Topic: Never mind 'Stop the Boats' - STOP THE TORIES

[reddebs]

I've just spent a couple of days in the labour stronghold of fascist Barnsley where the general consensus for everything that's wrong with the health service, homelessness, the economy and rising prices is due to voting labour all their lives and letting too many of those 'bastards' in.

The country is overun and overcrowded and there's not enough of anything to go around 😡

[west_london_red]

His angle will be....

"Brexit, by golly, by bumptious-numptious, what a bollocks-up! Omni-shit-show. You know it, I know it, Pepa Pig knows it! And that's why, stone the jackdaws, we should get back into Euro-Euro Land. Not afraid to say it. My mistake. Admit it. Politicos never fess-up when pear-shaped it goes, but I do. Full disclosure. It didn't work. My fault-a-mondo.

But I can fix it. Trust me, do. Vote for me and I'll get us back. Bendy carrots? Who cares. Polack plumbers? Love 'em. I'm Yours Delors. Yes, you heard it here first. We're back IN!"

It’s like he’s actually talking to me

[Kenny's Jacket]

Over 6,300 people in Chester in spite of everything this year decided the best way forward for the country was to vote Conservative. Staggering!

For context, 4000 people. voted Tory in Walton, where our Football ground is.

Id say 6000 Tories in Chester is a good result.

[So… Howard Philips]

Over 6,300 people in Chester in spite of everything this year decided the best way forward for the country was to vote Conservative. Staggering!

Quite a few rural farming areas. Not too sure if there still isn’t a Hunt held in the outer fringes either.

Since I moved here we had the, alleged, nonce Morrison and the peculiar Giles Brandreth. Since then it swung from Labour to a very anodyne and forgettable Tory followed by ‘Naughty’ Chris Matheson (my Blue grandson tells me he’s a Goodison season ticket holder so clear evidence he’s a wrong ‘un).

[Wabaloolah]

I've just spent a couple of days in the labour stronghold of fascist Barnsley where the general consensus for everything that's wrong with the health service, homelessness, the economy and rising prices is due to voting labour all their lives and letting too many of those 'bastards' in.

The country is overun and overcrowded and there's not enough of anything to go around 😡

you should have said and now one of them is a Conservative PM to guage their reaction!

[So… Howard Philips]

For context, 4000 people. voted Tory in Walton, where our Football ground is.

Id say 6000 Tories in Chester is a good result.

Blimey!

If I lived in one of the million pound detached residences with their own orchard and external granny flat in Chester I can understand them voting Tory.

But inner City Liverpool. Utterly weird but this is the City that used to have Protestant Party Councillors so this Tory support may be a residue of that theme.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liverpool_Protestant_Party

[PaulF]

I've just spent a couple of days in the labour stronghold of fascist Barnsley where the general consensus for everything that's wrong with the health service, homelessness, the economy and rising prices is due to voting labour all their lives and letting too many of those 'bastards' in.

The country is overun and overcrowded and there's not enough of anything to go around 😡

Seriously though, how do we change that perception?

[Kenny's Jacket]

Blimey!

If I lived in one of the million pound detached residences with their own orchard and external granny flat in Chester I can understand them voting Tory.

But inner City Liverpool. Utterly weird but this is the City that used to have Protestant Party Councillors so this Tory support may be a residue of that theme.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liverpool_Protestant_Party

Never heard pf them before Howie, like an olden day ERG. 
Popular in Kirkdale, blue nose bastards

[Stockholm Syndrome]

Seriously though, how do we change that perception?

Those people die, we spend money to give these hopeless left behind places some more opportunities, and hopefully their children are better and more culturally aware.

That's it really, the deeply entrenched racists and homophobes the only way they stop being that is time takes them, and hopefully that mindset is superceded by acts from wider society making the next generation more and more aware

[reddebs]

you should have said and now one of them is a Conservative PM to guage their reaction!

I tried to argue that labour haven't been in government for over a decade and got "they've all got their noses in the same trough" in response.

Their remedy was to be waiting for them on the beach with AK15s instead of food and blankets and a warm place to sleep.

It's just too easy to blame those less fortunate instead of those who have the means to help.

[Dr. Beaker]

Seriously though, how do we change that perception?

Those people were always there, but they couldn't say those things before Frottage and Cameron gave legitimacy to their darker inner feelings (I nearly said 'thoughts'). Somehow a way to reset that Great British Spirit of Fair Play is required. Bombard the TV with holocaust stuff, and get Starmer to come out with loads of cleverly worded barbs to shame people who feel that way perhaps.

If I was a Barnsley Asian I would be thinking let's have a big food giveaway to the homeless, everyone loves Asian food, Christ it's irresistible compared to our shite. Asians seem to do a lot of this sort of stuff anyway, so give it a bit more publicity and show everyone that there still is a British sense of fair play. The big question is, I suppose; Do the people of Barnsley deserve it?

Sorry, this is probably all a load of old bollocks but I'm an old man who has only just got up.

[So… Howard Philips]

Never heard pf them before Howie, like an olden day ERG. 
Popular in Kirkdale, blue nose bastards

They faded into obscurity in the early 1970s.

I only found out when I started voting in 1970. Mentioned to my dad  why people in the Garston constituency (20,000+) voted Tory. He then told me about the Protestant Party and how extreme they were - and he had an Orange mother but had benefited from a decent education and learning about socialism in the Navy.

[PaulF]

Those people were always there, but they couldn't say those things before Frottage and Cameron gave legitimacy to their darker inner feelings (I nearly said 'thoughts'). Somehow a way to reset that Great British Spirit of Fair Play is required. Bombard the TV with holocaust stuff, and get Starmer to come out with loads of cleverly worded barbs to shame people who feel that way perhaps.

If I was a Barnsley Asian I would be thinking let's have a big food giveaway to the homeless, everyone loves Asian food, Christ it's irresistible compared to our shite. Asians seem to do a lot of this sort of stuff anyway, so give it a bit more publicity and show everyone that there still is a British sense of fair play. The big question is, I suppose; Do the people of Barnsley deserve it?

Sorry, this is probably all a load of old bollocks but I'm an old man who has only just got up.

I think you are on the right lines though. We have to show the good that comes from immigration.
Personally, I'm wrestling with the belief we can't have uncontrolled immigration and a welfare state that supports all, so therefore we need 'controls'.  But how do we set the limits and how do we agree on the nuance?

[spen71]

Javid not standing at next general election.     Another rat leaving a sinking ship

[Kenny's Jacket]

I'm wrestling with the belief we can't have uncontrolled immigration and a welfare state that supports all, so therefore we need 'controls'.  But how do we set the limits and how do we agree on the nuance?

Its very interesting.  Is there a number we cant go over.  If there is, should we be discouraging people from having too many children.

I think you could discourage western migration and open up safe routes for people seeking asylum.

[Libertine]

Worst result for them there since 1832.

A Moyes-esque record for Sunak.

[Nobby Reserve]

Seriously though, how do we change that perception?

Ban the Daily Heil/Express/Torygraph/rag for a fucking start, spreading their hate and racist bullshit.


Seriously, these people saying this in Barnsley or wherever feel failed by 'the system'. They see the consumerist nirvana portrayed by brainwashing adverts and 'celebridees' with their ostentatious lifestyles, and contrast it to their own existences. The modern consumerists society dismisses you as a failure if you can't afford that nice house with shiny new kitchen, that cool car, those idyllic holidays, that expensive perfume for your immaculate missus and the jewellery.

They're told by the papers they buy/read and the social media they follow that it's the fault of immigrants and the EU and benefit scroungers and lefty-wokeists and unions. And they can see there are people who dont look and sound like them, living all around them And they'll build up in their heads that these furriners seem like they're doing ok, better than themselves (mostly the opposite is true). They conclude that, as they themselves are struggling, there's just not enough to go round with all these extra people.

Yet there is more than enough wealth to go round. The problem is that too much of it is hoarded by a tiny financial elite.

Richest 1% have almost a quarter of UK wealth, study claims

Official figures have missed £800bn of private assets, says thinktank, amid calls for wealth tax to fund Covid recovery

https://www.theguardian.com/inequality/2021/jan/03/richest-1-have-almost-a-quarter-of-uk-wealth-study-claims

Of course, the [tax-dodging, billionaire] owners of those newspapers I listed (Rothermere, Barclay, Murdoch) want to divert the attention of the disaffected away from billionaires and tax-dodging shitbags. So they manufacture demons for the oiks to hate.

[reddebs]

Those people were always there, but they couldn't say those things before Frottage and Cameron gave legitimacy to their darker inner feelings (I nearly said 'thoughts'). Somehow a way to reset that Great British Spirit of Fair Play is required. Bombard the TV with holocaust stuff, and get Starmer to come out with loads of cleverly worded barbs to shame people who feel that way perhaps.

If I was a Barnsley Asian I would be thinking let's have a big food giveaway to the homeless, everyone loves Asian food, Christ it's irresistible compared to our shite. Asians seem to do a lot of this sort of stuff anyway, so give it a bit more publicity and show everyone that there still is a British sense of fair play. The big question is, I suppose; Do the people of Barnsley deserve it?

Sorry, this is probably all a load of old bollocks but I'm an old man who has only just got up.

There isn't a big Asian community in Barnsley it's mainly Eastern Europeans so Polish, Lithuanian, Romanian, Albanian and now Ukrainian.

Your point still stands of course but they'd only moan that something should be done to help the white British community so you'll never win with them.

[thaddeus]

Javid not standing at next general election.     Another rat leaving a sinking ship

They're not committed enough to remain as MPs in opposition and that's assuming they event retain their seats at the next GE.  Eye-watering money to be made for any MP that feathered their nest during their time "serving" the public, particularly so for some of the higher profile cabinet ministers.

Worst result for them there since 1832.

A Moyes-esque record for Sunak.

More of the same.  Hopefully Labour make a big fuss about this to undermine the already shaky foundations that Sunak is standing atop.

[west_london_red]

Never heard pf them before Howie, like an olden day ERG. 
Popular in Kirkdale, blue nose bastards

It’s been mentioned in these topics here and there over the years, there was also an Irish Nationalist MP in Liverpool for quite a while up until the 1930’s by the name of TP O’Connor.

[west_london_red]

Hopefully Labour make a big fuss about this to undermine the already shaky foundations that Sunak is standing atop.

I think we’re in OGS territory now where we might want him to win a game or two just to keep him in position.

[Kenny's Jacket]

It’s been mentioned in these topics here and there over the years, there was also an Irish Nationalist MP in Liverpool for quite a while up until the 1930’s by the name of TP O’Connor.

I bet TP spent a lot of time at The Wigwam.   

[Red Beret]

I think we’re in OGS territory now where we might want him to win a game or two just to keep him in position.

Who cares? What are they going to do - give the magic tory leader tree another shake to see who else falls out?

[PaulF]

Ban the Daily Heil/Express/Torygraph/rag for a fucking start, spreading their hate and racist bullshit.


Seriously, these people saying this in Barnsley or wherever feel failed by 'the system'. They see the consumerist nirvana portrayed by brainwashing adverts and 'celebridees' with their ostentatious lifestyles, and contrast it to their own existences. The modern consumerists society dismisses you as a failure if you can't afford that nice house with shiny new kitchen, that cool car, those idyllic holidays, that expensive perfume for your immaculate missus and the jewellery.

They're told by the papers they buy/read and the social media they follow that it's the fault of immigrants and the EU and benefit scroungers and lefty-wokeists and unions. And they can see there are people who dont look and sound like them, living all around them And they'll build up in their heads that these furriners seem like they're doing ok, better than themselves (mostly the opposite is true). They conclude that, as they themselves are struggling, there's just not enough to go round with all these extra people.

Yet there is more than enough wealth to go round. The problem is that too much of it is hoarded by a tiny financial elite.

https://www.theguardian.com/inequality/2021/jan/03/richest-1-have-almost-a-quarter-of-uk-wealth-study-claims

Of course, the [tax-dodging, billionaire] owners of those newspapers I listed (Rothermere, Barclay, Murdoch) want to divert the attention of the disaffected away from billionaires and tax-dodging shitbags. So they manufacture demons for the oiks to hate.

You do sound like a broken record. But that doesn't make you wrong.
 I too feel like it's a combo of unrealistic aspirations. Too much wealth in the hands of too few.  And, to a lesser extent, the few making us look the other way.,
Is there , I wonder, also an element of tory voters that think they are doing alright, but would be taxed out of alright under a labour govnt.

[Kenny's Jacket]

I think we’re in OGS territory now where we might want him to win a game or two just to keep him in position.

Nah, hes as good as they have, another change will damage them beyond comprehension.  Their only card left, would be someone like Gove, cos hes white and didnt fuck over Johnson

[PaulF]

Never mind a Harry Macguire budget, we've got an OGS cabinet!

[Dr. Beaker]

Nah, hes as good as they have, another change will damage them beyond comprehension.  Their only card left, would be someone like Gove, cos hes white and didnt fuck over Johnson

Except he did.

[Kenny's Jacket]

Except he did.

Did he?  I remember Johnson fucking over Gove years ago. Cant remember the other way around.  2.

[Dr. Beaker]

Didn't he ditch Johnson at the last minute in the leadership election saying he wasn't made of the right stuff to be leader - something like that anyway, really shit on him.

[Riquende]

The Saj is off, probably to go back to terrorising the Thunderbirds.

[Wabaloolah]

I tried to argue that labour haven't been in government for over a decade and got "they've all got their noses in the same trough" in response.

Their remedy was to be waiting for them on the beach with AK15s instead of food and blankets and a warm place to sleep.

It's just too easy to blame those less fortunate instead of those who have the means to help.

wow, that's a shocking response. To be honest idiots like this should be made to live in an oppressed country ( maybe export them to Rwanda instead )

[Nobby Reserve]

You do sound like a broken record.

It needs to be said!

The Jesusists kept battering the same message for centuries!

 

[Wabaloolah]

Didn't he ditch Johnson at the last minute in the leadership election saying he wasn't made of the right stuff to be leader - something like that anyway, really shit on him.

yes that's correct, he was running his leadership campaign when May got the gig and then dumped him like a sack of shite

[reddebs]

wow, that's a shocking response. To be honest idiots like this should be made to live in an oppressed country ( maybe export them to Rwanda instead )

This is coming from 2 women my age and one of their sons but it really wears me down having to listen to it and still be polite.

It's one of the reasons I try to keep the conversation away from politics but this outburst came from me mentioning the little lad who died due to mould in his flat and another one that died as the hospital didn't have a bed or a doctor to administer intravenous antibiotics for a chest infection.

It boggles my mind how people can't see what a fucked up mess the country has been left in after 12yrs of Tory governance yet think labour is to blame 🤷

[KillieRed]

Gove was supposedly supporting Bozo’s bid but eventually came out with something like: “he’s crap, but good news I have decided to run for Prime Minister!”. I can still see his creepy-approximation-of-a-smile face beaming with the expectation that the journos there would be bowled over. He really did think he was popular & would be Prime Minister. Since then it’s been a downward spiral of divorce, alleged drug intake & sex parties for the upstanding member of parliament. Wait…is he back in the cabinet? It’s hard to keep track.

[Dr. Beaker]

I think it was the dancing that fucked him up.

[Nobby Reserve]

Gove was supposedly supporting Bozo’s bid but eventually came out with something like: “he’s crap, but good news I have decided to run for Prime Minister!”. I can still see his creepy-approximation-of-a-smile face beaming with the expectation that the journos there would be bowled over. He really did think he was popular & would be Prime Minister. Since then it’s been a downward spiral of divorce, alleged drug intake & sex parties for the upstanding member of parliament. Wait…is he back in the cabinet? It’s hard to keep track.

Gove was Rothermere's/Dacre's man. But the Barclay and Murdoch papers went in hard on him.

[Jiminy Cricket]

I think it was the dancing that fucked him up.

That was a fantastic cultural moment I will never forget!

[Machae]

Ban the Daily Heil/Express/Torygraph/rag for a fucking start, spreading their hate and racist bullshit

They had a chance to reform them after the phone hacking scandal, but the twat Cameron opted against it. They can pretty much do whatever they want, dictate elections and spout hatred. They talk about bills and legislation over the influence of.social media, but nothing about newspapers

Doubt Starmer would do anything either, so its pretty much as you were, in order to 'protect free press'

[Kenny's Jacket]

Gove was supposedly supporting Bozo’s bid but eventually came out with something like: “he’s crap, but good news I have decided to run for Prime Minister!”. I can still see his creepy-approximation-of-a-smile face beaming with the expectation that the journos there would be bowled over. He really did think he was popular & would be Prime Minister. Since then it’s been a downward spiral of divorce, alleged drug intake & sex parties for the upstanding member of parliament. Wait…is he back in the cabinet? It’s hard to keep track.

Wasnt Gove supposed to run with Johonsons backing, but then Johnson decided to run.  Thats what happened in my head anyway. Id have put a fiver on it