgot to specify Special delivery, guess im sweating on this until my tickets arrive.

edinburghred · « **Reply #68 on:** May 6, 2006, 08:17:52 am »

Well thats my postie been, still no ticket and I bought mine on wednesday, thievin bastards.

fru · « **Reply #69 on:** May 6, 2006, 08:19:40 am »

Quote from: edinburghred on May 6, 2006, 08:17:52 am

Well thats my postie been, still no ticket and I bought mine on wednesday, thievin bastards.

I'm starting to think the same. Mine were also bought on Wednesday and the posties just been with no tickets. I'm still holding out for the Special Delivery van though...

cowtownred · « **Reply #70 on:** May 6, 2006, 08:41:09 am »

My postal application still not registering any ticket purchase online.... but was received... I called the TO on Thursday afternoon.

For once, given the stolen ticket story, I'm pleased they have been slow to deal with postals.

ianrush79 · « **Reply #71 on:** May 6, 2006, 08:43:34 am »

Quote from: edinburghred on May 6, 2006, 08:17:52 am

Well thats my postie been, still no ticket and I bought mine on wednesday, thievin bastards.

same here too

Le Songmeister · « **Reply #72 on:** May 6, 2006, 08:47:13 am »

Quote from: Danny Boys Dad on May 5, 2006, 09:20:32 pm

Wonder where it happened? If it's a van collecting from the TO there will be thousands of them. Bloody nightmare.

You may laugh but this is what happened :
The van was raided while parked outside the Everton Club Shop. The postie was in the shop collecting Everton's mail after leaving Anfield.

Le Songmeister · « **Reply #73 on:** May 6, 2006, 08:48:03 am »

The van was raided while parked outside the Everton Club Shop. The postie was collecting Everton's mail after leaving Anfield.

liv4pool · « **Reply #74 on:** May 6, 2006, 08:55:25 am »

There's a very easy way around this. They can issue as many duplicates as they like, no one gets into the ground without an LFC Fancard and / or proof of ticket purchase from the club.

ealsc15 · « **Reply #75 on:** May 6, 2006, 08:56:51 am »

I bet my fuckers where in there.......

Belive me they will do duplicates as all details logged, on ticket will be stamped on it DUPLICATE or summit. So who ever in your seat will get shifted.

Good luck

fru · « **Reply #76 on:** May 6, 2006, 08:59:45 am »

Quote from: liv4pool on May 6, 2006, 08:55:25 am

There's a very easy way around this. They can issue as many duplicates as they like, no one gets into the ground without an LFC Fancard and / or proof of ticket purchase from the club.

I'm sure a lot of people who would buy from touts would have a fancard anyway, this would only work if the tickets had names printed on them, which I don't think they do.

The best they could hope for would be for all stolen tickets to be in the same block or at least only from a couple of blocks so they can check only those parts of the stadium rather than slowing it down by having to check EVERYONE.

ianrush79 · « **Reply #77 on:** May 6, 2006, 09:01:34 am »

Quote from: liv4pool on May 6, 2006, 08:55:25 am

There's a very easy way around this. They can issue as many duplicates as they like, no one gets into the ground without an LFC Fancard and / or proof of ticket purchase from the club.

this can't be done because there will be "neutral" fans going through liverpool and west ham turnstiles that have bought their tickets from the FA.

ealsc15 · « **Reply #78 on:** May 6, 2006, 09:15:04 am »

They have neutral sections dont they, as my mate a few years ago was sitting with some mancs and some people who didnt give a shite just they as got free tickets.

Tickets sent from Liverpool will be only in Liverpool end simply

ianrush79 · « **Reply #79 on:** May 6, 2006, 09:22:09 am »

what liv4pool was saying was that everybody going through gates 1-3 should have their fancards checked but it would not be possible. Neutrals go through thos gates as well so they wouldnt have fancards (probably would never have heard of them). I used to work on the turnstiles at the millennium stadium and it would be impossible to check every fancard