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Re: Anfield Set For 12 Month Rail Seating Trial
« Reply #40 on: June 16, 2021, 06:53:16 pm »
Makes complete sense, the injures i've had over the years when celebrating is quite ridiculous. My 18st mate ended up falling on me when Wijnaldum scored his second against Barcelona. We both ended up two rows in front of where we were originally.

Add in VAR halting goal celebrations and that's Health and Safety sorted, no more of those irritating celebration injuries.

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Re: Anfield Set For 12 Month Rail Seating Trial
« Reply #41 on: June 16, 2021, 07:23:47 pm »
Good news, baby steps towards what we really want, but other clubs are doing it and think it's great we are.

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Re: Anfield Set For 12 Month Rail Seating Trial
« Reply #42 on: June 16, 2021, 10:51:22 pm »
Add in VAR halting goal celebrations and that's Health and Safety sorted, no more of those irritating celebration injuries.

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Re: Anfield Set For 12 Month Rail Seating Trial
« Reply #43 on: June 17, 2021, 09:27:52 am »
Add in VAR halting goal celebrations and that's Health and Safety sorted, no more of those irritating celebration injuries.
I know what you mean but we could have quite easily have hurt someone in front of us.

A rail in front of my seat isn't going to stop us jumping all over each other when celebrating but it will stop the chances of us falling on top of the little kid that sits in front of us with his dad and grandad.

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Re: Anfield Set For 12 Month Rail Seating Trial
« Reply #44 on: June 17, 2021, 09:46:05 am »
Normal seats with rails behind them? There isn't enough space for my knees the way it is, hope the rails don't take up the extra space. Sounds a bit like worst of both worlds to be honest :-\
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Re: Anfield Set For 12 Month Rail Seating Trial
« Reply #45 on: June 17, 2021, 10:07:53 am »
Normal seats with rails behind them? There isn't enough space for my knees the way it is, hope the rails don't take up the extra space. Sounds a bit like worst of both worlds to be honest :-\

The rails will likely go down to the floor on the row in front with the seats fitted around this (where required) so it shouldn’t impact leg space at all. The top of the rail will be higher than knee height so they won’t get in the way either.

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Re: Anfield Set For 12 Month Rail Seating Trial
« Reply #46 on: June 17, 2021, 10:56:17 am »
Add in VAR halting goal celebrations and that's Health and Safety sorted, no more of those irritating celebration injuries.

Instead we'll have people smashing their heads on the bars behind them, as they flop backwards into their seat when we miss a sitter!!!  ;D

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Re: Anfield Set For 12 Month Rail Seating Trial
« Reply #47 on: June 17, 2021, 11:01:54 am »
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Re: Anfield Set For 12 Month Rail Seating Trial
« Reply #48 on: June 17, 2021, 05:59:55 pm »
It looks like seats have been taken out at the back of the Kop in preparation in this video featuring talk about the ARE redevelopment and rail seating.

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Re: Anfield Set For 12 Month Rail Seating Trial
« Reply #49 on: June 18, 2021, 08:58:53 am »
If it's safer, why not (eventually) just put them in front of all or most of the 60,000 seats?

My concern is they'll clamp down on persisting standing in the Kop. Whenever the Kop is seated it's always quiet. All the big European nights, The Kop is stood throughout.
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Re: Anfield Set For 12 Month Rail Seating Trial
« Reply #50 on: June 18, 2021, 09:15:34 am »
If it's safer, why not (eventually) just put them in front of all or most of the 60,000 seats?

My concern is they'll clamp down on persisting standing in the Kop. Whenever the Kop is seated it's always quiet. All the big European nights, The Kop is stood throughout.
It is needed in front of all seats, especially in upper tiers. I was at the England Croatia game on Sunday and a guy fell out of the top tier and landed about 5 rows behind me. This must have been a 10m drop if not more as there are two tiers of boxes in between the tiers.

This was before the game and I have no idea what happened but the stadiums in the UK need bars between the seats. I have been to grounds around Europe and almost all the upper tiers have some form of rails where the stands are steep.

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Re: Anfield Set For 12 Month Rail Seating Trial
« Reply #51 on: June 18, 2021, 09:57:31 am »
It is needed in front of all seats, especially in upper tiers. I was at the England Croatia game on Sunday and a guy fell out of the top tier and landed about 5 rows behind me. This must have been a 10m drop if not more as there are two tiers of boxes in between the tiers.

This was before the game and I have no idea what happened but the stadiums in the UK need bars between the seats. I have been to grounds around Europe and almost all the upper tiers have some form of rails where the stands are steep.

Yeah, that's  what I mean. If it's a safety issue then put them in front of all the seats. Obviously it's a trial first.

I always said 'safe standing' was the wrong way to approach it/sell it. Only now is it being referred to as rail seating which is a lot less emotive.
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Re: Anfield Set For 12 Month Rail Seating Trial
« Reply #52 on: June 18, 2021, 10:03:04 am »
It is needed in front of all seats, especially in upper tiers. I was at the England Croatia game on Sunday and a guy fell out of the top tier and landed about 5 rows behind me. This must have been a 10m drop if not more as there are two tiers of boxes in between the tiers.

This was before the game and I have no idea what happened but the stadiums in the UK need bars between the seats. I have been to grounds around Europe and almost all the upper tiers have some form of rails where the stands are steep.

Only amazed something like that hasn't happened sooner, I remember when we equalised against City in the league Cup final and most of us toppled into the row in front, could easily have been a situation of people cascading down multiple rows and off the front of the stand.
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Re: Anfield Set For 12 Month Rail Seating Trial
« Reply #53 on: June 18, 2021, 11:45:25 am »
It is needed in front of all seats, especially in upper tiers. I was at the England Croatia game on Sunday and a guy fell out of the top tier and landed about 5 rows behind me. This must have been a 10m drop if not more as there are two tiers of boxes in between the tiers.

This was before the game and I have no idea what happened but the stadiums in the UK need bars between the seats. I have been to grounds around Europe and almost all the upper tiers have some form of rails where the stands are steep.

I am guessing that was the incident mentioned in the news then, with a man being in critical condition.

Absolutely right there should be rails in those top tiers. The top tier of the Main Stand is steep as well, and I´ve always thought the bar at the front to the tier below doesn´t look all that either.


Yeah, that's  what I mean. If it's a safety issue then put them in front of all the seats. Obviously it's a trial first.

I always said 'safe standing' was the wrong way to approach it/sell it. Only now is it being referred to as rail seating which is a lot less emotive.

The increase in safety in terms of rails preventing people toppling into the rows below has to be pretty clear cut.

But according to the TAW video posted by SOS above, one of the other saftey concerns is whether such rails will encourage persistent standing.

That is a key difference, albiet I think a slightly disingenuous one as they are going to be trialling these in the parts of the stadium where they know everyone stands anyway. And if you have a rail than standing is surely removed as an issue of safety anyway?

Also the difference between safe-standing and rail-seating is also that safe-standing holds out the possibility of having a ratio above 1-1 seat/standing space, whereas rail seating does not.

Also, does the occasional person sitting in an area full of people standing in rail-seats itself pose a safety risk?

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Re: Anfield Set For 12 Month Rail Seating Trial
« Reply #54 on: June 18, 2021, 03:03:44 pm »
If ever there was a clip to sell in the idea of rail seating its this one. You can see many go flying.

https://twitter.com/kevwalsh_/status/1248727763978194944

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Re: Anfield Set For 12 Month Safe Standing Trial
« Reply #55 on: June 19, 2021, 10:01:18 am »
Hope it doesn't mean they clamp down on the rest of the Kop more to compensate, we've been getting away with it a lot in recent seasons once they realised we were actually helping the atmosphere.

I'm really surprised and pleased to see this news, but I had this thought as well - hopefully just my initial negative thinking.

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Re: Anfield Set For 12 Month Safe Standing Trial
« Reply #56 on: June 21, 2021, 07:45:53 pm »
Hope it doesn't mean they clamp down on the rest of the Kop more to compensate, we've been getting away with it a lot in recent seasons once they realised we were actually helping the atmosphere.

Or maybe it'll normalise it a bit? And it'll continue?

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Re: Anfield Set For 12 Month Rail Seating Trial
« Reply #57 on: June 22, 2021, 10:33:51 am »

I always said 'safe standing' was the wrong way to approach it/sell it. Only now is it being referred to as rail seating which is a lot less emotive.

Not sure I agree mate. Part of me would like to see us remove 'safe' and just call it 'standing'. We need to completely dispel the myth that Hillsborough was caused by standing, and that standing, per se, was ever unsafe.

I do get where you're coming from, though, like.
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Re: Anfield Set For 12 Month Rail Seating Trial
« Reply #58 on: July 31, 2021, 12:35:07 pm »
just seen Man United have setup their rail seating too, although their signs still say fans are meant to sit
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Re: Anfield Set For 12 Month Rail Seating Trial
« Reply #59 on: August 7, 2021, 11:48:55 am »
Looking at the pics of the Kop standing seats the Club have posted today, I was surprised.  I thought they were meant to be dual purpose, but looks like those areas can never be used as anything other than standing areas as you'd have the rails in your eyeline if seated.  Or is it an optical illusion and you can see over the top?

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Re: Anfield Set For 12 Month Rail Seating Trial
« Reply #60 on: August 7, 2021, 11:49:26 am »
No one sits there anyway

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Re: Anfield Set For 12 Month Rail Seating Trial
« Reply #61 on: August 7, 2021, 11:53:59 am »
Looking at the pics of the Kop standing seats the Club have posted today, I was surprised.  I thought they were meant to be dual purpose, but looks like those areas can never be used as anything other than standing areas as you'd have the rails in your eyeline if seated.  Or is it an optical illusion and you can see over the top?

Pretty sure you can. They’ve been used elsewhere already and would be a pretty well known issue if you couldn’t use seats as, well, seats.

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Re: Anfield Set For 12 Month Rail Seating Trial
« Reply #62 on: August 7, 2021, 12:00:05 pm »
Watch the latest TAW video on YouTube, John Giibbons is sat in one. The bar is probably at gut height when sat.

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Re: Anfield Set For 12 Month Rail Seating Trial
« Reply #63 on: August 7, 2021, 12:03:15 pm »
Watch the latest TAW video on YouTube, John Giibbons is sat in one. The bar is probably at gut height when sat.

Here https://youtu.be/jFRXYQI1zLI

Might possibly get in the way for kids? Looks totally fine for adults.

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« Reply #64 on: August 7, 2021, 12:12:15 pm »
Here https://youtu.be/jFRXYQI1zLI

Might possibly get in the way for kids? Looks totally fine for adults.

Kids will stand on the seats like they always do

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Re: Anfield Set For 12 Month Rail Seating Trial
« Reply #65 on: August 21, 2021, 03:11:26 pm »
I didn't see any rails at the Anfield Road End today. I thought it was to be trialled here from the start of the season. Does anyone know the reason?

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Re: Anfield Set For 12 Month Rail Seating Trial
« Reply #66 on: August 21, 2021, 05:59:50 pm »
Definitely wasn't any. Purposefully bought my ticket there to try it out (though I quite like it there anyway). Who knows.

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Re: Anfield Set For 12 Month Rail Seating Trial
« Reply #67 on: August 21, 2021, 07:27:26 pm »
I didn't see any rails at the Anfield Road End today. I thought it was to be trialled here from the start of the season. Does anyone know the reason?

Not had chance to install it all, but I thought they were supposed to install before the start, obviously not had time.

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Re: Anfield Set For 12 Month Rail Seating Trial
« Reply #68 on: August 21, 2021, 09:58:12 pm »
Fucking brilliant these. Lean forward for a rest and they're there, lean back for a rest and they're there, sit down at half time and you've got something to rest your head against ;D

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Re: Anfield Set For 12 Month Rail Seating Trial
« Reply #69 on: August 23, 2021, 10:43:08 pm »
Not installed in our seats but tested them out and totally agree with Welshred.
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Re: Anfield Set For 12 Month Rail Seating Trial
« Reply #70 on: August 24, 2021, 09:22:05 am »
Yeah they're spot on. Plus it gives you a coat rack in the sauna of the 300s.
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« Reply #71 on: August 24, 2021, 11:59:51 am »
Fucking brilliant these. Lean forward for a rest and they're there, lean back for a rest and they're there, sit down at half time and you've got something to rest your head against ;D

Very jealous not to have them in my seat, I'm not match fit at all and was knackered by half-time ;D
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Re: Anfield Set For 12 Month Rail Seating Trial
« Reply #72 on: August 29, 2021, 08:02:50 am »
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-58357046

Government plans to lift football standing ban

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Plans to lift the ban on standing in the English Premier League and Championship are set to be announced by the government, the BBC has learned.
It is thought a handful of grounds will be able to use designated safe standing areas before the end of the season.
It would mean for the first time in over 25 years, fans of some top flight football clubs would be legally allowed to stand and watch their team play.
An official announcement is expected as soon as next month.


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Re: Anfield Set For 12 Month Rail Seating Trial
« Reply #73 on: August 29, 2021, 08:16:45 pm »
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-58357046

Government plans to lift football standing ban



The Club really needs to get behind this,put and end once and for all to the narrative that the disaster happened because of standing.
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Re: Anfield Set For 12 Month Rail Seating Trial
« Reply #74 on: August 30, 2021, 09:32:43 am »
Still no rail seats at the ARE. Maybe they'll be installed during the international break..

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Re: Anfield Set For 12 Month Rail Seating Trial
« Reply #75 on: September 10, 2021, 02:40:31 am »
Still no rail seats at the ARE. Maybe they'll be installed during the international break..

Any update on this from anyone? ARE was supposed to be one of the areas to be converted to rail seating along with the back of the Kop.
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« Reply #76 on: September 22, 2021, 12:38:29 pm »
The Athletic reporting safe standing trial for Premier League & Championship will start 1st Jan 2022

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Re: Anfield Set For 12 Month Rail Seating Trial
« Reply #78 on: September 22, 2021, 01:13:56 pm »
Clubs must apply to be an "early adopter" by Oct 6th - be interesting if the club do so.

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« Reply #79 on: September 22, 2021, 02:59:43 pm »
Haven't we already started? Or does this mean something different?
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