Topic: Curtis Jones

[number 168]

A lot of the opinion on Curtis is quite similar to early opinions on Coutinho here. Loads of talent, terribly inconsistent at times but young and plenty of potential.
Curtis has fewer highlight moments maybe, but thats because of his role and position. For me, I think the new contract is deserved. The lad's 21 and has shown he is improving. Still plenty to work on, but surely worth keeping a young talent in the squad when we expect to lose half the current group of midfielders by summer. We dont want to be adding 3-4 players in the same position in one window because it takes time to adapt to the individual and for the team.
I still feel Curtis will be a good player and useful for us and this deal makes all the sense to me.

I don't think that's a valid comparison. Coutinho was seen as an outstanding talent in Brazil and moved to Inter aged 18 and was labelled 'the future'. He started well but things didn't pan out and he eventually moved to us at around Curtis' age. Curtis has only ever been seen as either 'promising' or in others' eyes 'over rated'. Coutinho developed into one the game's best players and, as we know, ended up at Barca for £142m. I don't think Curtis will ever be in that category.

[Spezialo]

Don't think he will be here by 2027.

[WhereAngelsPlay]

Phil was never in a million years worth that though was he,we pulled their pants down and got around £80m more than we should've.

[stockdam]

This is a tough one for me. He can be excellent but is still too inconsistent. He’s not really a first choice and that doesn’t help his development. He’s the type of player who I think we should move on for his own sake and get a decent price for him.

Hope I am wrong but I think he has peaked.

[sattapaartridge]

Agree with the inconsistency StockDam, i think its partly Klopps fault though, cos he plays him in different positions. sometimes RCM, sometimes LCM. I feel he's more effective playing high up on the LCM position. I think, and hope he will come good. I really like his physical profile.

[PIPA23]

He has been around the team for so long now...he seems older player.

He is still only 21 and has all the time he needs to succeed here and definitely has the skills and potential to do so.

[Historical Fool]

Phil was never in a million years worth that though was he,we pulled their pants down and got around £80m more than we should've.

He has a 4 year contract, he is playing well, we hold all the cards. If someone wants to buy him and we want to sell, 150 million minimum price for shit stains like Barca,Real and PSG.

depends on his world cup.. but i think 120 is not enough for a proven international player in his peak. Compare his performances with other wingers or attacking mids in world football and i don´t think there are many better than him. He is a natural player... talented + professional on and off the pitch. He should not be much cheaper than what Neymar´s worth is. Players like Coutinho are rare. He made it in PL as one of very few Brazilians with his pure talent and determination... imagine what he could do in Spain or other country´s considered softer in football approach... we should not sell.

edit: also you have to look more on the fact what would 120 mil. for Coutinho next summer be getting us. With prices for players going crazy, would 120 mil. be enough to buy players like him to replace that would go straight to starting 11? would such players come knowing we sold a player who they would like to play with, i mean the best players... in reality we would spend it on young unproven players, from which one would become great and we will sell again after him being great for us for 3-4 seasons... that´s not the way forward.

No chance he goes this window. We aren't splashing £75m on a defender to bolster our chances of CL qualification to then sell one of our best players. It's not like he'd lose value between now and the summer.

Plus really doubt Barca will pony up what we'd demand for him which must be north of £140m easily.

if nike are happy to chip in we can ask for £250m.

not arsed if he's going; would love him to stay. 

they're all just livestock and we're definitely good at reinvesting these days.

It is for Barca. Not for us.

We need to demand £175 million paid up front.

I'd want £140-150m for him and heavily weighted with upfront payments, especially after the stunts these have pulled. They are still doing their best to destabilise us to get him on the cheap.

That way, with a reasonable net spend and a few other departures we could quite feasibly have towards £300m to spend in the summer on replacements and improving the team.

[WhereAngelsPlay]

All that time searching and yet you said fuck all.

I also said that we should rinse them.

My point still stands.

[CanuckYNWA]

Is he injured yet again? Haven't seen him in any photos or videos of this camp yet and he was listed as one of the 33

[JasonF]

Is he injured yet again? Haven't seen him in any photos or videos of this camp yet and he was listed as one of the 33

He was pictured alongside Matip and Thiago  in one of the pics posted yesterday, albeit it trainers not football boots. He might be doing some lighter training like some of the other players returning from injury.

[CanuckYNWA]

He was pictured alongside Matip and Thiago  in one of the pics posted yesterday, albeit it trainers not football boots. He might be doing some lighter training like some of the other players returning from injury.

Thanks, that's good to see. But yea definitely seems to be on a recovery program as I haven't seen him in any of the full training session videos

[Davidbowie]

He should be in Qatar, running the England midfield alongside Bellingham.









OK, not really.

[AmanShah21]

I don't think that's a valid comparison. Coutinho was seen as an outstanding talent in Brazil and moved to Inter aged 18 and was labelled 'the future'. He started well but things didn't pan out and he eventually moved to us at around Curtis' age. Curtis has only ever been seen as either 'promising' or in others' eyes 'over rated'. Coutinho developed into one the game's best players and, as we know, ended up at Barca for £142m. I don't think Curtis will ever be in that category.

I dont disagree. Coutinho definitely far more talented. My point is the opinion/criticism levelled against them is very very similar. Its easy to see the quality is there, perhaps at different levels of development and ceiling, but the jarring inconsistency is what makes it so difficult to rely on him at his age and given how much he has been around the first team and had so many chances, you expect to see them slowly go away. Even with coutinho, it lasted throughout except the pre Barca season where he played out of his skin, maybe to get the move. He has gone back to that inconsistency again since.

Curtis needs to get away from that as soon as possible because he will officially count as a senior or over-21 pro next season onwards and the leeway given to young players will slowly disappear. I believe he has the skillset to be a top player, just not sure if his application yet matches that on a consistent basis. At this level, you'd take a boring consistent 7/10 week in week out player over a player who can drop anything between a 2/10 to a 10/10.

[Harris96]

Does he still exist? Honestly haven’t heard anything about him for what feels like months now

[JasonF]

Does he still exist? Honestly haven’t heard anything about him for what feels like months now

He was pictured training in Dubai less than 2 weeks ago.

[farawayred]

He was pictured training in Dubai less than 2 weeks ago.

Photoshopped maybe?

[Knight]

He was pictured training in Dubai less than 2 weeks ago.

With trainers on. He's been injured more than he's ben fit for a while now.

[JasonF]

With trainers on. He's been injured more than he's ben fit for a while now.

That may be true but it's only speculation. Since the last game he played he's signed a new deal and been pictured training (in trainers) in Dubai two weeks ago. Nothing else official.

Obviously we can read into the fact he's not been in any match day squads of late but we don't really know anything.

[Boston always unofficial]

Does he still exist? Honestly haven’t heard anything about him for what feels like months now

He was in the club hospital christmas video,maybe he got left behind?

[SamLad]

I think his disappearance started around the same time as our new doctor came on board ... maybe he's stepped in and told Jones to get more treatment before trying to come back?

[Ghost Town]

I think his disappearance started around the same time as our new doctor came on board ... maybe he's stepped in and told Jones to get more treatment before trying to come back?

Maybe he IS the new doctor? A busy job, no time to play...

[farawayred]

Maybe he IS the new doctor? A busy job, no time to play...

I think Keita and Ox may have been more qualified for the job

[SamLad]

Maybe he IS the new doctor? A busy job, no time to play...

by God man, I think you're on to something there !!

[Boston always unofficial]

Maybe he IS the new doctor? A busy job, no time to play...

 


Explains where all our injured players are.

[Knight]

That may be true but it's only speculation. Since the last game he played he's signed a new deal and been pictured training (in trainers) in Dubai two weeks ago. Nothing else official.

Obviously we can read into the fact he's not been in any match day squads of late but we don't really know anything.

Surmising that Jones is either currently injured or is rehabbing from an injury (which basically amounts to the same thing) is about as straightforward detective work as you’ll ever find. Even the lack of news is suggestive. This is much less speculation and much more reasonable inference from the facts.

[Too early for flapjacks?]

Back in full training so hopefully see him in the FA Cup game against Wolves.

[Coolie High]

It seems like he’s ‘Back in training’ every other week, nowadays.

[macmanamanaman]

Maybe he IS the new doctor? A busy job, no time to play...

Dr Jones, Dr Jones..
Calling Dr Jones..Our midfield needs you!

https://youtu.be/-1jPUB7gRyg

[JasonF]

Surmising that Jones is either currently injured or is rehabbing from an injury (which basically amounts to the same thing) is about as straightforward detective work as you’ll ever find. Even the lack of news is suggestive. This is much less speculation and much more reasonable inference from the facts.

It's not an unreasonable conclusion to jump to given the recent history but it was still speculation. Anyway he's back in full training so hopefully whatever it was, was minor and is behind him now. The more midfield options right now the better.

[AmanShah21]

This is really set up for him to get the big chance to make an impact if he's fit. The midfield is struggling so as long as he does a decent job he'll get the run of games he wants/needs. I dont know if he's fit yet but this is the sort of situation where youngsters earn their spot and make the big jump from youth talent to first team starter.
Hopefully he is fit this year and takes it. We know he has the skill to do it.

[smurfinaus]

The boy has stagnated so much. It always felt like Klopp kept his attacking instincts on a leash but it feels like he has stagnated and not developed :/. What does he need to do?. Does Klopp need to put him into a role instead of floating him into CM then LF/LW at times?. What is he really best at?. (needs to cut out dwelling on the ball ....pretty obvious).

[Passmaster Molby]

If anyone ever needed a loan it’s Curtis. He needs games, and probably needs to get away from Liverpool for a year to see what it’s like at another club and maybe make him realise what he could lose if he doesn’t start contributing more. Going somewhere like a top end Championship side would help him get some games, confidence and toughen him up a bit more.

[SamLad]

If anyone ever needed a loan it’s Curtis. He needs games, and probably needs to get away from Liverpool for a year to see what it’s like at another club and maybe make him realise what he could lose if he doesn’t start contributing more. Going somewhere like a top end Championship side would help him get some games, confidence and toughen him up a bit more.

so -- boot camp replaces boot room.

[Fromola]

If anyone ever needed a loan it’s Curtis. He needs games, and probably needs to get away from Liverpool for a year to see what it’s like at another club and maybe make him realise what he could lose if he doesn’t start contributing more. Going somewhere like a top end Championship side would help him get some games, confidence and toughen him up a bit more.

Why does he need a loan though? If he was fit this season he'd have been a regular in the team given the injuries/state of the midfield/Diaz's injury. If he's injured it doesn't matter if he's on loan or not.

He played 27 games last season in a quadruple chasing side despite a 2 month injury and another niggles.

[Suareznumber7]

If anyone ever needed a loan it’s Curtis. He needs games, and probably needs to get away from Liverpool for a year to see what it’s like at another club and maybe make him realise what he could lose if he doesn’t start contributing more. Going somewhere like a top end Championship side would help him get some games, confidence and toughen him up a bit more.

So, it's his fault he's been injured and going away on loan and "realizing what he could lose if he doesn't start contributing more" is going to stop him from getting injured?   

[Ghost Town]

So, it's his fault he's been injured and going away on loan and "realizing what he could lose if he doesn't start contributing more" is going to stop him from getting injured?   

Heh heh. Indeed, such bollocks is posted on this forum these days.

[Schmidt]

He looked really good during his brief stint of being fit recently, and he seemed to come straight into the team which shows he's pretty highly rated still. He just seems to have one of those injury issues that needs to be managed, similar to Henderson and his tendinitis a few years back.

[lgvkarlos]

Still time for him to be the player we thought he would be, he definitely brings a different dimension when he's on it.

We seem to get lots of injuries many long term or recuring, often with players who haven't got a track record of being injury prone before they join.
 No doubt more than one thing to blame it can't all be down to luck, it's not like we are running the hard yards anymore (near the bottom in that category now)

[Passmaster Molby]

So, it's his fault he's been injured and going away on loan and "realizing what he could lose if he doesn't start contributing more" is going to stop him from getting injured?   

It’s a mentality thing as he seems a bit like Sturridge was in that any knock seems to rule him out. He needs toughening up and more match practice at his age.

[Funky_Gibbons]

So an eye injury and a stress reaction in his tibia were all in his mind…..