Topic: The Men in Suits behind the scenes

[killer-heels]

Things like - yes we can defintiely afford your fee? We can bid for in january if you like? That kind of vibe

More like, its shit at Anfield, its better at a place that rhymes with Bold Nafford. But of course not to tell Jurgen else he would kill them.

[Samie]

Look if people are worried Edwards and co will end up t Newcastle or Chelsea because of the pay rise. What's to stop us taking someone like Brentford's recruitment team? 

[killer-heels]

Look if people are worried Edwards and co will end up t Newcastle or Chelsea because of the pay rise. What's to stop us taking someone like Brentford's recruitment team? 

They are now at Real Madrid.

[killer-heels]

Important to note that Ian Graham was the guy who gave that presentation about how its better not to sign players.

[Samie]

They are now at Real Madrid.

Then we go Red Bull Salzburg.

[killer-heels]

Then we go Red Bull Salzburg.

They are at Leipzig.

[CraigDS]

It's very possible that Edwards will have a new job lined up and will bring his own people with him. Ward and Graham being just that.

Would Ward want to go back to playing second fiddle to Edwards?

[El Lobo]

Would Ward want to go back to playing second fiddle to Edwards?

He wont be though, Edwards is moving from Newcastle to PSG

[Samie]

They are at Leipzig.

They're not. Leipzig and Salzburg have diffrent recruitment teams.

[bird_lfc]

Ah good, we needed something to moan about with the World Cup going on.

[Peabee]

Stop thinking that everything is a negative here. It’s been obvious that other teams have been taking a leaf out of our book, it maybe that we need to reset ourselves to go forward.

Not just a leaf, Jill. Newcastle have a few of our backroom staff already. At their level of pay, they don’t have to break the bank to poach them. If you were on £60-80k and another club offered £250k, would you turn it down? I wouldn’t. Even if it was Liverpool I was leaving. It’s a cheap* way for them to disrupt rival premier league clubs in as short a time as possible. Suddenly, those reports Klopp was getting in real-time at HT are delayed while we employ new staff and they learn the ropes. We’ll be fine in a few months, but the damage is done. They could just poach more staff next summer too.

City’s owners play tricks on a similar level but with their own staff. E.g. employing the family of the key coaches and players. That’s a cheap way of ensuring you keep the key staff at the club for longer.

FSG don’t use those dodgy practices as they don’t have a country’s wealth fund to tap into.


*by which I mean it’s cheaper than poaching managers, coaches or players.

[Red Beret]

The club is getting sold, I think these people are jumping ship that's all.

I get that people want to pre-empt being let go because finding another job can take time, but none of these people are poor. New owners might actually want to retain them, based on the success of their previous work. Having them all decide at once that they've just had enough is extremely bad for the club.

I realise we can be prone to overreacting as fans, but it does feel that things are unravelling a bit. I can only hope it means a takeover is imminent so that disruption is kept to a minimum.

[ChaChaMooMoo]

Ah good, we needed something to moan about with the World Cup going on.

I thought we needed something to not moan about with the world cup.

[NaivetyinBlack]

I get that people want to pre-empt being let go because finding another job can take time, but none of these people are poor. New owners might actually want to retain them, based on the success of their previous work. Having them all decide at once that they've just had enough is extremely bad for the club.

I realise we can be prone to overreacting as fans, but it does feel that things are unravelling a bit. I can only hope it means a takeover is imminent so that disruption is kept to a minimum.

3 resignations, while Gordon has been pulled back by FSG. I don't see any positive spin here. None.

[Greyfox]

3 resignations, while Gordon has been pulled back by FSG. I don't see any positive spin here. None.

if there had been any sort of outright animosity - they could have walked - like right now, not the end of the season.

If "they'd had enough"...why not go now? - there are people just below them - all of them would probably could step up.

[Red Beret]

3 resignations, while Gordon has been pulled back by FSG. I don't see any positive spin here. None.

If - IF - they've been poached by a rival, then maybe that was the catalyst for FSG to sell up?

[Sharado]

3 resignations, while Gordon has been pulled back by FSG. I don't see any positive spin here. None.

Yeah I think it's OK to be a bit 'ah well a new broom might help us' on one level but at the same time recognizing it's a bit chaotic and a bad 'look'. All this so soon after edwards just doesn't really pass the sniff test.

It's the sale - that this is apparently unrelated to - that's the unknown though. If there's a lot more sorted behind the scenes than we know then maybe it all makes a bit more sense.

[royhendo]

CHANGE THE PASSWORDS!

 

Love ya big fella.

[Dave McCoy]

Turnover in front offices isn’t anything out of the norm on this side of the Atlantic. But since there are similar structures at all the teams then there are a lot of recruiting options. That’s not the case in the PL as they seem to just canabalize each other. So on the one hand it shouldn’t be that big of a deal but on the other who is there to replace them with? Especially as it sounds like they won’t hire anyone from the outside until the sale is done. Giving Klopp and Ljinders free reign sounds like a terrible idea.

Any reason to think anything is lined up for January then? Probably not it seems unless Klopp’s also been working the phones while trying to piece together a team. Sigh…

[jillcwhomever]

Not just a leaf, Jill. Newcastle have a few of our backroom staff already. At their level of pay, they don’t have to break the bank to poach them. If you were on £60-80k and another club offered £250k, would you turn it down? I wouldn’t. Even if it was Liverpool I was leaving. It’s a cheap* way for them to disrupt rival premier league clubs in as short a time as possible. Suddenly, those reports Klopp was getting in real-time at HT are delayed while we employ new staff and they learn the ropes. We’ll be fine in a few months, but the damage is done. They could just poach more staff next summer too.

City’s owners play tricks on a similar level but with their own staff. E.g. employing the family of the key coaches and players. That’s a cheap way of ensuring you keep the key staff at the club for longer.

FSG don’t use those dodgy practices as they don’t have a country’s wealth fund to tap into.


*by which I mean it’s cheaper than poaching managers, coaches or players.

Never in a million years would I work at a club like Newcastle with their current owners. Money doesn’t motivate everyone.

[Crosby Nick]

They are at Leipzig.

It’s all gone a bit Two Ronnies in here.

[MPowerYNWA]

Never in a million years would I work at a club like Newcastle with their current owners. Money doesn’t motivate everyone.

I would if 5x salary, as I’m realistic about the hypocritical world we live in!!!

[Rawkybalboa]

I would if 5x salary, as I’m realistic about the hypocritical world we live in!!!

Exactly. Hypocrisy is being exposed big time. As it stands money talks

[redmark]

if there had been any sort of outright animosity - they could have walked - like right now, not the end of the season.

If "they'd had enough"...why not go now? - there are people just below them - all of them would probably could step up.

Contractual notice periods appear to be 'end of season'.

[JackWard33]

If it’s true most of the senior analysts are going it seems very unlikely they won’t be moving to a rival

[killer-heels]

Surely it causes a problem now with incoming transfers?

[SamLad]

Stop thinking that everything is a negative here. It’s been obvious that other teams have been taking a leaf out of our book, it maybe that we need to reset ourselves to go forward.

each of the departures by itself doesn't mean much, it's the cumulative effect.

and the concern is that our ability to remain competitive with oil clubs so far has been based on every part of LFC working at its peak, with everything running smoothly and in coordination (I'm not being naive - of course crap happens behind the scenes, like any big outfit).

any key component getting thrown out of whack (medical department) can really affect everything.

[killer-heels]

Turnover in front offices isn’t anything out of the norm on this side of the Atlantic. But since there are similar structures at all the teams then there are a lot of recruiting options. That’s not the case in the PL as they seem to just canabalize each other. So on the one hand it shouldn’t be that big of a deal but on the other who is there to replace them with? Especially as it sounds like they won’t hire anyone from the outside until the sale is done. Giving Klopp and Ljinders free reign sounds like a terrible idea.

Any reason to think anything is lined up for January then? Probably not it seems unless Klopp’s also been working the phones while trying to piece together a team. Sigh…

Dont see why we would keep them in place until May if they dont do anything. My concern however would be the summer as if we are telling players to sign for us then.

[Dave McCoy]

I’m pretty sure I said when Edwards left that part of it could be that there isn’t much for him to do if Klopp is going to stick around longer and wants to keep the core group around for as long as possible.  Now doubly so if the minimal amount of transfers are just going to be dictated by Ljinders with Klopp’s blessing, what’s the point of sticking around?

I don’t think that’s actually true but you have a lot of LFC reporters hinting as much.

[Dave McCoy]

Dont see why we would keep them in place until May if they dont do anything. My concern however would be the summer as if we are telling players to sign for us then.

Because that’s what their contract says. Did Brexit mean there are no longer employment protections as well?

Nobody in this group outside of Ward would be involved in recruitment pitches with players so I wouldn’t worry about that.

[markedasred]

each of the departures by itself doesn't mean much, it's the cumulative effect.

and the concern is that our ability to remain competitive with oil clubs so far has been based on every part of LFC working at its peak, with everything running smoothly and in coordination (I'm not being naive - of course crap happens behind the scenes, like any big outfit).

any key component getting thrown out of whack (medical department) can really affect everything.

It's a bit like when the BBC sold the great British bake off to channel 4 for £75million, but Mary Berry Mel and Sue would not go with it. They got a big tent and 10 kitchenettes for 75 mil. It is a bit shite these days. Our backroom team as it exists is surely a massive element of our value as a club, no?

[SamLad]

It's a bit like when the BBC sold the great British bake off to channel 4 for £75million, but Mary Berry Mel and Sue would not go with it. They got a big tent and 10 kitchenettes for 75 mil. It is a bit shite these days. Our backroom team as it exists is surely a massive element of our value as a club, no?

kinda like tech firms - the most valuable assets go home every night, and if they decide not to come back, replacing them can cripple you.

[Red Beret]

Well if we're losing suits in the summer I hope to fuck we have replacements lined up by then because we're not going to be able to do effective transfer business until the back room staff are sorted first.

[Eeyore]

Considering we got Ward from City when we poached Fallows and Hunter and Edwards joined from Spurs bringing Graham with him I don't think we can really complain too much when it happens to us.

[T.Mills]

Can’t sign a midfielder if you don't have a Transfer team.

[royhendo]

I’m pretty sure I said when Edwards left that part of it could be that there isn’t much for him to do if Klopp is going to stick around longer and wants to keep the core group around for as long as possible.  Now doubly so if the minimal amount of transfers are just going to be dictated by Ljinders with Klopp’s blessing, what’s the point of sticking around?

I don’t think that’s actually true but you have a lot of LFC reporters hinting as much.

I guess if you've got Klopp fielding texts from people wanting to play for him, it's a deal maker in the David Dein mould that you need first and foremost. We've already departed from the front line data-driven squad building haven't we?

[McSquared]

Looks like the club is going to shit. Thank fuck Klopp isn’t jumping ship

[FlashGordon]

I guess if you've got Klopp fielding texts from people wanting to play for him, it's a deal maker in the David Dein mould that you need first and foremost. We've already departed from the front line data-driven squad building haven't we?

Haha what's this about?

[killer-heels]

I guess if you've got Klopp fielding texts from people wanting to play for him, it's a deal maker in the David Dein mould that you need first and foremost. We've already departed from the front line data-driven squad building haven't we?

Think Ljinders mentioned Jota a lot and how him and Klopp were big fans. That summer we also brought in Thiago who doesnt need a load of spreadsheets worth of explanation to Klopp. Nunez also was bigged up by Klopp so maybe it seems the footballing lot have had a greater say in transfers than we think.

[Chris~]

Think Ljinders mentioned Jota a lot and how him and Klopp were big fans. That summer we also brought in Thiago who doesnt need a load of spreadsheets worth of explanation to Klopp. Nunez also was bigged up by Klopp so maybe it seems the footballing lot have had a greater say in transfers than we think.

Joyce said in his article Klopp has had a lot more influence over the last year, really wanted Diaz and Nunez. Could just be spin to say we don't need to worry about these people leaving as they weren that influential anymore I guess