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Re: Naby Keita Watch
« Reply #4760 on: January 22, 2019, 08:09:47 pm »
I think he’s being judged a bit harshly because of expectations that were built during the time since we signed that advanced deal. He hasn’t been playing his preferred role lately either, and he’s had some injuries.

Royhendo’s stats posted earlier show he’s making a contribution.
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Re: Naby Keita Watch
« Reply #4761 on: January 22, 2019, 08:14:41 pm »
I've said my piece over and over on this.  I don't see how you can buy a player who's value is predicated on a certain skill set being used and then not use the player in situations to benefit from that. 

With that said Naby isn't Fred or any other potential flop of the year.  He still gets minutes, albeit the lowest of any midfielder, so Klopp and Co probably don't agree with us arm chair pundits.


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Re: Naby Keita Watch
« Reply #4762 on: January 22, 2019, 08:39:11 pm »
I've said my piece over and over on this.  I don't see how you can buy a player who's value is predicated on a certain skill set being used and then not use the player in situations to benefit from that. 

With that said Naby isn't Fred or any other potential flop of the year.  He still gets minutes, albeit the lowest of any midfielder, so Klopp and Co probably don't agree with us arm chair pundits.


Klopp has to think about the whole team and winning matches, he cant arrange the team to suit Keita. Fabinho has played CB and Milner has played RB, to take two recent examples.
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Re: Naby Keita Watch
« Reply #4763 on: January 22, 2019, 08:44:20 pm »
Right, so here is what I saw on the first goal. As always, it was many errors adding up to one goal conceded. I didn't see anything much wrong with what Henderson did, and Keita only made one fatal mistake, but otherwise, the errors mostly rested elsewhere in the passage of play.

Here is the picture initially, from the throw-in and the switch into the middle from Palace:



Here, for the moment, Firmino should be closing the ball down, as he's the nearest defender to the ball. If it's a pressing trap, then it might be part of the trap to let this player play the ball in order to lock the ball down on the wings. This seems to possibly be the case in the next pass - however, not aggressively pressing doesn't mean there should be no pressure, and Firmino could perhaps do a little bit more here.



What really should happen here is Keita pressing the ball and Firmino taking the back pass option way, or covering behind at an angle. Either one is good. Firmino does neither, leading to Keita pushing on and pressing, but crucially, makes the mistake of thinking he has to win the ball there. He doesn't, and now we're flat to the ball and in all sorts of potential trouble defensively. So...



... we've left a big dangerous space in behind our press, because the midfield and defence haven't compacted to the ball. As a pressing team, we're already in trouble before the ball is even released.



So now Firmino takes over the pressure role, Naby cheats to the back pass (not a bad decision at all), but Mane starts to move forward, with the midfield finally pushing up to compress the play. However...



... Mane doesn't do the sensible thing and cover the penetration pass option, like he really should. Instead...



... he overshoots that area to add to the press needlessly, creating a flat line of three pressure players (three 1st Defenders), with Salah making his way across but in no way, shape, or form in any useful defensive position. Then...



... the penetration pass finally gets played (classic 4v2/5v2 rondo situation for any coaches reading, dontcha think?), meaning the next nearest defender to the ball has to step and press...



... which is Henderson. But the ball gets bounced back to McArthur, and the three attackers still haven't recovered goalside, so Henderson HAS to continue to press. Inexplicably, Robertson decides to get involved too, instead of pinching in a bit and covering Henderson with Fabinho. But a two-touch receive-and-pass later...



... and Palace are away, overloading our defence 5-to-4, but still with 60 yards to cover before a strike on goal. So it's a bad spot to be in, but not terrible just yet.

From the midfield/Keita perspective, though, both Keita and Henderson do most of the right things - Keita diving in spoils it, Henderson (and Fabinho) not pushing up compounds it, requiring Henderson to aggressively press because he's too far away in the first place. Mane, though, is the biggest problem here, as he overshoots the 1st Attacker needlessly, meaning Milner eventually has to deal with the ball 1v1 instead of getting support from Mane on that side. Error after error, reminiscent of Brendan's interpretation of "pressing".

It was just a bad play all round, but neither Keita nor Henderson did anything egregious - they were both justified in doing what they did based on the principles of defence. What messed it all up was Firmino's passiveness, Salah's delay, and Mane's over-exuberance. After that, ball-watching in the box instead of marking creates the perfect conditions for a goal conceded.
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Re: Naby Keita Watch
« Reply #4764 on: January 22, 2019, 09:05:07 pm »
Right, so here is what I saw on the first goal. As always, it was many errors adding up to one goal conceded. I didn't see anything much wrong with what Henderson did, and Keita only made one fatal mistake, but otherwise, the errors mostly rested elsewhere in the passage of play.

Here is the picture initially, from the throw-in and the switch into the middle from Palace:



Here, for the moment, Firmino should be closing the ball down, as he's the nearest defender to the ball. If it's a pressing trap, then it might be part of the trap to let this player play the ball in order to lock the ball down on the wings. This seems to possibly be the case in the next pass - however, not aggressively pressing doesn't mean there should be no pressure, and Firmino could perhaps do a little bit more here.



What really should happen here is Keita pressing the ball and Firmino taking the back pass option way, or covering behind at an angle. Either one is good. Firmino does neither, leading to Keita pushing on and pressing, but crucially, makes the mistake of thinking he has to win the ball there. He doesn't, and now we're flat to the ball and in all sorts of potential trouble defensively. So...



... we've left a big dangerous space in behind our press, because the midfield and defence haven't compacted to the ball. As a pressing team, we're already in trouble before the ball is even released.



So now Firmino takes over the pressure role, Naby cheats to the back pass (not a bad decision at all), but Mane starts to move forward, with the midfield finally pushing up to compress the play. However...



... Mane doesn't do the sensible thing and cover the penetration pass option, like he really should. Instead...



... he overshoots that area to add to the press needlessly, creating a flat line of three pressure players (three 1st Defenders), with Salah making his way across but in no way, shape, or form in any useful defensive position. Then...



... the penetration pass finally gets played (classic 4v2/5v2 rondo situation for any coaches reading, dontcha think?), meaning the next nearest defender to the ball has to step and press...



... which is Henderson. But the ball gets bounced back to McArthur, and the three attackers still haven't recovered goalside, so Henderson HAS to continue to press. Inexplicably, Robertson decides to get involved too, instead of pinching in a bit and covering Henderson with Fabinho. But a two-touch receive-and-pass later...



... and Palace are away, overloading our defence 5-to-4, but still with 60 yards to cover before a strike on goal. So it's a bad spot to be in, but not terrible just yet.

From the midfield/Keita perspective, though, both Keita and Henderson do most of the right things - Keita diving in spoils it, Henderson (and Fabinho) not pushing up compounds it, requiring Henderson to aggressively press because he's too far away in the first place. Mane, though, is the biggest problem here, as he overshoots the 1st Attacker needlessly, meaning Milner eventually has to deal with the ball 1v1 instead of getting support from Mane on that side. Error after error, reminiscent of Brendan's interpretation of "pressing".

It was just a bad play all round, but neither Keita nor Henderson did anything egregious - they were both justified in doing what they did based on the principles of defence. What messed it all up was Firmino's passiveness, Salah's delay, and Mane's over-exuberance. After that, ball-watching in the box instead of marking creates the perfect conditions for a goal conceded.

First time I watched the replay Mane stuck out as making the biggest error. I don't mind what Keita and Robertson did...they smelled blood and with a bit of fortune a 3 v 2 transition could've instead been a 5 v 2 transition and almost a certain goal. As you say, once they broke the press, we still had plenty of time to recover. And this is Palace mind you, not City. If we had a RB who doesn't get toasted 1v1 (cough Clyne cough) it probably amounts to nothing.

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Re: Naby Keita Watch
« Reply #4765 on: January 22, 2019, 09:28:04 pm »
I've just watched it, and I'm doing diagrams on it right now, but your memory is off a little. Nothing Henderson did was wrong when he sprinted. However, he shouldn't have had to, as the whole team lacked compactness in the first place, and pressing without compactness is not "pressing" - as we saw repeatedly under Brendan. In fact, I'd say the biggest culprit in that play was Mane. I'll show more when I'm done. I don't listen to podcasts, so I've no idea what Sean Rogers said (and he's a very good coach from the stuff I've read from him in the past), but I won't be surprised if we say the same things.

Yes sorry I had it mixed up it was Mane not Fabinho that I thought was a little over zealous in the first place, but should Hendo not be aware of the fact that Fabinho is in the back line covering and therefore he's the only body in the middle of the pitch? Or is that being hyper critical?
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Re: Naby Keita Watch
« Reply #4766 on: January 22, 2019, 09:47:21 pm »
From Naby


"I've been told that if the fans back in Guinea have all switched on their TVs and I'm not in the starting XI sometimes they can be angry and frustrated.

"I'm the only Guinean player who is at a top club so I have to work really hard. Everyone believes in me back home so not only do I have to do my job here for all the fans at Liverpool, but I've got to do it for the whole of my country back home."

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Re: Naby Keita Watch
« Reply #4767 on: January 22, 2019, 09:50:44 pm »
From Naby


"I've been told that if the fans back in Guinea have all switched on their TVs and I'm not in the starting XI sometimes they can be angry and frustrated.

"I'm the only Guinean player who is at a top club so I have to work really hard. Everyone believes in me back home so not only do I have to do my job here for all the fans at Liverpool, but I've got to do it for the whole of my country back home."

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Re: Naby Keita Watch
« Reply #4768 on: January 22, 2019, 10:03:18 pm »

Sorry, Yorky mate :)

But that is EXACTLY the time to press ;D

Players with 10 yards of space - even bad players - can kill your defence with one pass.

I'm going to look at that play again, but I am guessing from memory that Henderson was the nearest player to the ball at the time?

Not when he's set and got the ball perfectly under control it isn't. Pressing then is madness. That's the time to assume a more defensive mindset.

Do look again PoP. I think Hendo actually runs past one of our players to get to McArthur. He certainly does if you include Robertson who has realised the press is over and hasn't worked.
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Re: Naby Keita Watch
« Reply #4769 on: January 22, 2019, 10:08:29 pm »
Oh great  ;D  :butt

Anyway, Naby.... just think he needs one big game to really explode. Not easy to move to a new country at a young age anyway, let alone when it was pre planned for such a long time and the expectation was monstrous. Think a good portion of us had him down as player of the season in the prediction threads.
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Re: Naby Keita Watch
« Reply #4770 on: January 22, 2019, 10:13:49 pm »
Not when he's set and got the ball perfectly under control it isn't. Pressing then is madness. That's the time to assume a more defensive mindset.

Do look again PoP. I think Hendo actually runs past one of our players to get to McArthur. He certainly does if you include Robertson who has realised the press is over and hasn't worked.

The only time you don't pressure is when you're outnumbered at the back. So are you saying the Palace player should have been allowed to turn and see forward?
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« Reply #4771 on: January 22, 2019, 10:38:21 pm »
The only time you don't pressure is when you're outnumbered at the back. So are you saying the Palace player should have been allowed to turn and see forward?

I'm not saying that. I'm saying the opposite. Stop the Palace player turning!

The press is triggered correctly when McArthur is facing the wrong way and about to receive the ball. That's a good time to press. In this case the pass to McArthur was also telegraphed and you can see Keita poised to press as the 'telegraph' is read. Firmino comes in from the other side as soon as he realises the press is on. All good.

The error in this case, such as it is, is when neither Keita or Firmino dispossess McArthur. That's surprising. Maybe McArthur gets lucky with the bounce but he somehow manages to evade two Liverpool players who are executing the press correctly.

As for Mane, he did the sensible thing when he saw the press being triggered. He joined the attack as swiftly as he could and made a run beyond the harassed McArthur to intercept any likely back-pass, and also to be ready to receive an instant pass once Firmino had got the ball off McArthur. He was, of course, banking on Keita and Firmino dispossessing McArthur - a good bet at the time because McArthur was really struggling to keep the ball and still facing the wrong way.

If you look again at your 5th diagram you'll see what I mean. McArthur is facing the wrong way with two Liverpool players in very close proximity. It's a great time to join the press and therefore your little white line saying "Mane should stop here" doesn't make sense (except in a sort of hindsight). Mane did the sensible thing, didn't stop, and joined the press, to make it 4 against 2! Klopp's system in a nutshell.

But at this point McArthur somehow escapes Firmino and Keita and then for the first time faces the right way in space with the ball now UNDER HIS TOTAL COMMAND. In other words, its suddenly become a very bad time to press. Especially so since we have three players now on the wrong side of the ball (Bobby, Naby, Sadio).The press hasn't worked.  Now the team should be thinking more defensively. The priority should be closing off passing lanes. But this is when Hendo comes hurtling in. Hurtling past a Palace midfielder in space towards the man with the ball. Indeed hurtling towards a player with the ball UNDER HIS TOTAL COMMAND.

My understanding of pressing, which is the opposite of yours, is that this isn't a smart time to press. Why press a player in total command of the ball who is facing the right way in space and can see all the movement in front of him? You say that such a player, even a not very good one can, do damage in that situation. I say that's why you adopt a more defensive mind-set and revert to closing off the passing lanes.     
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Re: Naby Keita Watch
« Reply #4772 on: January 23, 2019, 12:49:48 am »
thanks for putting together those diagrams and writing the explanation PoP!

Not when he's set and got the ball perfectly under control it isn't. Pressing then is madness. That's the time to assume a more defensive mindset.

Do look again PoP. I think Hendo actually runs past one of our players to get to McArthur. He certainly does if you include Robertson who has realised the press is over and hasn't worked.

Seeing your hyperbolic criticism of Henderson hints, but doesn't guarantee, that your biases may be at play and damaging your usually very good calling of a play. Seeing you praise Robertson again though, and suggest he's been more considered than Henderson, surely confirms it!
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Re: Naby Keita Watch
« Reply #4773 on: January 23, 2019, 04:04:09 am »
I'm not saying that. I'm saying the opposite. Stop the Palace player turning!

So how do you do that without closing him down - on which, more in a bit, because I see where we're going wrong ;D

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The press is triggered correctly when McArthur is facing the wrong way and about to receive the ball. That's a good time to press. In this case the pass to McArthur was also telegraphed and you can see Keita poised to press as the 'telegraph' is read. Firmino comes in from the other side as soon as he realises the press is on. All good.


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The error in this case, such as it is, is when neither Keita or Firmino dispossess McArthur. That's surprising. Maybe McArthur gets lucky with the bounce but he somehow manages to evade two Liverpool players who are executing the press correctly.

The problem is - their job is not to dispossess the player. It is first to get their head down so they can't see their options. Then it is to guide the attacker into the area of the field they want the ball to be, usually where there is compactness, which in this case, hadn't arrived yet

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As for Mane, he did the sensible thing when he saw the press being triggered. He joined the attack as swiftly as he could and made a run beyond the harassed McArthur to intercept any likely back-pass, and also to be ready to receive an instant pass once Firmino had got the ball off McArthur. He was, of course, banking on Keita and Firmino dispossessing McArthur - a good bet at the time because McArthur was really struggling to keep the ball and still facing the wrong way.

He did, but he went too far. You can't pressure without having cover. His actions meant there was no cover, and we were caught square.

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If you look again at your 5th diagram you'll see what I mean. McArthur is facing the wrong way with two Liverpool players in very close proximity. It's a great time to join the press and therefore your little white line saying "Mane should stop here" doesn't make sense (except in a sort of hindsight). Mane did the sensible thing, didn't stop, and joined the press, to make it 4 against 2! Klopp's system in a nutshell.

It makes sense because the 2nd defenders have to cover the nearest options. You don't need four players pressuring the same player. Why not? Well we saw it right there - the ball gets played through the flat line, and the attacking team are able to play out.
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But at this point McArthur somehow escapes Firmino and Keita and then for the first time faces the right way in space with the ball now UNDER HIS TOTAL COMMAND.

There's no "somehow" - we were caught square defensively, with no covering depth, which is a major sin in defending.

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In other words, its suddenly become a very bad time to press. Especially so since we have three players now on the wrong side of the ball (Bobby, Naby, Sadio).The press hasn't worked.  Now the team should be thinking more defensively. The priority should be closing off passing lanes. But this is when Hendo comes hurtling in. Hurtling past a Palace midfielder in space towards the man with the ball. Indeed hurtling towards a player with the ball UNDER HIS TOTAL COMMAND.

So here's the thing - in another thread, a couple of posters had a brouhaha with me about me being pedantic about terms, but this is why - and I have fallen into my own laziness here. You are talking about "Team Pressing", and nothing you've said is much wrong. When referring to what Keita and Henderson did, I used the term "press" when I should have used "pressure" - the first principle of defence. Instead, if I say "closing down", then hopefully it becomes clearer. Henderson did nothing wrong tactically, Keita did nothing wrong tactically, although he did get it wrong technically by diving in. Mane, though, was late running, and then ran more than he needed to, leaving a player free, who eventually got the ball

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My understanding of pressing, which is the opposite of yours,

It's not. We understand it the same way, but what you are overlooking is the principles of defence on which all defensive systems are built, I think. The first principle says "the nearest defending player closes down the player with the ball". Without this, your defensive system is on the way to falling apart.


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[...]is that this isn't a smart time to press. Why press a player in total command of the ball who is facing the right way in space and can see all the movement in front of him? You say that such a player, even a not very good one can, do damage in that situation. I say that's why you adopt a more defensive mind-set and revert to closing off the passing lanes.   

If you don't close them down, they will play the long pass (or shoot if they are near goal). Which is what happened. Which is why you close them down :)

Here are some examples from coaching courses:

USSF -



FA (from UEFA B course) -



Brazil -



UEFA B (Actual assessment session)-



As you can see, across all federations and levels, the first principle is "nearest defending player closes down the player with the ball", so even without team pressing, Henderson closing down wasn't wrong, but at the same time, Mane not covering was. Keita himself did nothing much wrong other than dive in and miss, so too with Firmino. You really don't ever want to be square when you're pressing as a team - there should be layers of compact cover behind, If three people are going to go press a ball, they need to be in some sort of triangle arrangement (1 closing down, 2 covering, or 2 closing down and 1 covering). Our boys didn't do that, though, and we paid the price.
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Re: Naby Keita Watch
« Reply #4774 on: January 23, 2019, 05:04:04 am »
So how do you do that without closing him down - on which, more in a bit, because I see where we're going wrong ;D
 

Agreed


The problem is - their job is not to dispossess the player. It is first to get their head down so they can't see their options. Then it is to guide the attacker into the area of the field they want the ball to be, usually where there is compactness, which in this case, hadn't arrived yet

He did, but he went too far. You can't pressure without having cover. His actions meant there was no cover, and we were caught square.

It makes sense because the 2nd defenders have to cover the nearest options. You don't need four players pressuring the same player. Why not? Well we saw it right there - the ball gets played through the flat line, and the attacking team are able to play out.
There's no "somehow" - we were caught square defensively, with no covering depth, which is a major sin in defending.

So here's the thing - in another thread, a couple of posters had a brouhaha with me about me being pedantic about terms, but this is why - and I have fallen into my own laziness here. You are talking about "Team Pressing", and nothing you've said is much wrong. When referring to what Keita and Henderson did, I used the term "press" when I should have used "pressure" - the first principle of defence. Instead, if I say "closing down", then hopefully it becomes clearer. Henderson did nothing wrong tactically, Keita did nothing wrong tactically, although he did get it wrong technically by diving in. Mane, though, was late running, and then ran more than he needed to, leaving a player free, who eventually got the ball

It's not. We understand it the same way, but what you are overlooking is the principles of defence on which all defensive systems are built, I think. The first principle says "the nearest defending player closes down the player with the ball". Without this, your defensive system is on the way to falling apart.


If you don't close them down, they will play the long pass (or shoot if they are near goal). Which is what happened. Which is why you close them down :)

Here are some examples from coaching courses:

USSF -



FA (from UEFA B course) -



Brazil -



UEFA B (Actual assessment session)-



As you can see, across all federations and levels, the first principle is "nearest defending player closes down the player with the ball", so even without team pressing, Henderson closing down wasn't wrong, but at the same time, Mane not covering was. Keita himself did nothing much wrong other than dive in and miss, so too with Firmino. You really don't ever want to be square when you're pressing as a team - there should be layers of compact cover behind, If three people are going to go press a ball, they need to be in some sort of triangle arrangement (1 closing down, 2 covering, or 2 closing down and 1 covering). Our boys didn't do that, though, and we paid the price.

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Re: Naby Keita Watch
« Reply #4775 on: January 23, 2019, 05:10:30 am »
Bloody hell PoP.. Soon you'll be handing out coaching badges on RAWK..  ;D



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Re: Naby Keita Watch
« Reply #4776 on: January 23, 2019, 05:18:48 am »
Bloody hell PoP.. Soon you'll be handing out coaching badges on RAWK..  ;D

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Re: Naby Keita Watch
« Reply #4777 on: January 23, 2019, 09:40:39 am »
It's good when the discussion transcends personal sniping and gets into something you genuinely learn things from, isn't it?

Keita's pretty good at the pressing from a sharpness, stamina and intelligence point of view though you have to say. Me personally, I think if we're working on his strength conditioning that'd be a massive difference in itself. The two Wolves games were indicative I though - he was singled out for a lot of physical (albeit fair) contact, particularly from Doherty, and he soon realised he wasn't going to get much protection from the referee, and from there shrunk in terms of his contribution when we had the ball. In old fashioned parlance, he started to hide; and he's not someone who tends to hide. Contrast that with Palace away at the start of the season. He didn't have that kind of doubt and he shined.

I think once he's able to assert himself physically the rest of the game will start to feel easy to him again. I don't think it's fair to this versatile a talent to say it's about Leipzig having been a counter-attacking set up. We still counter attack.
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Re: Naby Keita Watch
« Reply #4778 on: January 23, 2019, 10:44:26 am »
It's good when the discussion transcends personal sniping and gets into something you genuinely learn things from, isn't it?

Keita's pretty good at the pressing from a sharpness, stamina and intelligence point of view though you have to say. Me personally, I think if we're working on his strength conditioning that'd be a massive difference in itself. The two Wolves games were indicative I though - he was singled out for a lot of physical (albeit fair) contact, particularly from Doherty, and he soon realised he wasn't going to get much protection from the referee, and from there shrunk in terms of his contribution when we had the ball. In old fashioned parlance, he started to hide; and he's not someone who tends to hide. Contrast that with Palace away at the start of the season. He didn't have that kind of doubt and he shined.

I think once he's able to assert himself physically the rest of the game will start to feel easy to him again. I don't think it's fair to this versatile a talent to say it's about Leipzig having been a counter-attacking set up. We still counter attack.

Can't argue about any of that.

For me it's about Keita coming to terms with the physicality and the pace of the Premier League. That's not going to come easily since he's not a big mobile midfielder like Fabinho who can adapt more quickly. Some conditioning work could help him hugely. If so the summer seems a crucial period for him.

I think once he has shown the ability to cope with the physical aspects of the Premier league, we can start transitioning him into playing in a midfield 2. At the moment it looks like Klopp wouldn't take that risk. If he did then I'd be amazed if it wasn't anything other than playing alongside Henderson like he did at Burnley. In the meantime, Keita will get some opportunities but I suspect it'll be in the nominally left position in the 3 in front of the midfield 2. A position that is slightly out of the firing line compared to playing in the position that Henderson, Fabinho and Wijnaldum currently occupy.
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Re: Naby Keita Watch
« Reply #4779 on: January 23, 2019, 10:45:11 am »
It's good when the discussion transcends personal sniping and gets into something you genuinely learn things from, isn't it?

Keita's pretty good at the pressing from a sharpness, stamina and intelligence point of view though you have to say. Me personally, I think if we're working on his strength conditioning that'd be a massive difference in itself. The two Wolves games were indicative I though - he was singled out for a lot of physical (albeit fair) contact, particularly from Doherty, and he soon realised he wasn't going to get much protection from the referee, and from there shrunk in terms of his contribution when we had the ball. In old fashioned parlance, he started to hide; and he's not someone who tends to hide. Contrast that with Palace away at the start of the season. He didn't have that kind of doubt and he shined.

I think once he's able to assert himself physically the rest of the game will start to feel easy to him again. I don't think it's fair to this versatile a talent to say it's about Leipzig having been a counter-attacking set up. We still counter attack.

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Re: Naby Keita Watch
« Reply #4780 on: January 23, 2019, 01:53:36 pm »
Naby Keita watch clearly visible here alongside his fetching Shankly/Paisley style Gola trackie.

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Re: Naby Keita Watch
« Reply #4781 on: January 23, 2019, 01:54:30 pm »
Naby Keita watch clearly visible here.



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Re: Naby Keita Watch
« Reply #4782 on: January 23, 2019, 02:39:12 pm »
Footballers wear the worst outfits.
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Re: Naby Keita Watch
« Reply #4783 on: January 23, 2019, 05:41:46 pm »
Footballers wear the worst outfits.
They really do don't they?! Money doesn't always buy style I guess.
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Re: Naby Keita Watch
« Reply #4784 on: January 23, 2019, 06:15:13 pm »
He’s not been good enough so far. He lets the game pass him by. I’m not sure if it’s down to tactics, formation, injuries, new country, bigger club?. But what he’s shown so far has been underwhelming.

I’m sure he’ll improve tho. Maybe he’ll be a slow burner.

That said he’ll need to start showing what he can do next season at least or people will start to get on his back. In that sense he’s lucky we are top of the league.

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Re: Naby Keita Watch
« Reply #4785 on: January 23, 2019, 06:16:04 pm »
Footballers wear the worst outfits.

Largely

Lewis Hamilton is the champion of dressing like a twat though
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Re: Naby Keita Watch
« Reply #4786 on: January 23, 2019, 06:20:34 pm »
Footballers wear the worst outfits.

Words fail me.

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Re: Naby Keita Watch
« Reply #4787 on: January 23, 2019, 06:59:03 pm »
He’s not been good enough so far. He lets the game pass him by. I’m not sure if it’s down to tactics, formation, injuries, new country, bigger club?. But what he’s shown so far has been underwhelming.

I’m sure he’ll improve tho. Maybe he’ll be a slow burner.

That said he’ll need to start showing what he can do next season at least or people will start to get on his back. In that sense he’s lucky we are top of the league.

I suspect you will.

I hate posts like this. They lack courage. 1. He's not good enough. 2. I'm sure he'll improve though. 3. There again people will get on his back if he doesn't. 4. They'd be on his back already but the fact that his teammates are good enough to put us top of the league.
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Re: Naby Keita Watch
« Reply #4788 on: January 23, 2019, 07:14:11 pm »
Largely

Lewis Hamilton is the champion of dressing like a twat though

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Re: Naby Keita Watch
« Reply #4789 on: January 23, 2019, 07:42:44 pm »
I suspect you will.

I hate posts like this. They lack courage. 1. He's not good enough. 2. I'm sure he'll improve though. 3. There again people will get on his back if he doesn't. 4. They'd be on his back already but the fact that his teammates are good enough to put us top of the league.

You can suspect all you want. You don’t know me.

I think the lad has loads of talent but one reason or another he’s not shown it yet.

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Re: Naby Keita Watch
« Reply #4790 on: January 23, 2019, 07:48:50 pm »
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Re: Naby Keita Watch
« Reply #4791 on: January 23, 2019, 07:53:27 pm »
You coach at Everton?  :o

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« Reply #4792 on: January 23, 2019, 08:04:36 pm »
I think that's the "new" man shitty badge.

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Re: Naby Keita Watch
« Reply #4794 on: January 23, 2019, 09:24:19 pm »
In my league, the man closest to the car park refills the cooler with beer when it gets under half and the best defenders girlfriend will have his cigarette already lit for him as he subs,  3 per half and 2 more at half time. So those other guys did alright, like, with those rules and principals and stuffs.

It was the fucker what stole a march in the box was the problem, I'dve had that bastard on his ass before he walked onto it like that. The refs usually cut me some slack because im way old compared to most, so i just make like i fell down in front of him all exhausted like and they let it go. Not sure what that would diagram like, but it effective i promise you. Somebody shoulda thought of that one!
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Re: Naby Keita Watch
« Reply #4795 on: January 23, 2019, 09:27:43 pm »
In my league, the man closest to the car park refills the cooler with beer when it gets under half and the best defenders girlfriend will have his cigarette already lit for him as he subs,  3 per half and 2 more at half time. So those other guys did alright, like, with those rules and principals and stuffs.

It was the fucker what stole a march in the box was the problem, I'dve had that bastard on his ass before he walked onto it like that. The refs usually cut me some slack because im way old compared to most, so i just make like i fell down in front of him all exhausted like and they let it go. Not sure what that would diagram like, but it effective i promise you. Somebody shoulda thought of that one!

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Re: Naby Keita Watch
« Reply #4796 on: January 23, 2019, 09:28:20 pm »
Ooooo! A coaching badger? I want one! It will go along perfectly with my financial panther.
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Re: Naby Keita Watch
« Reply #4797 on: January 23, 2019, 09:32:37 pm »
How do you coach a badger?

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« Reply #4798 on: January 23, 2019, 09:41:38 pm »
It's difficult.  They're usually sett in their ways...

And they have to earn their stripes
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Re: Naby Keita Watch
« Reply #4799 on: January 23, 2019, 11:40:57 pm »
This thread just got brock-en
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