Topic: Biggest flop In Europeon football over the last 10 years.

[itsgunnabebarnes!]

He has already won titles and trophies at Ajax and he still has plenty of time to win some more though. I mean if your goin to think along those lines let me ask you a question. Would you consider Alan Shearer to have been a flop?

Have i ever mentioned what a player has won?

[rednich85]

He has already won titles and trophies at Ajax and he still has plenty of time to win some more though. I mean if your goin to think along those lines let me ask you a question. Would you consider Alan Shearer to have been a flop?

Dont try and talk sense to him.

He posted this hyperbolic shit in the 'VDV turns down Liverpool' thread and got pulled on it so he decided to start a whole thread on VDV being the biggest flop in the last 10 years which, having read the thread, is a load of horse poo

[Solomon Grundy]

Nearing the end? He was only 30 at the time, he should have been at his peak and he certainly couldn't be called over-rated given
his european goalscoring exploits.

You could consider him being over-rated because of the leagues he played in. Scored goals for fun in the so called weaker leagues and everyone raved about him but struggled to perform in england.

Its like Ally McCoist, he scored shit loads of goals up in Scotland and was hailed as some sort of Messiah by the Rangers fans. Who claimed at the time he was one of the best strikers in the world. Now for me thats what you call over-rated.

[itsgunnabebarnes!]

Dont try and talk sense to him.

He posted this hyperbolic shit in the 'VDV turns down Liverpool' thread and got pulled on it so he decided to start a whole thread on VDV being the biggest flop in the last 10 years which, having read the thread, is a load of horse poo

bye bye.

[Solomon Grundy]

Have i ever mentioned what a player has won?

I kinda did.  You said Van Der Vaart should won so much more by now and thats why you consider him a flop.

[AlphaDelta]

Alfonso Alves!

Everyone was crowing about how he'd scored 7 goals in one game, yet he done sweet F.A. at Middlesbrough and since then!

[Aaronb121]

Trevor Benjamin 

[itsgunnabebarnes!]

I kinda did.  You said Van Der Vaart should won so much more by now and thats why you consider him a flop.

i think considering how talented he is, he should have acheived and produced alot more. not playing for spurs, if he does.

[MidwestWool]

Julio Arca

Former Argentina U-21 captain to playing in the Championship.

[Solomon Grundy]

Dont try and talk sense to him.

He posted this hyperbolic shit in the 'VDV turns down Liverpool' thread and got pulled on it so he decided to start a whole thread on VDV being the biggest flop in the last 10 years which, having read the thread, is a load of horse poo

I haven't read that thread, nor do I have any intention of doing so because who cares if a player said they turned us down? I'm only interested in players who want to play for us.

I kinda got the jist of this thread from the off though.

[Phil M]

You could consider him being over-rated because of the leagues he played in. Scored goals for fun in the so called weaker leagues and everyone raved about him but struggled to perform in england.

I mentioned him here because he flopped when he came to england but that was after injury problems. Two time european golden boot winner and
twice leading goalscorer in the champions league. Regardless of the 'weaker' league he played in he proved himself against
top opposition time and again. He was unplayable at his peak. Shame it all went a bit Gazza for him later in his career.

[Solomon Grundy]

i think considering how talented he is, he should have acheived and produced alot more. not playing for spurs, if he does.

What is that supposed to mean at all really?

I'll hazard a guess and say you think Van der Vaart has made a massive boo boo by signing for a club you consider a lot smaller the Liverpool? Am I right? I'm not far off am I?

[Solomon Grundy]

I mentioned him here because he flopped when he came to england but that was after injury problems. Two time european golden boot winner and
twice leading goalscorer in the champions league. Regardless of the 'weaker' league he played in he proved himself against
top opposition time and again. He was unplayable at his peak. Shame it all went a bit Gazza for him later in his career.

Therefore in general would you not agree that you could not consider Jardel to have been a flop then?

[itsgunnabebarnes!]

What is that supposed to mean at all really?

I'll hazard a guess and say you think Van der Vaart has made a massive boo boo by signing for a club you consider a lot smaller the Liverpool? Am I right? I'm not far off am I?

Its meant to mean what i said. If you want to carry on examining it do so. I said Van der Vaart, you disagree. Ten years or so ago i would have though he would have been the centre piece of a very succesful team. quite simple really.

[Phil M]

Therefore in general would you not agree that you could not consider Jardel to have been a flop then?

Erm I just said that I posted his name here because he flopped when he signed for Bolton and was
still a reasonably big name at the time as per the first line of the post you quoted.

[C]

Cassano

not watch much football?

[Crosby Nick]

I remember when Porto played United in about 97 and he was talked up massively and then proceded to miss a shit load of sitters. Never liked him after that! The one and only time I'll mention Championship Manager but he was a beast for me on that!

[Solomon Grundy]

Its meant to mean what i said. If you want to carry on examining it do so. I said Van der Vaart, you disagree. Ten years or so ago i would have though he would have been the centre piece of a very succesful team. quite simple really.

That doesn't make him a flop though. Everywhere hes played hes done well and that includes his time at Madrid when he did play. Its not his fault the teams he played in didn't win that many things, nor is it his fault that he's never won European or World footballer of the year.  Because what you fail to understand is its not that easy to win those accolades. Theres dozens of players ahead of him who are just simply better, thats not his fault though and nor does it make him a flop.

[rednich85]

bye bye.

yawn

clueless and bitter

not the first time you've been spouting shit on here either

[Phil M]

Here's a few more names to add to the mix, may have been mentioned already as players who flopped in the PL...

Steve Marlet - Lyon to Fulham for 11.5m in 2001

Shevchenko - Milan to Chelsea for 30.8m in 2006

Fran Jeffers - Bitters to Arsenal for 8m in 2001

Boulahrouz - Hamburg to Chelsea for 7m in 2006

Boumsong - Rangers to Newcastle for 8m in 2005

[Agger]

Alfonso Alves!

Everyone was crowing about how he'd scored 7 goals in one game, yet he done sweet F.A. at Middlesbrough and since then!

So true. I don't think he could cope in the swedish first division anymore.

[arthur sarnoff]

Hugo Viana looked like he was going to be a really top player when I first saw him.

Then he signed for Newcastle.

[Solomon Grundy]

Erm I just said that I posted his name here because he flopped when he signed for Bolton and was
still a reasonably big name at the time as per the first line of the post you quoted.

Erm... Well surely you could hardly considered him one of the biggest flops in the last ten years then could you, as the title of the thread suggests? Sure it didn't work out for him over here (how many games did he play for Bolton anyway 5 or 6?), it happens,  but you could hardly call his career a flop could you?

[rednich85]

Hugo Viana looked like he was going to be a really top player when I first saw him.

Then he signed for Newcastle.

Thats a good shout. How much did the toon spunk on him?

[rednich85]

Here's a few more names to add to the mix, may have been mentioned already as players who flopped in the PL...

Steve Marlet - Lyon to Fulham for 11.5m in 2001

Shevchenko - Milan to Chelsea for 30.8m in 2006

Fran Jeffers - Bitters to Arsenal for 8m in 2001

Boulahrouz - Hamburg to Chelsea for 7m in 2006

Boumsong - Rangers to Newcastle for 8m in 2005

Did you google those Phil?

[Solomon Grundy]

Hugo Viana looked like he was going to be a really top player when I first saw him.

Then he signed for Newcastle.

Good shout. I remember we where rumoured to be interested in signing him just before Newcastle bought him. Definitely dodged a bullet there didn't we?

[Phil M]

Did you google those Phil?

Nope I relied upon my encyclopedic knowledge of all things football related.

[Agger]

Here's a few more names to add to the mix, may have been mentioned already as players who flopped in the PL...

Steve Marlet - Lyon to Fulham for 11.5m in 2001

Shevchenko - Milan to Chelsea for 30.8m in 2006

Fran Jeffers - Bitters to Arsenal for 8m in 2001

Boulahrouz - Hamburg to Chelsea for 7m in 2006

Boumsong - Rangers to Newcastle for 8m in 2005

We weren't allowed to mention Andriy Shevchenko

[Phil M]

but you could hardly call his career a flop could you?

No just his move to the PL when his top level career effectively ended.

[Phil M]

We weren't allowed to mention Andriy Shevchenko

I won't tell if you don't.

[arthur sarnoff]

Thats a good shout. How much did the toon spunk on him?

Something like £8 million, I think. 

[Lush is the best medicine...]

dwight yorke? one great season for man united but kinda lived off it for the rest of his career

going back a bit further - dalian atkinson. should have been much, much better a player than he turned out to be as he had the talent but not the head

[rednich85]

Nope I relied upon my encyclopedic knowledge of all things football related.

I mentioned Marlet and Jeffers in the other thread and was really proud of myself!

[G ii N t Oo LFC]

Jose Antonio Reyes - 28 league goals in the last 7 seasons at Arsenal, Real Madrid, Atletico and Benfica. Talk about a flop everywhere he has went?

[Phil M]

I mentioned Marlet and Jeffers in the other thread and was really proud of myself!

There's another thread?

[Phil M]

dwight yorke? one great season for man united but kinda lived off it for the rest of his career

He was boss at Villa mate.

[Crosby Nick]

Thats a good shout. How much did the toon spunk on him?

Not as much as they did on Albert Luque...whatever happened to him?

[Lush is the best medicine...]

He was boss at Villa mate.

this decade though?

[Solomon Grundy]

dwight yorke? one great season for man united but kinda lived off it for the rest of his career

He had a pretty good goal-scoring record at Villa though and played big part in helping Utd win the treble and then the league the year after aswell. I'd hardly call him a flop.

[Phil M]

this decade though?

Ah right, I'll back out now, I can't keep up with all the arguments anyway.