Topic: COVID19 - Political Bollocks & Conspiracy Twatishness In Here

[Samie]

Who knows what will be unleashed here.   

https://apnews.com/article/virus-outbreak-egypt-cairo-a08f2c049953773591f7a2b48f5a9097?utm_medium=AP&utm_campaign=SocialFlow&utm_source=Twitter

Egypt says archaeologists unearthed dozens of ancient coffins in a vast necropolis south of Cairo. An official says most of the at least 59 sealed sarcophagi had mummies inside. They were buried in three wells more than 2,600 years ago.

[Lusty]

Who knows what will be unleashed here.   

https://apnews.com/article/virus-outbreak-egypt-cairo-a08f2c049953773591f7a2b48f5a9097?utm_medium=AP&utm_campaign=SocialFlow&utm_source=Twitter

Best get Chris Jericho on the phone quick.

[Samie]

 

Andy Hunter where you at?

[CraigDS]

Andy Hunter where you at?

Currently aboard a UFO being probed.

[So… Howard Philips]

Currently aboard a UFO being probed.

Or in the depths of a pyramid.

[LiamG]

No ones really arguing against the most likely scenario being that SARS-cov-2 settles into some kind of endemic equilibrium. Even people here have pointed that out to you numerous times.

But people are pushing back on the idea that it has already reached equilibrium or indeed arrived in January already at equilibrium as suggested by some on twitter. They also push back on the idea that we just have to accept whatever equilibrium it’s currently at and wait it out until that recedes a bit in the future - without trying force that level down instead.

I can definitely understand that but at what cost? Not just to the economy but peoples mental health, cancer patients heart disease patients,suicide rates etc

https://unherd.com/2020/10/covid-experts-there-is-another-way/

[RainbowFlick]

I can definitely understand that but at what cost? Not just to the economy but peoples mental health, cancer patients heart disease patients,suicide rates etc

https://unherd.com/2020/10/covid-experts-there-is-another-way/

People are able to get cancer treatments, heart disease treatments and whatever else. The NHS are not closed.

The arguments over mental health and suicide are fair, but I know there's some people that actually are finding the opposite effect. Better mental health from less stress, less socialising/face contact and better rest from possibly working from home. I help run a mental health support group with a few mates and it's really 50/50 in terms of whether people have found it difficult or not in an age range of about 15-35. Things are normal-enough right now to allow people to enjoy a fair amount of life's luxuries just with some restrictions.

I think people need to ask root-problem questions as opposed to just using mental health as a cover-all argument against lockdown or the restrictions we have in place.

[LiamG]

People are able to get cancer treatments, heart disease treatments and whatever else. The NHS are not closed.

The arguments over mental health and suicide are fair, but I know there's some people that actually are finding the opposite effect. Better mental health from less stress, less socialising/face contact and better rest from possibly working from home. I help run a mental health support group with a few mates and it's really 50/50 in terms of whether people have found it difficult or not in an age range of about 15-35. Things are normal-enough right now to allow people to enjoy a fair amount of life's luxuries just with some restrictions.

I think people need to ask root-problem questions as opposed to just using mental health as a cover-all argument against lockdown or the restrictions we have in place.

https://breastcancernow.org/about-us/media/press-releases/almost-one-million-women-in-uk-miss-vital-breast-screening-due-covid-19

EDIT : smilie removed it wasn't in reference to the link above, sorry

[Millie]

https://breastcancernow.org/about-us/media/press-releases/almost-one-million-women-in-uk-miss-vital-breast-screening-due-covid-19

Any need for the smiley?

[LiamG]

Any need for the smiley?

that wasn't beause of women missing screenings

[djahern]

I can definitely understand that but at what cost? Not just to the economy but peoples mental health, cancer patients heart disease patients,suicide rates etc

https://unherd.com/2020/10/covid-experts-there-is-another-way/

There’s nothing wrong with their suggestions there in theory but it begins to fall down when you look at who was in fact in our ICU during March/April. It wasn’t the over 85’s, it was the 50-70 group. The average age was 60. So allowing the majority back to normal runs the risk of the same happening on a large scale. And then other treatments by the NHS will grind to a halt. So do we isolate everyone over 50? How is that even possible? It should be possible to protect our care homes like they outline, I agree with that. But it won’t change the fact that those in care homes weren’t in our ICU in March/April when we approached 60% capacity nationwide - for covid patients alone.

[RainbowFlick]

https://breastcancernow.org/about-us/media/press-releases/almost-one-million-women-in-uk-miss-vital-breast-screening-due-covid-19

A better and earlier government response and the NHS having better pandemic preparation/resources should be what you're asking for here?

[LiamG]

A better and earlier government response and the NHS having better pandemic preparation/resources should be what you're asking for here?

Of course

[Rhi]

that wasn't beause of women missing screenings

Still highly inappropriate though, isn't it? There's an Modify post button for times like this or are you going to double down on this too?

[classycarra]

https://breastcancernow.org/about-us/media/press-releases/almost-one-million-women-in-uk-miss-vital-breast-screening-due-covid-19

So you've moved on from your ignorant assertion that the NHS wasn't overwhelmed them? Guess that's some progress, although the smug smiley suggests you don't realise you've contradicted yourself again.

Of course

And here you are agreeing that an earlier more effective lockdown would have made a difference to the backlog. Again, contradicting your previous position.

[LiamG]

Still highly inappropriate though, isn't it? There's an Modify post button for times like this or are you going to double down on this too?

no point in modyfing it when i've already been quoted, and i've messaged infowlerwetrust explaining

[LiamG]

So you've moved on from your ignorant assertion that the NHS wasn't overwhelmed them? Guess that's some progress, although the smug smiley suggests you don't realise you've contradicted yourself again.

And here you are agreeing that an earlier more effective lockdown would have made a difference to the backlog. Again, contradicting your previous position.

oh my stalker is here again

[CraigDS]

oh my stalker is here again

They aren't wrong though - last week you were posting that the NHS wasn't overwhelmed and was at something like 40% capacity. Now you're posting stuff that totally contradicts that.

[classycarra]

oh my stalker is here again

Pretty hard to forget some twitter-fueled guy on here repeatedly making weird statements. The most memorable being that the NHS wasn't even overwhelmed in the spring, and so we shouldn't be taking measures now since it was fine then.

For that guy to then, days later, gleefully paste a source showing just one measure for how health service was overwhelmed seemed striking.

The fact you don't realise you've contradicted yourself (again) makes it quite funny too, in a sad schadenfreude kind of way.

[Alan_X]

I can definitely understand that but at what cost? Not just to the economy but peoples mental health, cancer patients heart disease patients,suicide rates etc

https://unherd.com/2020/10/covid-experts-there-is-another-way/

By way of example, nursing homes should use staff with acquired immunity and perform frequent PCR testing of other staff and all visitors. Staff rotation should be minimized. Retired people living at home should have groceries and other essentials delivered to their home. When possible, they should meet family members outside rather than inside.

"Acquired immunity?" We don't know what the level of protection is or how long it lasts. Having the virus may make people immune permanently or for three months, maybe less. The idea that you would staff care homes with people who have had the virus in the hope that they have some kind of immunity is insane and irresponsible. The visiting carers who look after my Mum are in PPE - masks and aprons - and that's going toi keep her safe.

And 'retired people' meeting their families outside? In the fucking winter?

Who delivers the groceries and other essentials? Another entrirely separate delivery workfoprce selected from people with 'acquired immunity?'

[So… Howard Philips]

By way of example, nursing homes should use staff with acquired immunity and perform frequent PCR testing of other staff and all visitors. Staff rotation should be minimized. Retired people living at home should have groceries and other essentials delivered to their home. When possible, they should meet family members outside rather than inside.

"Acquired immunity?" We don't know what the level of protection is or how long it lasts. Having the virus may make people immune permanently or for three months, maybe less. The idea that you would staff care homes with people who have had the virus in the hope that they have some kind of immunity is insane and irresponsible. The visiting carers who look after my Mum are in PPE - masks and aprons - and that's going toi keep her safe.

And 'retired people' meeting their families outside? In the fucking winter?

Who delivers the groceries and other essentials? Another entrirely separate delivery workfoprce selected from people with 'acquired immunity?'

The other thing the 'eminent epedemiologists' didn't even touch upon was any thought of how the huge numbers of those who had to shield for six months due to serious health conditions should be protected.

A short puff piece to promote herd immunity, nothing else.

[LiamG]

Pretty hard to forget some twitter-fueled guy on here repeatedly making weird statements. The most memorable being that the NHS wasn't even overwhelmed in the spring, and so we shouldn't be taking measures now since it was fine then.

For that guy to then, days later, gleefully paste a source showing just one measure for how health service was overwhelmed seemed striking.

The fact you don't realise you've contradicted yourself (again) makes it quite funny too, in a sad schadenfreude kind of way.

and i based that on findings about ICU capacity and nightingale hospitals being relatively empty 

breast cancer screenings were paused in march

[LiamG]

And here you are agreeing that an earlier more effective lockdown would have made a difference to the backlog. Again, contradicting your previous position.

and when have i ever disagreed with the first lockdown?

[leroy]

https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1313553163354624006

I give you the standard bearer Sydney Murdock press.   So amazingly callous that even Fox News are stunned into silence.

[Welshred]

and i based that on findings about ICU capacity and nightingale hospitals being relatively empty 

breast cancer screenings were paused in march

Everything was paused in March. The NHS was only open to Covid and Emergency care. All routine, elective operations and outpatient appointments were cancelled indefinitely with staff redeployed across the network. There were physiotherapy service leads redeployed as ITU cleaners for instance. The only reason the NHS didn't seem overwhelmed was because the brilliance of the staff who work within it found ingenious ways of increasing ITU capacity by 3-400% to cope with the amount of Covid patients coming into hospital. Saying the NHS wasn't overwhelmed in March is a complete myth.

[LiamG]

Cameras to monitor social distancing??

https://youtu.be/Gm0VDVcuKeM

Don’t they do this sort of crap in China too??👀

[So… Howard Philips]

Cameras to monitor social distancing??

https://youtu.be/Gm0VDVcuKeM

Don’t they do this sort of crap in China too??👀

But the Chinese economy is booming, bars are open so they're doing something right.

[classycarra]

Cameras to monitor social distancing??

https://youtu.be/Gm0VDVcuKeM

Don’t they do this sort of crap in China too??👀

Have you bought a Carl Vernon t shirt?

Got to love the irony of a guy who (literally!) reads news articles out louds for his followers then getting his followers to pay him to keep doing it, and then buy one of his shirts.

Imagine lacking the self awareness to smugly wear one of his 'evolution of man to sheep' hoodies, thinking one is too smart to fall for what 'everyone else' is falling for, while you've just been convinced to dedicate your time to spreading that numpty's messages and giving him cash. Funny as fuck.

He's also got a "fear nothing" shirt, while he's just wet his pants about a picture taken in Kent with some rectangles on it

[kesey]

But the Chinese economy is booming, bars are open so they're doing something right.

What are you trying to say ?

[Alan_X]

Have you bought a Carl Vernon t shirt?

Got to love the irony of a guy who (literally!) reads news articles out louds for his followers then getting his followers to pay him to keep doing it, and then buy one of his shirts. "I'm not a sheep... I think for myself... I think exactly what I've been told to think by YouTube videos and FaceBook..."

Imagine lacking the self awareness to smugly wear one of his 'evolution of man to sheep' hoodies, thinking one is too smart to fall for what 'everyone else' is falling for, while you've just been convinced to dedicate your time to spreading that numpty's messages and giving him cash. Funny as fuck.

He's also got a "fear nothing" shirt, while he's just wet his pants about a picture taken in Kent with some rectangles on it

And the irony of people just regurgitating shite from dickheads like Carl Newson without bothering to investigate anything about what he's saying.

0.49 seconds into his piece you can see that the video is by Vivacity who are specialists in traffic analysis. I did a bit of research (ten seconds on Google) to see what they do:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FF8ZQBafPW0

Fuck all to do with surveillance or facial recognition. There are rectangles around pedestrians as well as cars, buses, bikes etc to give anonymised data on traffic densities and flows. That is then fed into traffic planning to adjust traffic light sequencing, enlarge footways and junctions etc.

Of course there could be applications for COVID in terms of seeing where the pavements etc aren't allowing for social distancing. Or if you're a conspiracy twat like Carl, you can scare the gullible into buying one of his shitty books about dealig with anxiety.

My tip: if you suffer from anxiety, don't watch Carl Newson and his mates. They're just in it for the t-shirt and book sales.

[gazzalfc]

Least the twat has been told to stop smirking when giving grim news speeches.

[So… Howard Philips]

Least the twat has been told to stop smirking when giving grim news speeches.

He's still incapable of acting or speaking with any gravitas, the useless twat.

[Fordy]

Don't understand why our gyms have to close but in Lancashire they don't.

WTF is all that about?

[LiamG]

So we aren't allowed to talk about conspiracies in a conspiracy thread

[So… Howard Philips]

Don't understand why our gyms have to close but in Lancashire they don't.

WTF is all that about?

Lancastrian's don't sweat?

If gyms in Merseyside take a judicial review against the Government hopefully they'll have to reveal the evidence of comparative transmission.

But I'm sure it's nothing to do with Lancashire having a preponderance of Tory MPs because they are a bunch of Brexit supporting toadies.

[Clint Eastwood]

Covid app is shite. You get important notifications that disappear when you click them.

Just had one telling me the risk in my area had changed.

[Dr. Beaker]

Lancastrian's don't sweat?

I thought it was York who doesn't sweat.

[Jshooters]

I thought it was York who doesn't sweat.

Nicely done, you certainly rose to the occasion there

[Dr. Beaker]

Nicely done, you certainly rose to the occasion there

Ya puddin'.

[Jshooters]

Ya puddin'.