Topic: Boxing thread

[Lusty]

Missed it but I saw the one with Haye the other day which was decent. Forgot how massive his fight with Enzo felt at the time.

[Samie]

Bob Arum is saying WBC might make Fury their "Franchise Champion" and upgrade Dillion Whyte to WBC Champion.  This is basically their version of WBA's "Super" and "Regular" champions. 

[duvva 💅]

Bob Arum is saying WBC might make Fury their "Franchise Champion" and upgrade Dillion Whyte to WBC Champion.  This is basically their version of WBA's "Super" and "Regular" champions. 

This is the reason that boxing is nowhere near the sport it was. If it wasn’t bad enough having interim or intercontinental or international title holders now there are super world champions as well as regular. Boxing really is a joke when it comes to this kind of stuff

[Samie]

Aye it's crazy how many official "World" champions there are mate. Don't forget the Diamond, Indigo and Silver Champions though.   

[Lusty]

WBC have always loved fucking about with diamond belts or emeritus champions etc. But at least you could always say that the holder of the green belt was a legit champion. Not anymore I suppose.

[7777]

This is the reason that boxing is nowhere near the sport it was. If it wasn’t bad enough having interim or intercontinental or international title holders now there are super world champions as well as regular. Boxing really is a joke when it comes to this kind of stuff

Definitely one of the reasons it's turned me off to a degree. That and fighters not fighting their peers when they should due to TV or promotional issues.

[duvva 💅]

Definitely one of the reasons it's turned me off to a degree. That and fighters not fighting their peers when they should due to TV or promotional issues.

Yep, if there was just one World champion for each weight then the best have to fight the best if they want to become Champ. Seems obvious to me but it’s designed to almost do the opposite, all to make more money, mainly for those who don’t need or deserve it.

[Lusty]

The sad thing about all this is the way it's devalued the other titles. When we did the Cooper v Bugner rewatch it was great to see how seriously the British title used to be taken for example. Now that anyone can become a World Champion though it's kind of lost all meaning.

[1892tillforever]

Yes I agree, it is a complete farce. One of the reasons why modern-day fighters will struggle to get compared to ATG old-timers is the continued propensity of fighters today to not fight the best in their division, but also the crazy number of titles available. Adrien Broner is a four-weight champion FFS  He was a good fighter when he was young but 30 years ago he probably wouldn't win one world title, let alone several. The level of relative inactivity is another reason. Once fighters hit the world title level, they come down to 1-2 fights a year.

We also have 'marinating' of fights, catchweights and other such bollocks. This all happened in the old days too, just not as often. I mean, there was no reason not to have seen Wilder versus Joshua, Stevenson vs Kovalev, Mayweather vs Pacman much earlier, GGG vs Canelo much earlier, and many other fights that could have been great but either didn't happen, or happened too late. Again, that happened throughout boxing history, just not as much. I could be letting nostalgia cloud my judgment of course 

Just imagine if Leonard, Hearns, Hagler, Duran, and Benitez all avoided one another, or Ali, Foreman, and Frazier? The thought depresses me!

[Samie]

Eddie Hearn saying 

Anthony Joshua has reached an agreement with Tyson Fury on a two-fight deal.

[Samie]

https://www.skysports.com/boxing/news/12183/12004161/anthony-joshua-and-tyson-fury-have-agreed-terms-for-a-two-fight-deal-says-promoter-eddie-hearn

Anthony Joshua has reached an agreement with Tyson Fury on a two-fight deal, says promoter Eddie Hearn.

Britain's rival champions have been holding talks over an undisputed world heavyweight title fight and have thrashed out initial terms for two blockbuster battles.

"We're making great progress," Joshua's promoter Eddie Hearn exclusively told Sky Sports News. "There is still a lot to overcome. We are looking at venues and dates.

"We have the Dillian Whyte mandatory which is due before this fight.

"It's fair to say [Joshua and Fury] are in agreement regarding the financial terms of the fight.

"We've been talking to [Fury's management team] MTK, giving them the assurances from Joshua's side that all the details on the structure of the deal is approved from our side. And it is from Fury's side, as well.

"We're in a good place. It's fair to say that, in principle, both guys have agreed to that fight. Two fights.

"A lot to overcome in the meantime. We're moving in the right direction. I'm confident that both guys have giving their blessing for the fight to go ahead."

[Lusty]

A lot of 'in principle' going on there

So is it Joshua or Fury who has to fight Whyte first?  I thought he was mandatory for WBC.

Presumably they both have to get through Pulev/Wilder first as well.

[Samie]

 

Aye mate but it's good that both have agreed to financial terms. Pulev/Wilder will happen as they're the mandatories.

Remember I said Arum was saying to make Fury a "Franchise Champion"? Why do you think now? Pay off Dillion as he's the #1 WBC contender and Fury fight's AJ.   

[AndyMuller]

Hope the Gypsy King batters him.

[Samie]

Fury will win but Joshua is a much better boxer than Wilder and will cause him diffrent problems. Also AJ is a heck of a finisher. One of the best in a long time.

[sinnermichael]

Didn't take long for social media to turn this into a black vs white thing. 

[Lush is the best medicine...]

Eddie Hearn saying 

its basically the fighters saying they’ll do it, no paperwork signed, no dates set, no venues agreed so it’s fast car talking but nothing from the likes of warren and arum on this

Didn't take long for social media to turn this into a black vs white thing. 

Probably because some snowflakes took massive offence to some of the things joshua said at the weekend that wasn’t offensive at all

[Samie]

Warren is a nobody.  Arum is the real power man behind Fury these days.

[El Lobo]

Still can’t see it, but man I’d love to see AJ absolutely spark him

[Rheinbacher]

Fury has confirmed it.

A bit sickening hearing him thank that murdering bastard Daniel Kinahan for sorting it.

[Samie]

Fury confirming it on Insta. 

https://www.instagram.com/p/CBQjGyEp-fN/?igshid=gfte9nfvy0dz

[Samie]

Road to Undisputed begins with getting Pulev and Wilder out the way first. 

[Ray K]

Fury has confirmed it.

A bit sickening hearing him thank that murdering bastard Daniel Kinahan for sorting it.

This cannot be said often enough.  Daniel Kinahan is the biggest organised crime boss in Ireland. For the casual boxing fan, please read this Irish Times story

Daniel Kinahan has been in the news a lot lately and it has little to do with his leadership of the most profitable organised crime group in Irish history.

Rather, the sports pages and blogs have been lauding the 42-year-old Dubliner as a global power broker in the world of boxing and the only man capable of organising one of the most anticipated bouts in the sport’s history.

Gardaí believe it is the culmination of a secretive campaign by Kinahan and his associates to redeem his reputation, at least internationally, and allow him to take a place at boxing’s top table.

Employing sophisticated reputation management strategies, Kinahan is suspected of using the media, the law and the internet to draw attention away from his role in a gang feud which has taken the lives of 18 people and establish himself as what his law firm says he is, a legitimate Irish businessman known for his work in the boxing sector.

It is a strategy which appears to be working. Take, for instance, the coverage of Kinahan’s recent moves in the boxing world in the international press.

The UK Daily Mail calls him a “controversial boxing broker” before detailing how well regarded he is in the boxing community. It does not mention his role in the Kinahan organised crime group, unofficially known in Ireland as “the Cartel”.

Similarly, laudatory articles on websites like British Boxing News also fail to mention his criminal past.

Irish coverage is markedly different. Last week, the Irish Sun called him a “mob boss” and “drugs kingpin” in the first two lines of a piece while an opinion article in this newspaper last Saturday states “Daniel Kinahan’s role as boxing’s new kingmaker is no cause for Irish celebration”.

Usually it’s the other way around; Irish media is constrained by some of the strictest defamation laws in Europe meaning it often has to pull its punches when discussing public figures. However, the situation is different with Kinahan.

In 2018, a High Court ruling stated he controlled the Kinahan crime gang which was involved in drugs and weapons smuggling on a global scale. A month earlier, a Spanish police officer told a court in Marbella that Kinahan had ordered the murder of gang rival Gary Hutch on the Costa Del Sol in 2015.

Just last week, a garda told the Special Criminal Court the Kinahan gang was a sophisticated organisation which had ordered the murder of Patrick Hutch.

Kinahan has always been involved in boxing but the apparent campaign to whitewash his reputation is very recent.

‘Helps a lot of people’
Much of the positive commentary online about Kinahan can be traced back to a song and music video released by UK rapper J Spades on April 2nd last. The song, Major Plans, which has more than 1.5 million hits on YouTube, portrays Kinahan as a man “24 hours from being fully legit” and someone who “helps a lot of people”.

J Spades raps: “Today you’re legit and your business official. But back then you went through some shit like tissue.” The central message of the video concerns the infamous shooting in the Regency Hotel in February 2016, an event which triggered the most bloody phase of the Hutch-Kinahan feud.

The lyrics lay out a conspiracy theory that the Irish Government and the Garda were behind an attempt to kill Kinahan at a boxing event organised in the hotel that day by his company MTK.

“Twenty minute calls to police, no pick up,” says Spades. “Guess the government wanted somebody dead, hoping the bullets hit somebody’s head.” Spades did not reply to a request for comment this week.

Less than half an hour after the song was uploaded, it was shared by Spencer Fearon, a boxing promoter and the head of the MTK Global Foundation, the charitable arm of the management company co-founded by Kinahan.

The video has been shared thousands of times, including by many well-known boxers managed by Kinahan’s now former company MTK Global. It was also shared by two-time heavyweight champion Tyson Fury, the most famous boxer in the MTK stable.

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[Samie]

Aye, Fury is linked with a few knobs but then again AJ's promoter is Eddie Hearn. 

[Samie]

Boxing writers saying their sources have said

Tyson Fury and Anthony Joshua have an agreement in principle for a two-fight deal with a 50-50 financial split in the first bout; 60-40 in favor of the winner in rematch.

[Lusty]

Sad thing is that Fury has given up his UK license so they can't go after him for that drug thing so it will have to be abroad.

Unless they can get him a license from Luxembourg or something like Haye and Chisora.

[Fordy]

Poor Diilian Whyte

[dikwad]

Poor Diilian Whyte

This is the one we all want so hard luck on him.

[Fordy]

This is the one we all want so hard luck on him.

True but Hearn has sold him down the river - AGAIN!

[Samie]

He's going to be made WBC Champion any way when Fury becomes the "Franchise Champion". 

[Fordy]

He's going to be made WBC Champion any way when Fury becomes the "Franchise Champion". 

Might as well just give him a tea pot belt.

[jonnypb]

Didn't take long for social media to turn this into a black vs white thing. 

Was thinking the same.  Saw someone say they hope Fury sparks AJ out for the count of 10, then all the snowflakes piled in calling him racist.....

It's the one that everyone wants to see and will be interesting to see how it pans out.  Both boxers have come back from the brink and won a match that they looked like they were about to lose, AJ v Klitschko and Fury v Wilder when he was on the canvas.  Can't see how AJ will beat Fury though.

[7777]

Was thinking the same.  Saw someone say they hope Fury sparks AJ out for the count of 10, then all the snowflakes piled in calling him racist.....

It's the one that everyone wants to see and will be interesting to see how it pans out.  Both boxers have come back from the brink and won a match that they looked like they were about to lose, AJ v Klitschko and Fury v Wilder when he was on the canvas.  Can't see how AJ will beat Fury though.

I couldn't see Ruiz beating AJ either. Heavyweights init

[7777]

I do agree though 

[Lusty]

I think there's a bit of a myth around Fury.  Mainly because there was an even bigger myth around Wilder though to be fair.  Joshua's CV is slightly better IMO.

I'm really looking forward to it, even though it will be an absolute stinker of a fight.  I also don't think there will be a KO, so the cynic in me thinks there's going to be a dodgy decision to setup the rematch.

[Lee-87]

Ugh can the pair of bellends not just KO each other? Really hope the unlikely happens and one of Pulev or Wilder get their win to throw a spanner in the works.

Can't stand either fighter but leaning slightly more towards Joshua as i don't want to see that homophobic Manc supporting twat retire with a 0.

[Samie]

So the next SRL is calling out Canelo Alvarez. Say's he want's him at Middleweight. 

[Lusty]

So the next SRL is calling out Canelo Alvarez. Say's he want's him at Middleweight. 

It would be an entertaining fight to be fair. Canelo would walk straight through him eventually though.

[Samie]

Aye.

Callum Smith v Canelo at Super Middle at Anfield though? 

[Lusty]

I'm starting to think Callum Smith is retired to be honest.