Topic: Harry Maguire considering his options thread

[Nobby Reserve]

These never learn do they? It's almost as if they intentionally build their managers and players up to knock them down. Yes, they pressed for 45 minutes but were out on their feet in the second half but they are already painting Ragnick as a genius.

In actual fact, they huffed and puffed. When they inevitably tire out after playing many games this month, the come down will be brutal.

A Manc I know was tugging himself silly last night. That first half was the best half they'd played since Ferguson, apparently. He conceded they'd tired 'a bit' in the second half - but Ralf will get them training harder to build up fitness levels, and after a few weeks of tougher training, they'll be able to press hard for full games.

Because, like, it's that easy.

[kavah]

BBC website with gushing praise of this new signing, Fred.

Patrick Snell on CNN just referred to the young Brazilian Fred getting the goal
(He’s 29) 

[keyop]

A new manager bounce is so common that it's actually more of a surprise when they don't win.

It's a combination of the old crap manager no longer being there, players that were out of favour finally getting a chance, and players who were previously lazy bastards suddenly making some effort for fear of being transfer-listed.

It's all utterly meaningless until they meet strong opposition or do it consistently over a season, and even then it's still not a sign of anything long term - as we've seen time and again with new managers who get a tune out of their team for a while and then it all unravels.

Apparently Carrick 'steadied the ship' and Ragnick 'has already made an impression'. Well, they said exactly the same thing about Solskjaer.

[Crosby Nick]

Yeah they should go on a decent run now looking at their fixtures. A bit like how they did when Ole first took the wheel. Hype will go into overdrive for a month or two but hopefully there will be a rude awakening when the European knockouts start, and the fixture list gets tougher.

If they can drop a few silly points between now and then just to stop momentum building too much that would be lovely too.

[Kekule]

They're world beaters now apparently.  They beat Crystal Palace who beat Manchester City a few weeks ago, so that somehow erases the double digit points gap.

Leeds beat Crystal Palace 1-0 earlier in the week, so presumably they're also on the brink of dominance too?
 

[MJD-L4]

Leeds beat Crystal Palace 1-0 earlier in the week, so presumably they're also on the brink of dominance too?

Yeah but Leeds only beat them cause Rangnick taught Beilsa everything he knows.

Or something like that..

[harleydanger]

Yeah but Leeds only beat them cause Rangnick taught Beilsa everything he knows.

Or something like that..

He was his Professor at football college.

[Hij]

I mean they could go on to have a really good rest of the season and develop some good patterns of play and focus in the press, but it's such an odd game to focus on. I'd have expected Ole to be getting points at home against Palace as well. They were bad at Old Trafford this season, but even he would occasionally get these sort of results.

Perhaps it all works out swimmingly, but surely you need a larger sample size than 45 first half minutes at home against Palace to be sure. I agree with Nick, the fixture list is kind now so you'd be expecting any sort of competent manager to be beating the teams they are up against really.

[RedForeverTT]

Apparently Carrick 'steadied the ship' and Ragnick 'has already made an impression'. Well, they said exactly the same thing about Solskjaer.

They have been yearning for a Klopp type manager who improves players. Already we have seen Fred with miles of improvement after 3 days of coaching.

Give the man a lifetime contract.

[elsewhere]

BBC website with gushing praise of this new signing, Fred.

Get on his Ballon d'or odds when it's short.

[Bobinhood]

ha ha

The name dropper was asked about Klopp and he gave a pithy little tale about how he wasn't really his mentor but Klopp came to him in 2001 because he didn't have an agent and he wanted to know what he should ask in salary from Mainz.

“Jurgen said ‘ah, do you not think that is too much to ask?’. I told him it was the right thing to do."


So from 2001 Klopp doesn't want to know anything about Football from this guy but thinks hes the go to on Current Salary Conditions for Managers but also is somewhat horrified by his naked greed.

Its probably all changed now though, i mean look at how funny he is looking through contracts and naming fake clause's to himself for 10 million each, four times in a row just in case anyone missed the joke. What a kidder! How could a team not respond to a bubbly "all for one" personality like that.

Corner is definitely turned.

[rossipersempre]

Yeah they should go on a decent run now looking at their fixtures. A bit like how they did when Ole first took the wheel. Hype will go into overdrive for a month or two but hopefully there will be a rude awakening when the European knockouts start, and the fixture list gets tougher.

Young Boys again up first. A repeat of the reverse fixture would be hilarious, but realistically yes as soon as the draw is made next week, no matter what Rangnick does, they’ll still be getting a proper pumping in the last 16, the likes of which they’ve become accustomed to in the PL this season.

[Crosby Nick]

Young Boys again up first. A repeat of the reverse fixture would be hilarious, but realistically yes as soon as the draw is made next week, no matter what Rangnick does, they’ll still be getting a proper pumping in the last 16, the likes of which they’ve become accustomed to in the PL this season.

Well they’ve won their group so they have a reasonable chance of getting what should be a winnable tie, so they could Moyes or Ole their way into the Quarters. Surely that’s as far as they could realistically go though.

[rossipersempre]

Well they’ve won their group so they have a reasonable chance of getting what should be a winnable tie, so they could Moyes or Ole their way into the Quarters. Surely that’s as far as they could realistically go though.

Quite a few 2nd place teams like PSG, Inter or Chelsea/Juve will wipe the floor with United, and the other likely suspects will give them a good go as well. Still the same core of lazy unfit disinterested and technically challenged players.

A lucky draw against the likes of say, Porto, and sure, they’ll scrape the QFs. At which point, Rangnick will be covered in journalistic jizz and making a recommendation to the board he stays on as manager.

[MonsLibpool]

The selected Portuguese journalist(Ballon d'Or) didn't vote for Ronaldo at all.

[Sharado]

I don't know that I've ever seen a managerial appointment so lauded for a guy who's won so little at the age of 63. I get that he's obviously much better than Ole, and he's probably half decent, but FUCK. You'd think he invented football.

[CraigDS]

I don't know that I've ever seen a managerial appointment so lauded for a guy who's won so little at the age of 63. I get that he's obviously much better than Ole, and he's probably half decent, but FUCK. You'd think he invented football.

Literally everything to do with them gets lauded in a lot of the media. Even in Oleh's last few matches if they did something semi decent it seemed to be praised way beyond normal.

[DangerScouse]

https://twitter.com/Alex_Bradley99/status/1467491399922851842?t=CDnB8jwNIuF3E4IocOQEYw&s=08

Good grief, this is the worst thing I've ever seen!

[FlashGordon]

Just highlights how atrocious the vast majority of football twitter is. People seem incapable of constructing sentences. I know there's a character limit but it's not exactly set at 5 words.

The video itself is absolutely pitiful.

[RedSince86]

MnF tonight doing a feature on German influence on the PL, you can bet 90% of it will be about the "professor" with no trophies to his name, and Neville waxing lyrical about United pressing for 30 mins on the touch screen and how the corner has been changed.

[FlashGordon]

Their goal at weekend should have been given offside anyway. Ronaldo attempts to play the ball from an offside position 

[6BigCups]

I didn’t watch the game, but Jesus Christ.. a 1-0 win at home against crystal fucking palace and the media are out in force, speaking about them as an elite team led by the worlds best manager… they relied on a goal by Fred of all people, who they now assess as being world class.

What the fuck?

[johnny74]

MnF tonight doing a feature on German influence on the PL, you can bet 90% of it will be about the "professor" with no trophies to his name, and Neville waxing lyrical about United pressing for 30 mins on the touch screen and how the corner has been changed.

Yes, a program worth doing since we now finally have a German football manager (actual inventor of football if you must know) in the Premier League. How did it take us so long? And how do we get one? I think we need to learn how to do this pressing stuff. It looked brilliant.

[PaulF]

I wonder if they'll mention the art of diving by klinnsman. No probably not.

[Buggy Eyes Alfredo]

Not even sure what you are suggesting, surely not Marsch to Man Utd?   

Nope. It is Chris Armas.

Taylor Twellman         @TaylorTwellman

"Chris Armas will be on Ralf Rangnick’s staff @ManUtd and will be announced in the next few days. He was given his work permit this morning. Their history goes all the way back to @NewYorkRedBulls."

[Tonyh8su]

Swaaaggggggggggggggggggaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhh is back.

He loves he brought them barely winning 1-0 against Crystal Palace at home because Jordan Ayew missed a sitter?

[Tonyh8su]

And so one of the most calamitous episodes in the history of the club has ended with them three points off the Champions League places with one of the world’s leading coaching minds at the helm.

I feel a fool, I've literally never heard of this chap until he went to them?

[Bobinhood]

Just seen there's a team in my Monday night indoor soccer called Manchesthair United.

 

[newterp]

Just seen there's a team in my Monday night indoor soccer called Manchesthair United.

 

We have one too in my league.

[kcbworth]

Just seen that he has managed a few of our boys before - Mane, Bobby, Keita

[newterp]

Just seen that he has managed a few of our boys before - Mane, Bobby, Keita

I think the only one he managed was Keita. Mane was at Salzburg and Firmino was at Hoffenheim - I believe Ralf was only the director at those places.

Edit - he didn’t even manage Keita.

[harleydanger]

Porto is the the next round, then a 10 goal aggregate drubbing by us in the quarters please.

[Elzar]

I think the only one he managed was Keita. Mane was at Salzburg and Firmino was at Hoffenheim - I believe Ralf was only the director at those places.

Edit - he didn’t even manage Keita.

He's barely put together  two seasons of management in the last 10 years

[Tobelius]

Yes, a program worth doing since we now finally have a German football manager (actual inventor of football if you must know) in the Premier League. How did it take us so long? And how do we get one? I think we need to learn how to do this pressing stuff. It looked brilliant.

Don't forget they also have the actual Saviour Of Football sir Gary fighting their corner in the media.

Confirmation that they're back will be the 'We back' poster returning from his skiing holiday after couple of wins,it's over guys.   

[Mister Flip Flop]

Corner turned. The only question now is can they add the league to the obvious european cup win.

[Roady]

Love how they are suddenly going to be world beaters. There are people on redcafe because they have a decent run expecting to be in the top two by January 😂

[rossipersempre]

What’s that heady scent in the air around Salford (both the club and BBC)? Why if it isn’t the familiar whiff of Emperor’s New Clothes.

The guy likes the sound of his own voice way too much for someone who’s won fuck all with a less than reassuring management record, and yet even before a run of the mill 1-0 against Palace (courtesy of that most Brazilians of Brazilians, Fred), he’s puffed up and lauded as some sort of German architect of the game.

So very predictable. So very United.

[El Lobo]

Smells like swagger to me

[Ziltoid]

Smells like swagger to me

Smells like Stock Price rising to me

[Samie]

Majority of that man's "philosophy" are just extended versions of what Sacchi did two decades previously. Who Jurgen states that he's the essentially the disciple of.