Topic: LIVERPOOL TRANSFER THREAD - WELCOME, 'A PLAYER'!!

[killer-heels]

We probably won’t be taking any sort of hit as the chances are he’s still going to be a Liverpool player next season. Like Firmino and Mane will be.

Both who will have two seasons left on their contract. So they either get a new contract or they most likely leave the following summer for a minor fee.

[farawayred]

I think if someone offered 20m for Naby, we will probably take it. Can't see it happening though.

This is ridiculous, mate. Yeah, we may have been wrong with Keita's valuation, but the likes of Grujic go for 20m.

[aw1991]

This is ridiculous, mate. Yeah, we may have been wrong with Keita's valuation, but the likes of Grujic go for 20m.

I think the pandemic changed what a 20m signing means. Yes, teams can still afford 20m players, but not many can afford 20m fuck ups. Naby can be a great addition to any team, but he can also be someone who gives you less than 500 mins per season.

That's why I said before about him, a loan seems more possible.

[RedKenWah]

We need to bring in someone who is prolific in front of goal, it’s killing us at the moment the amount of chances we create and lack of goals we’re scoring.

I’d like to have said that Ox will be able to work his way back into the side but alas it’s not happening, and it seems he’s going down the same route as Lallana... and can see him being moved on this summer. I also think Keita is likely to be moved on as well, the first leg against Real has basically influenced that and he’s not seemingly being given the opportunity to rectify that.
Shaq, Minamino & Origi, again can see them being moved on but it’s important we get people in to cover them, we can’t rely on our front 3 as has been demonstrated. Think finally we need an able deputy for Trent & Robbo.. Tskimas Kostas is clearly not the lad for that job if he’s not getting a look in...

[killer-heels]

This is ridiculous, mate. Yeah, we may have been wrong with Keita's valuation, but the likes of Grujic go for 20m.

Nobody is buying Grujic for £20m

[farawayred]

Nobody is buying Grujic for £20m

Watch this space.

Michael?...

[farawayred]

I think the pandemic changed what a 20m signing means. Yes, teams can still afford 20m players, but not many can afford 20m fuck ups. Naby can be a great addition to any team, but he can also be someone who gives you less than 500 mins per season.

That's why I said before about him, a loan seems more possible.

True. But in many other teams Keita would play regularly, which he apparently needs in order to get going. We have too much at stake and we want him ready when needed, but he may not be suited for that.

[67CherryRed]

Watch this space.

Michael?...

We'll be lucky to get more than £6/7m for Grujic. This season (like Harry Wilson) has seen his form fall off a cliff, we royally fucked up by not selling both last summer when it was clear they had no future at the club.

[CraigDS]

Arsenal have not made a shit load from sales. Also we have much higher revenue than them

Last 5 years spending Arsenal
16/17 9m In  101.74m out  92m net spend

17/18  142m In 137m  out +4m net spend

18/19 7m In 72m out  65m net spend

19/20 48m in 144m out 96m net spend

20/21 16m in 76m out   59m net spend

Liverpool last 5 years

16/17 76m in 71.9m out +4.93m net spend

17/18 166m in 156m out +9.56m net spend

18/19 37m in 163m out  123m net spend

19/20 37m in 9.3m out +28.08 net spend

20/21 38m in 76m out  35m net spend


As you can see Arsenal have not sold as well as us. They have a higher net spend.
Despite no CL football in 3 years.

No more excuses for FSG this summer

The accounts suggest different.

[Ratboy3G]

If an offer came in over £50m for either I'd consider selling Mane or Firmino.

I don't think we'd get that for the pair of them at the moment

[please, I have my reasons for it but...]

Arsenal have spent about £200m net in the last three season without Champions League football. i'm assuming we could do the same, or better over the next three.

How many were for first choice targets, besides Pepe and Partey they were for other average players after they got rejected by the players they were courting.

[Chris~]

How many were for first choice targets, besides Pepe and Partey they were for other average players after they got rejected by the players they were courting.

About 5-6 at a quick look, but I'd like to think given our recent history we wouldn't waste nearly all of whatever money we spend. I was just pointing out the spending capability of a team who've been out the champions league for a while.

[killer-heels]

About 5-6 at a quick look, but I'd like to think given our recent history we wouldn't waste nearly all of whatever money we spend. I was just pointing out the spending capability of a team who've been out the champions league for a while.

We havent seen the accounts but no doubt we will be having huge losses. I dont see how its prudent for us to spend a fair chunk of money when we have reduced income but also no player sales.

I know people dont want to sell the likes of Firmino and Mane but one of the reasons we had healthy financial numbers is that we sold very well. We need to be doing the same if we want to sign otherwise we risk really getting into financial trouble.

Lets also not forget that we also have key players like Salah, Fabinho and Van Dijk with only 2 years left as well.

[Chris~]

We havent seen the accounts but no doubt we will be having huge losses. I dont see how its prudent for us to spend a fair chunk of money when we have reduced income but also no player sales.

I know people dont want to sell the likes of Firmino and Mane but one of the reasons we had healthy financial numbers is that we sold very well. We need to be doing the same if we want to sign otherwise we risk really getting into financial trouble.

Lets also not forget that we also have key players like Salah, Fabinho and Van Dijk with only 2 years left as well.

I don't think selling two first team players for basically whatever we can get would fit in to selling well/what we've done recently. We made a decision to keep the core of this team together instead of cashing in when we'd have got huge fees for some of them. I think selling now is the worst time to do it when they can still contribute on the pitch but their value is going to be at its near lowest (pandemic effect and both having terrible scoring seasons) If we get 50-70m.then yeah that's a different talking point, but that's a bit like talking about 30m for Minamino or Grujic. Feels a bit of a fantasy at the moment.


I know you asked how we could afford to let so much talent to go for free, but we've let about £100m worth of talent, in terms of fees, go in the last three years, will be more with Wijnaldum. It's part of the risk of transfers/keeping players

[killer-heels]

I don't think selling two first team players for basically whatever we can get would fit in to selling well/what we've done recently. We made a decision to keep the core of this team together instead of cashing in when we'd have got huge fees for some of them. I think selling now is the worst time to do it when they can still contribute on the pitch but their value is going to be at its near lowest (pandemic effect and both having terrible scoring seasons) If we get 50-70m.then yeah that's a different talking point, but that's a bit like talking about 30m for Minamino or Grujic. Feels a bit of a fantasy at the moment.


I know you asked how we could afford to let so much talent to go for free, but we've let about £100m worth of talent, in terms of fees, go in the last three years, will be more with Wijnaldum. It's part of the risk of transfers/keeping players

Their values are going to be going only in one direction now which is down. Not only have their form fallen off a cliff (or in Firmino’s case been declining for ages) but they are going to be 30 and over but also only have two years left.

We need to get what we can and invest that money on a smaller squad that all contribute. Mane and Firmino are not contributing as much as they earn.

[clinical]

Their values are going to be going only in one direction now which is down. Not only have their form fallen off a cliff (or in Firmino’s case been declining for ages) but they are going to be 30 and over but also only have two years left.

We need to get what we can and invest that money on a smaller squad that all contribute. Mane and Firmino are not contributing as much as they earn.

I think we should certainly look to move one of them on.

[abhred]

Honestly think Konate + Bissouma + a Jota equivalent in attack and we are ready for a title bid next season with Van Dijk back. ‘

Don’t need much and we can let go of a lot of players who simply do not contribute.

[MD1990]

Honestly think Konate + Bissouma + a Jota equivalent in attack and we are ready for a title bid next season with Van Dijk back. ‘

Don’t need much and we can let go of a lot of players who simply do not contribute.

I agree with this. We need 3 quality signings
The problem is Bissouma is going to cost at least 40m & an attacker probably over 40m as well.

If we spent over 100m this summer. I think that we would be fair to say FSG are backing Klopp.

[Ratboy3G]

Reading this morning that we will be signing Konate and Kabak, which is good news in my opinion. I hope Rhys gets a loan and then we don't need to rush back any of the injured centre backs, who will all inevitably have more injuries next season and then I imagine we'll have Phillips or Davies as a back up/home grown option

[killer-heels]

Reading this morning that we will be signing Konate and Kabak, which is good news in my opinion. I hope Rhys gets a loan and then we don't need to rush back any of the injured centre backs, who will all inevitably have more injuries next season and then I imagine we'll have Phillips or Davies as a back up/home grown option

Link to that report?

[Robinred]

I agree with this. We need 3 quality signings
The problem is Bissouma is going to cost at least 40m & an attacker probably over 40m as well.

If we spent over 100m this summer. I think that we would be fair to say FSG are backing Klopp.

Bissouma is much sought after, and can choose a club with C.L football. That’s very unlikely to be us.

[RedSince86]

Bissouma is much sought after, and can choose a club with C.L football. That’s very unlikely to be us.

He's never played CL football before, and i think the lure of LFC, Anfield and Klopp V2 team trumps any team in the CL.

Not like Madrid, Barca are going to sign him.

[Oskar]

Bissouma is much sought after, and can choose a club with C.L football. That’s very unlikely to be us.

That would be good for us IMO.

He’s a good player, but I’m not sure he’s worth spending £40m on.

[Chris~]

Link to that report?

https://m.sundayworld.com/sport/soccer/liverpool-manager-jurgen-klopp-set-to-be-handed-a-double-transfer-boost-40351438.html

[Barefoot Doctor]

Bissouma is much sought after, and can choose a club with C.L football. That’s very unlikely to be us.

We likely won’t be in the CL next season, but any smart player knows we’re a safer bet than any club other than City to be in the CL in the following season, and the one after that. We’ve had a freak season, but even if we finish sixth we’ll start next season as the second best team in the league.

We get Bissouma if we want him, but IMO he won’t be a target.

[cdav]

We likely won’t be in the CL next season, but any smart player knows we’re a safer bet than any club other than City to be in the CL in the following season, and the one after that. We’ve had a freak season, but even if we finish sixth we’ll start next season as the second best team in the league.

We get Bissouma if we want him, but IMO he won’t be a target.

I think this is correct. We are all pissed off at the moment but we are still a really good team and its an easy sell for signings to buy into.

We've got a great track record of improving signings, if I was a up and coming player I'd look at it as an opportunity to be a key part of our next great team. Seems Konate has already bought into this vision, hoping for an athletic midfielder and a hungry forward who will back themselves to become mainstays in the team

[Sangria]

We havent seen the accounts but no doubt we will be having huge losses. I dont see how its prudent for us to spend a fair chunk of money when we have reduced income but also no player sales.

I know people dont want to sell the likes of Firmino and Mane but one of the reasons we had healthy financial numbers is that we sold very well. We need to be doing the same if we want to sign otherwise we risk really getting into financial trouble.

Lets also not forget that we also have key players like Salah, Fabinho and Van Dijk with only 2 years left as well.

But for covid, I'd have been looking to sell Mane and Firmino even last summer, even without having seen what happened this season. Unless we have players who are good both in space and without space like Salah, we need to capitalise on our "star players" at the peak of their reputation. Given the way we play, players who've succeeded in our system are likely overvalued by the market, a la Coutinho, and since our owners won't be freeing up too many funds otherwise, this is the most effective way of getting transfer funds.

One of the worse aspects of the pandemic from our perspective is how clubs like Madrid and Barcelona can no longer afford to "lure away" our stars.

[Barefoot Doctor]

I think this is correct. We are all pissed off at the moment but we are still a really good team and its an easy sell for signings to buy into.

We've got a great track record of improving signings, if I was a up and coming player I'd look at it as an opportunity to be a key part of our next great team. Seems Konate has already bought into this vision, hoping for an athletic midfielder and a hungry forward who will back themselves to become mainstays in the team

Exactly. It’s one thing for someone like Mbappe to say he can’t join a non-CL team, but if Brighton’s Yves Bissouma said it Klopp would put a stop to their Blackpool meeting instantly. 

At the start of his tenure, Jurgen was the selling point. He got Virgil to turn down safer bets in City and Chelsea at a time when we’d only just scraped top four and weren’t even officially in the group stages with a playoff to come. We’re a much, much stronger proposition today even though we’re facing a year out of the CL. We have a manager who everyone wants to play for, and can convincingly say we’ll be in title races and, in 12 months, competing for CL titles again.

[Ratboy3G]

Link to that report?

https://mobile.twitter.com/RealKevinPalmer/status/1386071874929627141

[Ratboy3G]

https://m.sundayworld.com/sport/soccer/liverpool-manager-jurgen-klopp-set-to-be-handed-a-double-transfer-boost-40351438.html

@Killer see above 👆

[Red Cactii]

https://m.sundayworld.com/sport/soccer/liverpool-manager-jurgen-klopp-set-to-be-handed-a-double-transfer-boost-40351438.html

He was one of the earlier ones on the VVD deal going through around that Christmas so could be talking sense. Although  I’m pretty sure we have to tell Schalke soon whether will exercise our option so think he’s trying to get in first with an ‘exclusive’ before the usual reporters comment. I always thought we’d keep him unless he was horrendous during the loan period.

[Barefoot Doctor]

He was one of the earlier ones on the VVD deal going through around that Christmas so could be talking sense. Although  I’m pretty sure we have to tell Schalke soon whether will exercise our option so think he’s trying to get in first with an ‘exclusive’ before the usual reporters comment. I always thought we’d keep him unless he was horrendous during the loan period.

Think it was Ornstein who suggested we may let Kabak’s option expire and then try and get him for an even lower price. Perhaps we think Schalke’s now confirmed relegation has weakened them even further financially, and if we get Kabak to refuse to go anywhere else then we may be able to get him for closer to £10m.

[Red Cactii]

Think it was Ornstein who suggested we may let Kabak’s option expire and then try and get him for an even lower price. Perhaps we think Schalke’s now confirmed relegation has weakened them even further financially, and if we get Kabak to refuse to go anywhere else then we may be able to get him for closer to £10m.

Or get them to forget the add-ons and call it even. Either way, I’d very surprised if he’s not in our squad next season.

[Robinred]

He's never played CL football before, and i think the lure of LFC, Anfield and Klopp V2 team trumps any team in the CL.

Not like Madrid, Barca are going to sign him.

Madrid have been linked actually.

[Phineus]

Madrid have been linked actually.

Can’t see them getting him AND Camavinga.

[Oskar]

Can’t see them getting him AND Camavinga.

They can have Bissouma, we’ll take Camavinga.

[Machae]

Can’t see them getting him AND Camavinga.

That's cause we're buying Camavinga

Bisouma would be too expensive for what he offers

[Samie]

Madrid have been linked actually.

Madrid are also wanting Mbappe and pleading poverty.

[Vinay]

Dusan Vlahovic on show against Juve roght now. Just sayin....

[PeterTheRed ...]

Dusan Vlahovic on show against Juve roght now. Just sayin....

And he has scored from a penalty ...