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« Reply #5920 on: December 2, 2022, 08:32:08 am »
Thought the ITV coverage at the end was abysmal cutting away from the Japanese celebrations to spend 20 minutes boring everyone watching into submission and then mentioning conspiracy theories.
It was. Really bad.

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« Reply #5921 on: December 2, 2022, 08:34:34 am »
Gareth Southgate's tactical masterclass.
On radio yesterday they were discussing how some were labelling him as the above as he got Rashford & Foden to swap sides against Wales :D

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« Reply #5922 on: December 2, 2022, 08:43:01 am »
On radio yesterday they were discussing how some were labelling him as the above as he got Rashford & Foden to swap sides against Wales :D
I am not sure how is it in England / UK, but in part of my global region... Gareth Southgate is regarded as good as Jurgen Klopp.

The news, the media... It's all about the route of England to final already.

Example (I am not changing even a single word of these...):

England are looking to win their second World Cup title at the Nov. 20-Dec. 18 tournament in Qatar. Here is what you need to know about their route to the final
...
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+ WHO COULD ENGLAND FACE IN THE FINAL?

* If England go all the way to the final they could potentially find themselves taking on Brazil if, as expected, the five-times winners top Group G.


- https://www.channelnewsasia.com/sport/world-cup-2022-englands-route-final-explained-3117651

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« Reply #5923 on: December 2, 2022, 09:09:29 am »
Japan getting railed here.

They’ll try to play Spain at their own game and not be as good at it.



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« Reply #5924 on: December 2, 2022, 09:12:11 am »
Hoping Ghana do stuff tonight, if only for the fact their government has been trolling Harry Maguire.

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« Reply #5925 on: December 2, 2022, 09:15:33 am »
Had Germany in my sweepstake and thought they looked really good for the majority of the tournament to be honest, such a weird campaign.

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« Reply #5926 on: December 2, 2022, 09:20:13 am »
Had Germany in my sweepstake and thought they looked really good for the majority of the tournament to be honest, such a weird campaign.

They were basically done over by some dodgy defending for one half against Japan, and Spain racking up a load of goals vs Costa Rica.

They didn't look great, but they didn't look terrible to the point they haven't even reached the knockouts. Just mad how sport can do that to you sometimes.
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« Reply #5927 on: December 2, 2022, 09:25:55 am »
Had Germany in my sweepstake and thought they looked really good for the majority of the tournament to be honest, such a weird campaign.
They lack a (good) striker which would have been their downfall had they got through I think. Inside penalty area they were average at best.

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« Reply #5928 on: December 2, 2022, 09:28:01 am »
I am not sure how is it in England / UK, but in part of my global region... Gareth Southgate is regarded as good as Jurgen Klopp.

The news, the media... It's all about the route of England to final already.

Example (I am not changing even a single word of these...):

England are looking to win their second World Cup title at the Nov. 20-Dec. 18 tournament in Qatar. Here is what you need to know about their route to the final
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+ WHO COULD ENGLAND FACE IN THE FINAL?

* If England go all the way to the final they could potentially find themselves taking on Brazil if, as expected, the five-times winners top Group G.


- https://www.channelnewsasia.com/sport/world-cup-2022-englands-route-final-explained-3117651


As good as Jürgen. He's not as good as alot of Premier League managers ;D

Although it'd be good if this gets him the Manchester United job one day.


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« Reply #5929 on: December 2, 2022, 09:39:08 am »
Hoping for Brazil to win.

got them in my work's sweep.

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« Reply #5930 on: December 2, 2022, 09:40:42 am »
Martin Keown is really rubbish as a co commentator. That lady on BBC keeps getting lumbered with him & his utter waffle.

She's not great herself
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« Reply #5931 on: December 2, 2022, 09:48:10 am »
+ WHO COULD ENGLAND FACE IN THE FINAL?

* If England go all the way to the final they could potentially find themselves taking on Brazil if, as expected, the five-times winners top Group G. [/i]


Surprised they’re even bothering to have the final to be honest, might as well hand over the trophy now.

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« Reply #5932 on: December 2, 2022, 09:51:07 am »
I am not sure how is it in England / UK, but in part of my global region... Gareth Southgate is regarded as good as Jurgen Klopp.

The news, the media... It's all about the route of England to final already.

Example (I am not changing even a single word of these...):

England are looking to win their second World Cup title at the Nov. 20-Dec. 18 tournament in Qatar. Here is what you need to know about their route to the final
...
...
+ WHO COULD ENGLAND FACE IN THE FINAL?

* If England go all the way to the final they could potentially find themselves taking on Brazil if, as expected, the five-times winners top Group G.


- https://www.channelnewsasia.com/sport/world-cup-2022-englands-route-final-explained-3117651



The way it is shaping up, if England win it they are probably doing so by facing the best teams in the world - going through AFCON winners, then likely France, then likely Spain or Portugal, and then likely Brazil, Argentina, or Holland in the final, if they win that it's by being the best no fluke run.

But at the same time that makes it incredibly remiss to just assume they have a march on the final - England will have to do really well to get to the final, better than they have been.

And as good as Klopp, I mean that's patently ridiculous. Gareth Southgate isnt even on the same planet as Klopp

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« Reply #5933 on: December 2, 2022, 10:01:18 am »
I am not sure how is it in England / UK,but in part of my global region... Gareth Southgate is regarded as good as Jurgen Klopp.

The news, the media... It's all about the route of England to final already.

Example (I am not changing even a single word of these...):

England are looking to win their second World Cup title at the Nov. 20-Dec. 18 tournament in Qatar. Here is what you need to know about their route to the final
...
...
+ WHO COULD ENGLAND FACE IN THE FINAL?

* If England go all the way to the final they could potentially find themselves taking on Brazil if, as expected, the five-times winners top Group G.


- https://www.channelnewsasia.com/sport/world-cup-2022-englands-route-final-explained-3117651


Wow. I don’t think even in Gareth’s household they regard him as good as Klopp.

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« Reply #5934 on: December 2, 2022, 10:07:14 am »
I think Uruguay will sneak a 1-0 and make through. They are solid defensively and Ghana will give a few chances, I can't see Uruguay finishing the group stage without scoring so they will get a goal. I don't see S. Korea getting anything from Portugal, Portugal wins 2-0 imo.

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« Reply #5935 on: December 2, 2022, 10:07:47 am »
I am not sure how is it in England / UK, but in part of my global region... Gareth Southgate is regarded as good as Jurgen Klopp.

At what, making tea? Microwaving beans? Folding waistcoats? Lighting fires? Putting up tents?
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« Reply #5936 on: December 2, 2022, 10:09:13 am »
At what, making tea? Microwaving beans? Folding waistcoats? Lighting fires? Putting up tents?
I think the only thing Gareth is better at would be relegation. Isn’t he the only person to be relegated as a player/club manager and international manager?

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« Reply #5937 on: December 2, 2022, 10:13:07 am »
Reasons to be hopeful for Germany. They will have Musiala, Moukoko and hopefully Wirtz at the top of their game in a few years. They still have Gnabry and Kimmich. Bella-Kotchap looks really promising  and so does Adeyemi. It’s defence where they’re a wasteland. Not a single top player in sight. They mirror the Bundesliga really, nobody can defend in that league either. Stands to reason they won’t be beasts in international football when they’re not used to it.

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« Reply #5938 on: December 2, 2022, 10:18:46 am »
I'm really enjoying this podcast on politics and the world cup. It's from an explicitly left-wing viewpoint. It's covered boycotting the competition, sports-washing, supporting a national team, and loads more!

First episode here: https://open.spotify.com/episode/1rHaAP7wp4yPHYGyoNfVF9?si=NPcxO5WjThufcupm_e1r5g

Second here: https://open.spotify.com/episode/7yE1bRhB6qvka2InwOTTcK?si=dd8da6bfd54a4db2

And latest one here: https://open.spotify.com/episode/4BqmBtcEZSMuJMe5u66VHf?si=3a7a6441918a4525

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« Reply #5939 on: December 2, 2022, 10:19:47 am »
Reasons to be hopeful for Germany. They will have Musiala, Moukoko and hopefully Wirtz at the top of their game in a few years. They still have Gnabry and Kimmich. Bella-Kotchap looks really promising  and so does Adeyemi. It’s defence where they’re a wasteland. Not a single top player in sight. They mirror the Bundesliga really, nobody can defend in that league either. Stands to reason they won’t be beasts in international football when they’re not used to it.

Isn't Bella-Kotchap a defender?

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« Reply #5940 on: December 2, 2022, 10:24:27 am »
Isn't Bella-Kotchap a defender?

He’s a prospect. They currently do not have a single top defender, or defensive midfielder. Bundesliga has got by on being fun for a long time but it’s at the detriment of actual tactics now and is killing their teams in Europe and internationally.

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« Reply #5941 on: December 2, 2022, 10:25:28 am »
Souey was spot on.....that was a dreadful fuckin decision....and this tournament's been full of them.....didn't think it was possible for VAR to get worse than it already was, but somehow they've managed it....

It was an incredible decision. A correct one. I am not a fan of VAR, but VAR should be getting praise in this instance, as it would have denied a legitimate goal, rather than the half conspiracies being pedalled on itv by Souness and Neville.

It goes against the supposed rules too, doesn't it?

The officials on the pitch disallowed the goal. For VAR to overturn it, doesn't it have to be a clear and obvious error? We've seen about 30 different camera angles and not one can categorically prove that the ball stayed in play. So why would they then overturn the original decision and give the goal?

The ball being in/out is not a subjective decision, it is a factual binary one. If it was going into the net, the goal would not have been given by goal line tech. It is an incredibly tight margin, mm's in it.

Here is the actual var video and render:
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« Reply #5942 on: December 2, 2022, 10:33:29 am »
She's not great herself
Still prefer her over Keown.

Talking of him. He's been suggesting the pictures of Japan and whether it went over the line of have been tampered with ;D

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« Reply #5943 on: December 2, 2022, 11:51:10 am »
Why are people crying over Japan's goal when the ball didn't go out? It's quite clear the ball didn't go out, yet people are giving off about it?
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« Reply #5944 on: December 2, 2022, 11:55:53 am »
Why are people crying over Japan's goal when the ball didn't go out? It's quite clear the ball didn't go out, yet people are giving off about it?

a lot of folks simply aren't smart. or of even average intelligence.

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« Reply #5945 on: December 2, 2022, 12:00:07 pm »
Souey was spot on.....that was a dreadful fuckin decision....and this tournament's been full of them.....didn't think it was possible for VAR to get worse than it already was, but somehow they've managed it....

In fairness Souness was talking utter bollocks. I think it's fair enough to expect the evidence used to make tight calls available to broadcasters but to infer something underhand is clearly bollocks.

These images where the ball looks clearly out are from an angle. As has been demonstrated, that can be hugely misleading. The only objective footage could either be top down or straight along the line.

The images that have been shared which are.the closest to that do suggest, albeit by an unbelievably narrow margin, that the whole ball hadn't crossed the line. One of the angles was actually shown by broadcasters but others which are clearer have been made available today. The VAR video and render is doing the rounds but is rights protected. FIFA should just release it.

As to whether it's a clear and obvious error, in the case of the ball crossing the line (as with offside) that doesn't come into it. It's objective fact, and the only issue is whether the footage is sufficiently clear or if any key elements are blocked from view by players.

There's literally mm in it but it's not a bad decision, just an incredibly tight one (as it would have been either way).

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« Reply #5946 on: December 2, 2022, 12:14:25 pm »
He’s a prospect. They currently do not have a single top defender, or defensive midfielder. Bundesliga has got by on being fun for a long time but it’s at the detriment of actual tactics now and is killing their teams in Europe and internationally.

That is true mostly. Though I do think they have a couple of players who will get better. Raum is a very good left back.

But they definitely lack a top class striker. Even a top solid one like in the past they had with Klose. They lack a finisher. Lots of supply with Sane and Gnabry etc but not finishers.

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« Reply #5947 on: December 2, 2022, 12:39:45 pm »
Really looking forward to the Ghana v Uruguay game. Hopefully it'll be as entertaining as last nights games.

Uruguay has been woeful so far, but can see this going their way.
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« Reply #5948 on: December 2, 2022, 01:10:04 pm »
It’s been fun as fuck on TV, which I hate because of the sport washing. I’m sure it’s been a terrible one to attend.
a couple of lads I know went out there and had a brilliant time
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« Reply #5949 on: December 2, 2022, 01:21:13 pm »
Really looking forward to the Ghana v Uruguay game. Hopefully it'll be as entertaining as last nights games.

Uruguay has been woeful so far, but can see this going their way.

I’m pleased to see Luis is in character for this one.

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« Reply #5950 on: December 2, 2022, 01:25:38 pm »
There’s a sliver of the ball that isn’t over the line it’s not rocket science…

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« Reply #5951 on: December 2, 2022, 01:27:05 pm »
Really looking forward to the Ghana v Uruguay game. Hopefully it'll be as entertaining as last nights games.

Uruguay has been woeful so far, but can see this going their way.

Same here it’s a great revenge story and it’s crazy it’s not the main match on BBC with Portugal through but with Uruguay involved I’m not sure it’ll be that great of a match to be honest. Hope I’m wrong.

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« Reply #5952 on: December 2, 2022, 01:27:11 pm »

why should he apologize? it was a brilliant play.
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« Reply #5953 on: December 2, 2022, 01:34:38 pm »


Nor should he. If a Liverpool player was in the same position, between a certain goal and a red card/pen, I would hope they do the same thing (obvious caveats apply like if it is 5 minutes into the match, take the goal and bet on the team to draw it back). I would expect any team and player to do it.

I see it like the extreme end of the good foul - taking one for the team to stop a good attack. In this case, take a red card and a pen to stop a goal.
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« Reply #5954 on: December 2, 2022, 01:42:42 pm »
Nor should he. If a Liverpool player was in the same position, between a certain goal and a red card/pen, I would hope they do the same thing (obvious caveats apply like if it is 5 minutes into the match, take the goal and bet on the team to draw it back). I would expect any team and player to do it.

I see it like the extreme end of the good foul - taking one for the team to stop a good attack. In this case, take a red card and a pen to stop a goal.

Anyone is the same position would do the same thing what Suarez did, it's not his fault Ghana missed the subsequent penalty, the who ha over it is laughable, would anyone bat an eyelid had Germany, Spain, Brazil, Argentina, England, been on the receiving end instead of Ghana :no
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« Reply #5955 on: December 2, 2022, 01:46:16 pm »
Am looking forward to seeing Henry called up for France when they next play Ireland..... :-X

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« Reply #5956 on: December 2, 2022, 01:46:27 pm »
Anyone is the same position would do the same thing what Suarez did, it's not his fault Ghana missed the subsequent penalty, the who ha over it is laughable, would anyone bat an eyelid had Germany, Spain, Brazil, Argentina, England, been on the receiving end instead of Ghana :no

If England then absolutely, it would be seen as another Hand of God to the English. But otherwise probably not.

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« Reply #5957 on: December 2, 2022, 01:49:51 pm »
Am looking forward to seeing Henry called up for France when they next play Ireland..... :-X

Henry and Ireland was real bad, and the difference I would say is he didn't get punished. Suarez did - he weighed up the pros and cons and felt a red card and a pen was better than a goal conceded.

It's clever and I don't begrudge any player for making that choice.

I remember Neville did the same thing against us once in the Derby. We were already 2-0 up and scored the pen so not quite the same, but the response was "Yeah of course he did that. It's what you do if you can"

So yeah Suarez in my book was fine to do it. He took his punishment fairly, and in the end the gamble paid off. Tough on Ghana but fair enough in my book.

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Re: World Cup: football & teams discussion, plus in-game comments (no flooding!)
« Reply #5958 on: December 2, 2022, 01:51:15 pm »
Hope Suarez goes full villain mode here, dives, snidey fouls, punching the ball into the net then biting someone before he goes off, leaving commentators awestruck at his utter bastardiness.
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Re: World Cup: football & teams discussion, plus in-game comments (no flooding!)
« Reply #5959 on: December 2, 2022, 01:52:17 pm »
Hope Suarez goes full villain mode here, dives, snidey fouls, punching the ball into the net then biting someone before he goes off, leaving commentators awestruck at his utter bastardiness.

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