Topic: Diamond Anniversary Draft (1962 - 2022)

[Samie]

94?! Definitely not!

What a sight it would be mate. The 10 others on your team wouldn't know what to do.

[El Lobo]

I'm planning to have Neil Ruddock in there so I dont think it'd make for a good performance, much prefer 90-94 Razor

[JordanTremenderson]

Sorry guys I'm here

Do I have a pick?

[Samie]

2 Yeah, A manager and a player that hasn't played for him.

[JordanTremenderson]

2 Yeah, A manager and a player that hasn't played for him.

OK thanks, give me a few mins.

[RobbieRedman]

he's got two players to pick hasn't he?

[Samie]

Hang your head in shame Jordan.  :'(

[JordanTremenderson]

If your shithouse teams with big stars think you can do it on a cold wet night in Stoke, then you have another thing coming for ya!

[Crosby Nick]

Awesome stuff Jordan! We know Gullit’s versatility in drafts. Will you be playing him in the Ricardo Fuller or Ryan Shawcross role?

[JordanTremenderson]

Awesome stuff Jordan! We know Gullit’s versatility in drafts. Will you be playing him in the Ricardo Fuller or Ryan Shawcross role?

Keeping my options open.

I feel it is what Big Tone would do!

[Samie]

Betty picking his mate Deschamps.

[RobbieRedman]

no answer from betty or nicholls , shall i go?

[Samie]

Might as well mate.

[vivabobbygraham]

Betty picking his mate Deschamps.

Won't be able to pick Giroud though

[Sheer Magnetism]

I get Pulis, but choosing Gullit, a player who famously believed in total football and who didn't get on with a lot of his managers? Not sure about that.

[Samie]

Do you not see the similarities between Gullit and Delap?

[NICHOLLS]

Philanthropist (Diego Simeone) - Michel Platini ?, +1
Betty Blue (?) - +2
RobbieRedman (Bob Paisley) - Franco Baresi 88-92, Ronaldo?,
NICHOLLS1986 (Jurgen Klopp) - Hristo Stoichkov 90-94, Frank Rijkaard 88-92,
El Lobo (Johan Cruyff) - Diego Maradona 84-88,
Crosby Nick (Ottmar Hitzfeld) - Franz Beckenbauer 72-76,
Hazell (Valeriy Lobanovskyi) - Lothar Matthaus 88-92,
Samie (Tele Santana) - Ronaldinho 02-06,
Lastrador (Rinus Michels) - Alfredo Di Stefano 53-57,
JordanTremenderson (Tony Pulis) - Ruud Gullit ?,
Sheer Magnetism (Cesar Luis Menotti) - Lionel Messi 11-15,
vivabobbygraham (Bill Shankly) - Johan Cruyff 70-74,

[Betty Blue]

I thought I'd already bowed out of this    Still somewhat tempted, but I'm a bit confused about what the object of this draft is to be honest.

Are people meant to be picking the 'right' players as per the template of their chosen manager? Or just picking the best players they can think of to stick in their manager's team? e.g. Baresi is a fantastic trade in for Hansen, but Ronaldo (though no doubt a GOAT) has very little in common with Rushy in his style of play. I'm sure Bob could make use of him (who wouldn't), but then you could say that of any player in this. (sorry, not meaning to pick on you Robbie. I could criticize more picks, but then you'd all hate me  )

With that in mind, how will the teams be voted on at the end? If it's just going to 11 vs 11s then the teams with all the biggest names will no doubt win out. But if it's more about the team that best represents/fits with the philosophies of their manager then you probably need a big one off vote with all the teams in one thread to compare. Or even a fully transparent in-thread vote with discussion etc.

Just my two cents watching from the outside.

[Sheer Magnetism]

It should be a vicious free for all with everyone callously taking apart each other's teams with regard to both ability and suitability. Forget a fully transparent in-thread vote, the best way of doing this would be anonymous comments.

[NICHOLLS]

Yes, the evaluation will likely work best with in-thread critical analysis and debate (similar to the decade film drafts).

Drafters will have to defend their picks, sell how faithful they have been to their manager’s philosophy.

[vivabobbygraham]

I thought I'd already bowed out of this    Still somewhat tempted, but I'm a bit confused about what the object of this draft is to be honest.

Are people meant to be picking the 'right' players as per the template of their chosen manager? Or just picking the best players they can think of to stick in their manager's team? e.g. Baresi is a fantastic trade in for Hansen, but Ronaldo (though no doubt a GOAT) has very little in common with Rushy in his style of play. I'm sure Bob could make use of him (who wouldn't), but then you could say that of any player in this. (sorry, not meaning to pick on you Robbie. I could criticize more picks, but then you'd all hate me  )

With that in mind, how will the teams be voted on at the end? If it's just going to 11 vs 11s then the teams with all the biggest names will no doubt win out. But if it's more about the team that best represents/fits with the philosophies of their manager then you probably need a big one off vote with all the teams in one thread to compare. Or even a fully transparent in-thread vote with discussion etc.

Just my two cents watching from the outside.

Frank Lampard incoming?

[El Lobo]

Obviously not interested in Samies amateur Maradona advice but......for the more experienced generation, is 77-81 about right for Kennys peak? That seems like when he was at his goalscoring best and won a couple of European Cups, but then he seemed to be more individually celebrated in terms of awards in 1983 when he was runner up in the Ballon D'or and won the PFA/FWA Player of the Year?

[Samie]

I got a PM from Haze saying I could go next and to skip him.

[RobbieRedman]

I thought I'd already bowed out of this    Still somewhat tempted, but I'm a bit confused about what the object of this draft is to be honest.

Are people meant to be picking the 'right' players as per the template of their chosen manager? Or just picking the best players they can think of to stick in their manager's team? e.g. Baresi is a fantastic trade in for Hansen, but Ronaldo (though no doubt a GOAT) has very little in common with Rushy in his style of play. I'm sure Bob could make use of him (who wouldn't), but then you could say that of any player in this. (sorry, not meaning to pick on you Robbie. I could criticize more picks, but then you'd all hate me  )

With that in mind, how will the teams be voted on at the end? If it's just going to 11 vs 11s then the teams with all the biggest names will no doubt win out. But if it's more about the team that best represents/fits with the philosophies of their manager then you probably need a big one off vote with all the teams in one thread to compare. Or even a fully transparent in-thread vote with discussion etc.

Just my two cents watching from the outside.

Good point and you're right to use Ronaldo as an example. I'm confident however this will look a great Paisley team even with the luxury of Ronaldo by the time I'm finished.

[Crosby Nick]

Beckenbauer for Sammer
Gerrard for Moller

I’d say I’ve fitted the brief so far. Will get trickier when trying to replace the less talented members of a Hitzfeld side. Surely there some licence (as Betty mentioned) to get significant upgrades in if you can, as long as they broadly fit the style of play?

[JordanTremenderson]

I get Pulis, but choosing Gullit, a player who famously believed in total football and who didn't get on with a lot of his managers? Not sure about that.

Brilliant in the air, one of the most complete players ever.

He'll be great.

[NICHOLLS]

Philanthropist (Diego Simeone) - Michel Platini ?, +1
Betty Blue (?) - +2
RobbieRedman (Bob Paisley) - Franco Baresi 88-92, Ronaldo?,
NICHOLLS1986 (Jurgen Klopp) - Hristo Stoichkov 90-94, Frank Rijkaard 88-92,
El Lobo (Johan Cruyff) - Diego Maradona 84-88, Kenny Dalglish 77-81,
Crosby Nick (Ottmar Hitzfeld) - Franz Beckenbauer 72-76, Steven Gerrard 05-09,
Hazell (Valeriy Lobanovskyi) - Lothar Matthaus 88-92, +1
Samie (Tele Santana) - Ronaldinho 02-06, Andrea Pirlo 11-15,
Lastrador (Rinus Michels) - Alfredo Di Stefano 53-57,
JordanTremenderson (Tony Pulis) - Ruud Gullit ?,
Sheer Magnetism (Cesar Luis Menotti) - Lionel Messi 11-15,
vivabobbygraham (Bill Shankly) - Johan Cruyff 70-74,

[Sheer Magnetism]

Obviously not interested in Samies amateur Maradona advice but......for the more experienced generation, is 77-81 about right for Kennys peak? That seems like when he was at his goalscoring best and won a couple of European Cups, but then he seemed to be more individually celebrated in terms of awards in 1983 when he was runner up in the Ballon D'or and won the PFA/FWA Player of the Year?

Depends where you're planning to use him. He started out as a skilled number nine (around the first era) and evolved into an intelligent support striker when Rush emerged.

[RobbieRedman]

Ronaldos best years? Im looking at early 90's vs early 00's

[Samie]

94-98?

[RobbieRedman]

94-98?

yeah i'll go with that, more pace and aggression, his coach Bob will love that

thanks mate

[El Lobo]

Ronaldo again is probably dependant on who he's 'replacing'. 94-98 he was just a freak of nature in Holland, Italy and Spain but then got his injuries and you've then got 2002-2006 where he won most of his major titles and was a bit more dependant on his ridiculous ability without being as quick.

[Betty Blue]

Beckenbauer for Sammer
Gerrard for Moller

I’d say I’ve fitted the brief so far. Will get trickier when trying to replace the less talented members of a Hitzfeld side. Surely there some licence (as Betty mentioned) to get significant upgrades in if you can, as long as they broadly fit the style of play?

I think with Hitzfeld because he had a number of successful teams who all played a similar approach, you should be able to make a fairly good estimation of the style of play/attributes of the guys he liked in each position. Irrespective of talent. For example, at fullback he always had wingbacks who would be the main providers of width for his side. The likes of Lizarazu, Reuter, and even Tarnat. So you definitely don't want to picking a player like Berti Vogts there for example.

[vivabobbygraham]

Heighway/Hall
Cally/ Thompson
Cruyff/Salah
St. John/Keegan/Suarez

“My idea was to build Liverpool into a bastion of invincibility. Had Napoleon had that idea he would have conquered the bloody world. I wanted Liverpool to be untouchable. My idea was to build Liverpool up and up until eventually everyone would have to submit and give in.”

“A football team is like a piano. You need eight men to carry it and three who can play the damn thing.”

“Football is a simple game based on the giving and taking of passes, of controlling the ball and of making yourself available to receive a pass. It is terribly simple.”

“For a player to be good enough to play for Liverpool, he must be prepared to run through a brick wall for me then come out fighting
the other side.”

“The socialism I believe in is everyone working for each other, everyone having a share of the rewards. It’s the way I see football, the way I see life.”

[vivabobbygraham]

Obviously not interested in Samies amateur Maradona advice but......for the more experienced generation, is 77-81 about right for Kennys peak? That seems like when he was at his goalscoring best and won a couple of European Cups, but then he seemed to be more individually celebrated in terms of awards in 1983 when he was runner up in the Ballon D'or and won the PFA/FWA Player of the Year?

Having only to pick 4 years for legends such as this is hard as it will be for everyone. But he was fucking mustard in the years you have picked

[Crosby Nick]

Why’s Hazell picking after Bobby?

[JordanTremenderson]

Whose go is it? 

I'm confused.

[Hazell]

I missed my pick earlier so just catching up. Whoever was after Bobby is who's turn it is.

[Crosby Nick]

I missed my pick earlier so just catching up. Whoever was after Bobby is who's turn it is.

Apology accepted.

[vivabobbygraham]

Why’s Hazell picking after Bobby?

I was late. Sheer jumped in and would have messaged whoever was next up I assume?