Topic: COVID19 - Political Bollocks & Conspiracy Twatishness In Here

[oldfordie]

It's going to be VERY interesting revisiting this thread in a couple of years from now

Anyone want to make any more bold statements?

Like - nothing has changed

Like - we're still in a democracy and allowed free speech

Like - ******* (can't post an answer as we're all under a right-wing Nazi government)

Like - Covid was double plus ungood (yeh read a book ya divvy)

Like - well, the government took the piss but the new one has changed that back to before (as history does have a habit of repeating itself)

Like - didn't I talk bollocks

Like - shit I was wrong

Like - shit they were right

Like - yes all along I worked for the secret service and managed to convince you sheeple to follow me

Like - where's me lithium

Like - fuck me that Liverbloke was taking the piss and now he's in a correctional camp making clothing for Next

Like - yep, we found a cure and... erm... what pandemic was this again?

Like - I would post on here but my keyboard is only available in Chinese characters

Like - they were wrong about 5G it WAS a virus carrier but man could I watch the game on my phone with no streaming problems so not that bad after all

Like - can I take this tin foil hat off now or not?

Like - how did Liverbloke become PM?

Like - funny how it turned out that Heroin was the cure for Covid

Like - man I misjudged all those conspiracy theories and now I'm married to a lizzard

Like - How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Virus

Like - don't worry about a thing because every little thing is gonna be alright (even though not every little thing obviously)

...

disclaimer: not aimed at anyone in particular (just in case they get into power or join the secret police)

 

I don't know about a couple of years from now, next year should be enough.
 Assuming the government don't enforce stricter lockdown rules and enforce them more vigorously then then the covid numbers are certain to go up, the government maybe starting to panic now as winter is coming, the NHS will be overwhelmed, so what happens then? I suppose we have to have a national lockdown again. I know the country can't afford to do this and the majority of people don't want it but any other suggestions?
How the public react to the inevitable stricter lockdowns will tell us how next year will pan out, if the majority return to the mindset they had a few months back and follow the basic Covid regulations then things could become more stable to help us get to a time when a vaccine sorts this out.

Had to smile at some of the photos of the angry Covid protesters, where have they been the last 5yrs. this government have been attacking our rights and our democracy for yrs, starting from May being in contempt of Parliament, how the Supreme courts upholding your rights are enemies of the people. how they plan to take away the power of the courts to force the government to obey the Law. Johnson proroguing Parliament illegally to silence the MP you voted to represent you in Parliament, taking us out of the European court of Human rights to take away your right to defend yourself from this governments actions. am sure there's more but I never heard a peep from the angry mobs.

[Floydy]

I'll go first .

We are fucked .

Wakey Wakey .

The title of this thread needs changing . Go ' ead Andy use your imagination this time .

not posted in here in the fear of ridicule, however i see and hear people laughing at others as tinpot conspiracy crackpots. It is easier to keep on being fooled than realising that you have\are actually being fooled.

I know it all seems bizarre but the 1% are exertingbtheir mind control and every body needs to wake up and quick.  New world order. Problem reaction solution.
The arrogance of the sheeple really offends me the fact they mock others for being free thinkers is a sorry state of affairs

[Floydy]

That's another part of their tactic . You / I / We feel alone and unsure about it all and therefore feel helpless and ' isolated ' . It's ' pure mind control and all contrived with a bit of Project Monarch and MK Ultra thrown in for good measures.

This. Igo the chippy and people dont talk. I go the shop have to que outside people avoid you like the plague. Mask wearing sheeple scared stiff and unapproachable is this the new way of life? . Lockdowns and curfews and no normal until we have all had the magic vaccine.
 Covid stands for certification of vaccination ID. What numbervwill you be given. Im 41seen and done an awful lot but im figjting this bullshit for my kids and future grand kids. Wake up and smell the coffee.

As for things to revisit in a few years. Here is one for ya

If a person reguses the vaccine how long before this petson is marginalised? Cant travel to another country. Soon employets will be asking for your covid ID before they give you a job  FFS even tony blair was pushingbfor this avwhile ago and again it resurfaces under the covid banner. Its all out there for everybody to see forvfuck sake queztion it people its your life they ate slowly eroding

[classycarra]

not posted in here in the fear of ridicule, however i see and hear people laughing at others as tinpot conspiracy crackpots. It is easier to keep on being fooled than realising that you have\are actually being fooled.

I know it all seems bizarre but the 1% are exertingbtheir mind control and every body needs to wake up and quick.  New world order. Problem reaction solution.
The arrogance of the sheeple really offends me the fact they mock others for being free thinkers is a sorry state of affairs

If you think respecting one another, and conversing with people when you#re out and about are important things, and people shouldn't be arrogant, it seems like you're wanting people to do as you say not as you do.

Suggesting people who desire a bit more evidence than you do to believe in some grand worldwide organised conspiracy are "sheeple" and need to "wake up" - well it's a bit arrogant to act like you know best.

[Floydy]

I don't know about a couple of years from now, next year should be enough.
 Assuming the government don't enforce stricter lockdown rules and enforce them more vigorously then then the covid numbers are certain to go up, the government maybe starting to panic now as winter is coming, the NHS will be overwhelmed, so what happens then? I suppose we have to have a national lockdown again. I know the country can't afford to do this and the majority of people don't want it but any other suggestions?
How the public react to the inevitable stricter lockdowns will tell us how next year will pan out, if the majority return to the mindset they had a few months back and follow the basic Covid regulations then things could become more stable to help us get to a time when a vaccine sorts this out.

Had to smile at some of the photos of the angry Covid protesters, where have they been the last 5yrs. this government have been attacking our rights and our democracy for yrs, starting from May being in contempt of Parliament, how the Supreme courts upholding your rights are enemies of the people. how they plan to take away the power of the courts to force the government obey the Law. Johnson proroguing Parliament illegally to silence the MP you voted to represent you in Parliament, taking us out of the European court of Human rights to take away your right to defend yourself from this governments actions. am sure there's more but I never heard a peep from the angry mobs.

doesnt make them not right just because they havent bashed the government does it though mate? More and more peopme are waking up. The fact they are is all that matters it doesnt matter how long it has taken them

[Floydy]

If you think respecting one another, and conversing with people when you#re out and about are important things, and people shouldn't be arrogant, it seems like you're wanting people to do as you say not as you do.

Suggesting people who desire a bit more evidence than you do to believe in some grand worldwide organised conspiracy are "sheeple" and need to "wake up" - well it's a bit arrogant to act like you know best.

perhaps my typing on hete isnt articulating my deep thoughts on this as im pounding away on a shitty phone. Mock me criticise me that is ok. I dont want anybody to do as i say. But fuck me mate how on earth is tbis nornal humans avoiding each other?

Never before have john lennons words been so true. Whatever happened to the lifevthat we once knew can wecreally live without each other what happened to the touch that used to mean so much? Always made feel free as a bird

Like i said im not trying to i fluence anbody this is my truth and i will speak it. No offence to anybody else but some of the things s people are doing right now is more insane than perhaps i sound.

[Floydy]

What ismore twattish. Me believing what ibelieve or watching grown men driving around in their car with a fucking litre of hand sanitiser on the drinks hder on his dashboard FfS. Children being brainwashed i to fear and tbinking wearing a face nappy is normal it fucking isnt.

[Floydy]

If you think respecting one another, and conversing with people when you#re out and about are important things, and people shouldn't be arrogant, it seems like you're wanting people to do as you say not as you do.

Suggesting people who desire a bit more evidence than you do to believe in some grand worldwide organised conspiracy are "sheeple" and need to "wake up" - well it's a bit arrogant to act like you know best.

so you going to change who yoy are both cause of all this? I converse with people for a living its my job we have been doing it for thousands of years are you reaaly suhgesting im arrohant because i wabt to converse with people what on earth would happen if we all stopped?

[djahern]

This. Igo the chippy and people dont talk. I go the shop have to que outside people avoid you like the plague. Mask wearing sheeple scared stiff and unapproachable is this the new way of life? . Lockdowns and curfews and no normal until we have all had the magic vaccine.
 Covid stands for certification of vaccination ID. What numbervwill you be given. Im 41seen and done an awful lot but im figjting this bullshit for my kids and future grand kids. Wake up and smell the coffee.

As for things to revisit in a few years. Here is one for ya

If a person reguses the vaccine how long before this petson is marginalised? Cant travel to another country. Soon employets will be asking for your covid ID before they give you a job  FFS even tony blair was pushingbfor this avwhile ago and again it resurfaces under the covid banner. Its all out there for everybody to see forvfuck sake queztion it people its your life they ate slowly eroding

COVID stands for Certificate of Vaccination Identification by Artificial Intelligence. Us free thinkers must get it correct when we regurgitate it.

[Jiminy Cricket]

Posted this to the COVID (the NO CONSPIRACY SHITE thread). I'll copy it here, since it expresses what I feel about this stuff:

They are, actually, the greater threat to society. They turn perfectly understandable problems into the most impenetrable, convoluted fictions. The pandemic should be quite manageable - they are doing their very best to prevent this. Can you imagine if we had social media in WWII? FFS. Why should I use blackout curtains? Why is fuel and food rationed? Why can't fraternise with the enemy - it's a free country! Why can't I go to Italy for my hols? Etc.

As Oldfordie explained, there have been actual and true erosions to your freedoms over the past few years. Neither the wearing of a mask nor using hand sanitiser are one of them.

[oldfordie]

doesnt make them not right just because they havent bashed the government does it though mate? More and more peopme are waking up. The fact they are is all that matters it doesnt matter how long it has taken them

Don't think they are waking up m8, in fact they never even noticed the things I mentioned. some of them look more likely to have supported policies that will take away these rights.
I just don't think there's any comparison to these temporary covid regulations to fight a pandemic and the permanent removal of some very important rights we've held for decades even centuries , if I listed them for comparison it would look like am taking the p..

[CraigDS]

 

[Macphisto80]

"face nappy" is a new one.

Well, makes sense. Some people do spew shite.

[kesey]

not posted in here in the fear of ridicule, however i see and hear people laughing at others as tinpot conspiracy crackpots. It is easier to keep on being fooled than realising that you have\are actually being fooled.

I know it all seems bizarre but the 1% are exertingbtheir mind control and every body needs to wake up and quick.  New world order. Problem reaction solution.
The arrogance of the sheeple really offends me the fact they mock others for being free thinkers is a sorry state of affairs

Nice one .

Anyone that uses the words sheeple and tin foil etc .. is a tithead though I reckon.

[So… Howard Philips]

Don't think they are waking up m8, in fact they never even noticed the things I mentioned. some of them look more likely to have supported policies that will take away these rights.
I just don't think there's any comparison to these temporary covid regulations to fight a pandemic and the permanent removal of some very important rights we've held for decades even centuries , if I listed them for comparison it would look like am taking the p..

The thing with those protesters Fordy was that they were under the impression that those Government policies were there to keep foreigners and Muslims in their place, not to temporarily limit their right to go to Weatherspoons and chat shite.

[Millie]

so you going to change who yoy are both cause of all this? I converse with people for a living its my job we have been doing it for thousands of years are you reaaly suhgesting im arrohant because i wabt to converse with people what on earth would happen if we all stopped?

Are you pissed?  You sound like you are.

[oldfordie]

The thing with those protesters Fordy was that they were under the impression that those Government policies were there to keep foreigners and Muslims in their place, not to temporarily limit their right to go to Weatherspoons and chat shite.

I can just imagine a angry Braveheart Covid protest supporter.
"You can take away my human rights, you can take away my centuries old year right to be represented in Parliament by a democratically elected MP. but you will NEVER take away my right to have a bevvy in Weatherspoons after 10pm or my right not to wear a mask on public transport or shops.

[Mr Benn please?]

The people protesting yesterday seem very similar to the people protesting about statues not being protected or whatever it was a few months ago. Basically  because Brexit is now 'done' and they can't go and watch Millwall or the England national team or whoever these days, they have to find other excuses to gather together, get pissed and sing Rule Britannia.

[Kenny's Jacket]

If a person reguses the vaccine how long before this petson is marginalised?

Hopfuly strait awuy

[CraigDS]

Hopfuly strait awuy

Yup. And if you have kids and refuse it for them then you should be locked up.

[Kenny's Jacket]

Yup. And if you have kids and refuse it for them then you should be locked up.

and I thought I was hardline. 

[Jiminy Cricket]

and I thought I was hardline.

We do not allow parents' religious beliefs to endanger the health of their children. Why should we allow the other (conspiracy theory) irrational beliefs to endanger children?

[CraigDS]

and I thought I was hardline.

Jiminy summed it up well.

It's endangering the kid's lives. If you did anything else to endanger them like that as a parent you'd have social services onto you, should be no different for vaccines.

[Hedley Lamarr]

Yup. And if you have kids and refuse it for them then you should be locked up.

Ridiculous.   Do you have children ?  I have,  and will vaccinate my children,  they're the most important people in my life, but  I fully understand why some may be reluctant to introduce a new vaccine to their children.

Calling for them to locked up is absurd.

[CraigDS]

Ridiculous.   Do you have children ?  I have,  and will vaccinate my children,  they're the most important people in my life, but  I fully understand why some may be reluctant to introduce a new vaccine to their children.

Calling for them to locked up is absurd.

Hesitant of a new one but deciding the medical community actually know what they are doing to ultimately get them vaccinated I understand.

I'm more on about the hardcore anti-vaxers in general. They are idiotic dangerous people and if they are fit to raise children should be questioned.

[Jiminy Cricket]

Ridiculous.   Do you have children ?  I have,  and will vaccinate my children,  they're the most important people in my life, but  I fully understand why some may be reluctant to introduce a new vaccine to their children.

Calling for them to locked up is absurd.

Do you think a belief that COVID vaccine is a cover by the Illuminati to implant microchips in children is a more reasonable excuse to not vaccinate than, say, the belief that medical treatment is contrary to the Word of God?

[Hedley Lamarr]

Do you think a belief that COVID vaccine is a cover by the Illuminati to implant microchips in children is a more reasonable excuse to not vaccinate than, say, the belief that medical treatment is contrary to the Word of God?

Well both seem absurd to me,  I know some anti- vaccination parents though.  They're really good parents in general, I don't agree with them but they genuinely think they're doing best for their children and I don't think the government should interfere with their choices.  The government should protect those that have chosen otherwise,  I don't think unvaccinated children should be allowed to mingle with others for example,  but prison ?

[FlashGordon]

Well both seem absurd to me,  I know some anti- vaccination parents though.  They're really good parents in general, I don't agree with them but they genuinely think they're doing best for their children and I don't think the government should interfere with their choices.  The government should protect those that have chosen otherwise,  I don't think unvaccinated children should be allowed to mingle with others for example,  but prison ?

And you think that's fair, children not being allowed interact with others due to the stupidity of their parents. Don't see how you can be considered a good parent if your stupidly held beliefs stop your child interacting with the vast majority of other parents.

[Jiminy Cricket]

Well both seem absurd to me,  I know some anti- vaccination parents though.  They're really good parents in general, I don't agree with them but they genuinely think they're doing best for their children and I don't think the government should interfere with their choices.  The government should protect those that have chosen otherwise,  I don't think unvaccinated children should be allowed to mingle with others for example,  but prison ?

Do you think parents who refuse medical treatment for their children on religious grounds should be overruled?

Do you agree that vaccination is a medical treatment?

Are vaccinations highly protective against serious disease and death?

Are the rights of children to access medical treatment and life more important than the religious, superstitious or otherwise irrational beliefs of their parents?

Assuming that you respond in the affirmative to all of the above, what should happen when parents refuse vaccination for their children?

I am not calling for jail sentences or some such. My concern is the welfare of the children. So, which comes first: the welfare of children, or  irrational peculiarities and sensitivities of parents?

I accept that there are problems with enforcement when a fucking shocking number of parents are so fucking irresponsible to consider not vaccinating their children is a valid option. But let's not muddy the waters by making false distinctions: not vaccinating children or refusing them life-saving medical treatment (with vanishing small risks) pretty-much disqualifies someone as a good and responsible parent.

[Kenny's Jacket]

We do not allow parents' religious beliefs to endanger the health of their children. Why should we allow the other (conspiracy theory) irrational beliefs to endanger children?

Yeah I agree

[mikeb58]

A Different Rule

I sit before and listen to what's on TV.
Boris is spouting rubbish again I see.
He tells us to forget what he said before.
Boris has changed his mind once more!
But frankly by now I couldn't care less.
I don't see facts, just guess after guess.
Once Cummings told us his pack of lies.
And backed by Boris, surprise, surprise!
I decided I'd no longer be taken for a fool.
As different classes mean a different rule.
That's true and something you can't deny.
Not when we're told blatant lie after lie.
The latest confusing slogan, the 'rule of 6'
Though toffs with a shotgun can freely mix.
So I won't be governed by what they say.
It's my life, and I will live it safely my way.

[Andy @ Allerton!]

not posted in here in the fear of ridicule, however i see and hear people laughing at others as tinpot conspiracy crackpots. It is easier to keep on being fooled than realising that you have\are actually being fooled.

I know it all seems bizarre but the 1% are exertingbtheir mind control and every body needs to wake up and quick.  New world order. Problem reaction solution.
The arrogance of the sheeple really offends me the fact they mock others for being free thinkers is a sorry state of affairs

Exactly right. We know what's going on.

We just need to find out if it the greys from Reticula, The lizards from Venus or the Martians from underneath the Earth (Flat side up)

Which do you think it's most likely to be?

[Jiminy Cricket]

Exactly right. We know what's going on.

We just need to find out if it the greys from Reticula, The lizards from Venus or the Martians from underneath the Earth (Flat side up)

Which do you think it's most likely to be?

The best bit for me was Floydy's use of David Icke's, "problem reaction solution" conspiracy theory.

More on Icke: https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/David_Icke

[CraigDS]

The best bit for me was Floydy's use of David Icke's, "problem reaction solution" conspiracy theory.

More on Icke: https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/David_Icke

Was Kesey who used it first tbf.

[Jiminy Cricket]

Was Kesey who used it first tbf.

OK. But context suggests that Floydy was using the phrase in the full Icke sense and not at all ironically. If I have misunderstood, then of course I retract and apologise. If - that is.

[CraigDS]

OK. But context suggests that Floydy was using the phrase in the full Icke sense and not at all ironically. If I have misunderstood, then of course I retract and apologise. If - that is.

This is his first use of it (recently, anyway). He goes on to explain it further down the thread.

It's called Problem - Reaction - Solution.

[Jiminy Cricket]

This is his first use of it (recently, anyway). He goes on to explain it further down the thread.

But that's not what it means - not as espoused by Icke who (apparently) coined the phrase and associated conspiracy theory. And given Floydy's other comments, I think that's way he meant it (rather than the interpretation provided by Kesey). I guess we will have to wait for Floydy to comment.

https://anythingbox.wordpress.com/2009/03/24/problem-reaction-solution/

Icke's 'explanation': https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wWXTW4RoZHk

[TSC]

Long(ish) article about Qanon in todays Observer;

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/sep/20/the-qanon-conspiracy

[Kenny's Jacket]

But that's not what it means - not as espoused by Icke who (apparently) coined the phrase and associated conspiracy theory. And given Floydy's other comments, I think that's way he meant it (rather than the interpretation provided by Kesey). I guess we will have to wait for Floydy to comment.

https://anythingbox.wordpress.com/2009/03/24/problem-reaction-solution/

Icke's 'explanation': https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wWXTW4RoZHk

Ive chatted with Kesey on here about Music and stuff and hes a nice lad, but I get the impression you are treating the two posters differently due to favouritism.  Long time poster v newbie

[Jiminy Cricket]

Ive chatted with Kesey on here about Music and stuff and hes a nice lad, but I get the impression you are treating the two posters differently due to favouritism.  Long time poster v newbie

Huh? I have no idea how long either of them (Kesey and who?) have been here, their post count or anything else. I have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. I am simply addressing use of the phrase, 'problem, reaction, solution', since it was coined and is utilised by David Icke.

I have absolutely no reason to dispute your impression of Kesey's character. Nor have I commented on him as a person.