Topic: Winning Title #19*

[Red_Mist]

Please explain your mirth Del Boy (said in the voice of Boycie!)

[Red Beret]

I'm looking forward in hopeful anticipation at us having the best 38 game start ever.

[Scouser-Tommy]

I read yesterday a website that suggested that based on their system of calculations, the current Liverpool team is already the best Liverpool side of all timer and the fourth best club side of all time.  The scary thing was that if this team continues and finishes the season with the same run of results, we could possibly overtake probably all the 3 teams in front of us.

Who were the other 3 teams out of interest?

[Captain Mauser]

Who where the other 3 teams out of interest?

If the Liverpool side captained by Souness isn't in there, they're doing it wrong.

[Captain Mauser]

Barca under Pep?
Milan under Capello?

[PaulF]

I think people say the league is weak as there are no real challengers. We've been saying for months it's city we have to be wary of because Leicester won't last the distance. The usual contenders are shite. Arsenal , spurs ,Chelsea , united. Simply not able to put up a fight. Below is the league is competitive. Thing is though. It doesn't matter if one or two of them were good and were on league winning form (in terms of results) , we are still better than them. If united (hahaha) had won all of their league games except the one against us , they'd still only be level on points.

[Mighty Zeus]

I remember during the Brendan 'We are Liverpool tra la la la la' league run, our lead at the top was minuscule and we were all WE'RE GOING TO FUCKING DO THIS and STOP BEING A BEDWETTER and WHERE'S YOUR BELIEF YOU SACK OF UNWASHED WOOL.

I was all in for it.

But now we have a lead of like 73 points or something (haven't checked) and the consensus is "Careful everyone, it's not over until it's mathematically impossible."

Which is true, and I wonder what's changed psychologically.

[tubby]

I remember during the Brendan 'We are Liverpool tra la la la la' league run, our lead at the top was minuscule and we were all WE'RE GOING TO FUCKING DO THIS and STOP BEING A BEDWETTER and WHERE'S YOUR BELIEF YOU SACK OF UNWASHED WOOL.

I was all in for it.

But now we have a lead of like 73 points or something (haven't checked) and the consensus is "Careful everyone, it's not over until it's mathematically impossible."

Which is true, and I wonder what's changed psychologically.

Probably the run under Rodgers you've mentioned.  A lot of us were sure it was going to happen but never did and that was really tough to take, so people are being more cautious now, even though were in a way better position.

[Mighty Zeus]

Probably the run under Rodgers you've mentioned.  A lot of us were sure it was going to happen but never did and that was really tough to take, so people are being more cautious now, even though were in a way better position.

Yeah. Simple as that, I suppose

There was something crazily intoxicating about that run though. I was like "If we just... believe hard enough, we can get over the line..." But this time's it's really business: "Our lead is fucking huge but x, y and x has to happen if we are to win, there's nothing we can do to change this outcome so let's set tight and celebrate in x games time."

[keyop]

But now we have a lead of like 73 points or something (haven't checked) and the consensus is "Careful everyone, it's not over until it's mathematically impossible."

Which is true, and I wonder what's changed psychologically.

I think it's partly the heartbreak of 2008/09 and 2013/14, and partly the 30-year wait for another title. It's so close, yet still so far away.

However, a lot of it is down to City - in 2013/14 they were W27 D5 L6, finishing on 86 points. In 2017/18 and 2018/19 their results were W32 D4 L2 (100 points), then W32, D2, L4 (98 points), including ridiculous winning runs that seemed impossible to match. Add in the Guardiola factor (despite his recent implosions), and that's where some of the caution and restraint will come from - however unlikely it seems that they can replicate that form again.

[redk84]

The league is weak
City are shit this season tho
LiVARpool (i mean cmon did anybody NOT see this coming in the summer if we were doing well this season??)
lucky liverpool
penaltypool not given much of a shout this time around :/ (there's still time!)
we've had no injuries (even though we have)
etc.

Throw enough shit something will stick.

All of the above is absolute facts.....all of it. oh well. guess we should not celebrate being record breakers at the top of the league

nahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
its just great!

I'm looking forward to when the amount of wins we need goes into single digits next 

[Son of Spion]

Which is true, and I wonder what's changed psychologically.

Like the entire club itself, the fanbase, generally, is far more focused and professional now.

We get giddy once things are done, rather than act like a 15 year old having his first fumble and popping his cork far too early.

Rather than going around telling people we are going to do this or that, we get things done now, revel in it and enjoy it as it happens, then talk about it later. I love it. It's the Liverpool way.

[Mighty Zeus]

I
However, a lot of it is down to City - in 2013/14 they were W27 D5 L6, finishing on 86 points. In 2017/18 and 2018/19 their results were W32 D4 L2 (100 points), then W32, D2, L4 (98 points), including ridiculous winning runs that seemed impossible to match. Add in the Guardiola factor (despite his recent implosions), and that's where some of the caution and restraint will come from - however unlikely it seems that they can replicate that form again.

OK, yes. That's true too. The team in second place is capable of anything. Fortunately we're completely ridiculous right now, ha ha!

[redk84]

Like the entire club itself, the fanbase, generally, is far more focused and professional now.

We get giddy once things are done, rather than act like a 15 year old having his first fumble and popping his cork far too early.

Rather than going around telling people we are going to do this or that, we get things done now, revel in it and enjoy it as it happens, then talk about it later. I love it. It's the Liverpool way.

ah..
sorry i was being a bit giddy in my post above but im not celebrating the league yet just celebrating being so far ahead of everyone else while a few nutters can't handle it 

[JCB]

However, a lot of it is down to City - in 2013/14 they were W27 D5 L6, finishing on 86 points. In 2017/18 and 2018/19 their results were W32 D4 L2 (100 points), then W32, D2, L4 (98 points), including ridiculous winning runs that seemed impossible to match. Add in the Guardiola factor (despite his recent implosions), and that's where some of the caution and restraint will come from - however unlikely it seems that they can replicate that form again.

Was going to post something along these lines. City (more specifically Pep) has raised the standards so much in the last few years that we have all come to realise that to win the bloody thing we would need an almost perfect run-in. That leaves little room for error if any.

The fact that City has fallen off a cliff in respect of those said standards still hasn't sank in with most of us - team included. We're still operating under those principles and it's a good thing too.

[emitime]

I remember during the Brendan 'We are Liverpool tra la la la la' league run, our lead at the top was minuscule and we were all WE'RE GOING TO FUCKING DO THIS and STOP BEING A BEDWETTER and WHERE'S YOUR BELIEF YOU SACK OF UNWASHED WOOL.

I was all in for it.

But now we have a lead of like 73 points or something (haven't checked) and the consensus is "Careful everyone, it's not over until it's mathematically impossible."

Which is true, and I wonder what's changed psychologically.

I think in a way that was what was necessary. That team was bonkers, and almost required a bonkers crowd going a bit over the top as well.

Now there's mainly trust that the team are going to do a job, and that job is win the next game.

[BassTunedToRed]

Who were the other 3 teams out of interest?

1. Barcelona 2012
2. Bayern 2014
3. Real Madrid 2014

http://clubelo.com/Stats

It's an attempt to objectively assess every team in history, so it'll never be perfect. You can see how Liverpool's score has changed over the years here:

http://clubelo.com/2020-02-19/Liverpool

[LallanaInPyjamas]

1. Barcelona 2012
2. Bayern 2014
3. Real Madrid 2014

http://clubelo.com/Stats

It's an attempt to objectively assess every team in history, so it'll never be perfect. You can see how Liverpool's score has changed over the years here:

http://clubelo.com/2020-02-19/Liverpool

You can say that again. Scolari's Chelsea are in the top ten...

[BassTunedToRed]

You can say that again. Scolari's Chelsea are in the top ten...

Takes a few years to get up there though. Mourinho built them up, Scolari gets the credit here as the manager at that point.

[LallanaInPyjamas]

Takes a few years to get up there though. Mourinho built them up, Scolari gets the credit here as the manager at that point.

I see. I notice their peak date is 23rd October 2008 - wasn't that around the time we ended their ridiculous home unbeaten record?

Our peak date, meanwhile, is next month. Let's hope it's not for the same reason. 

[Charlie Adams fried egg]

Like the entire club itself, the fanbase, generally, is far more focused and professional now.

We get giddy once things are done, rather than act like a 15 year old having his first fumble and popping his cork far too early.

Rather than going around telling people we are going to do this or that, we get things done now, revel in it and enjoy it as it happens, then talk about it later. I love it. It's the Liverpool way.

mmmmm, I wonder if you can think of any fans that do that......

[Dave D]

The AFCON being held in January and February next year is massive news.

It’s certainly going to have an impact on Chasing the Title next season. So much for it being held during the summer from now on.

[LallanaInPyjamas]

The AFCON being held in January and February next year is massive news.

It’s certainly going to have an impact on Chasing the Title next season. So much for it being held during the summer from now on.

Isn't it about time they had it every four years rather than every two?

[JC the Messiah]

The AFCON being held in January and February next year is massive news.

It’s certainly going to have an impact on Chasing the Title next season. So much for it being held during the summer from now on.

That's certainly one way of making it harder for us to win the league.  Maybe CAF didn't get the memo from FIFA, UEFA and the FA on that one?

[Red_Mist]

Probably the run under Rodgers you've mentioned.  A lot of us were sure it was going to happen but never did and that was really tough to take, so people are being more cautious now, even though were in a way better position.

I worked in Manchester at the time, and there was me and a lad from Wallasey in a whole factory of city and united, like two elves surrounded by orcs. Sort of managed to just about keep a lid on our excitement at work (lots of Monday morning ‘gerrintheres’)  But after the city game I was convinced it was ours. The power of Anfield that day, and in all the games leading up to Coutinho’s goal was unstoppable, I thought. The banter with the blue and red orcs was relentless (and mostly a laugh tbf). Then, after the Chelsea game, we spent a full day with people slipping on sawdust, tripping over boxes, and generally flinging themselves around the place. A big ‘slip hazard’ sign taped around my workstation. Yes the situations are very different. But it’s one very enjoyable game at a time for me this time round. Not counting any chickens yet, but loving every minute.

Am I planning on paying them a visit in April or May? Too fuckin right I am.

[the_red_pill]

1. Barcelona 2012
2. Bayern 2014
3. Real Madrid 2014

http://clubelo.com/Stats

It's an attempt to objectively assess every team in history, so it'll never be perfect. You can see how Liverpool's score has changed over the years here:

http://clubelo.com/2020-02-19/Liverpool

We've humiliated and dethroned two of those great teams last season. Too bad we couldn't demolish Real.
We'll do it this season though- to most of those individuals from that team. I want to see Ramos cry at least and Zidane sacked after we blow shit up again. Bale sold immediately after delivering a stinker.

[Crosby Nick]

That's certainly one way of making it harder for us to win the league.  Maybe CAF didn't get the memo from FIFA, UEFA and the FA on that one?

Think on, man! They can’t have us going 31 years without a title remember. Once we win it once they’ll stitch us up for the next 30 years again. They want a different winner every season remember.

[DangerScouse]

I remember during the Brendan 'We are Liverpool tra la la la la' league run, our lead at the top was minuscule and we were all WE'RE GOING TO FUCKING DO THIS and STOP BEING A BEDWETTER and WHERE'S YOUR BELIEF YOU SACK OF UNWASHED WOOL.

I was all in for it.

But now we have a lead of like 73 points or something (haven't checked) and the consensus is "Careful everyone, it's not over until it's mathematically impossible."

Which is true, and I wonder what's changed psychologically.

I'll never forget Yossi's winner at Craven Cottage. Most of our support still in the ground 30 minutes after the final whistle singing "we're going to win the league". It was fucking brilliant only for the manc c*nts to spawn a win the next day when it looked like they were in serious trouble. I think the 2008-2009 season coupled with the heartbreak of 2013-2014 has some people understandably a bit reluctant to get carried away until it's a certainty.

[the_red_pill]

I'll never forget Yossi's winner at Craven Cottage. Most of our support still in the ground 30 minutes after the final whistle singing "we're going to win the league". It was fucking brilliant only for the manc c*nts to spawn a win the next day when it looked like they were in serious trouble. I think the 2008-2009 season coupled with the heartbreak of 2013-2014 has some people understandably a bit reluctant to get carried away until it's a certainty.

That Macheda fucker I think.
Game-raising twats the lot of 'em. He's done fuckall since that last minute goal.

Middlesborough though... broke my heart. When we drew there, I knew it was over.

[Crosby Nick]

That Macheda fucker I think.
Game-raising twats the lot of 'em. He's done fuckall since that last minute goal.

Middlesborough though... broke my heart. When we drew there, I knew it was over.

Boro? We lost there in 08/09.

[Ocean Red]

The AFCON being held in January and February next year is massive news.

It’s certainly going to have an impact on Chasing the Title next season. So much for it being held during the summer from now on.

For fuck sake. This was meant to be played in The summer from now on. Now we lose Keita, Mane, Salah for about 7 games next season. Pissed off about this news.

[Supersuarez7]

For fuck sake. This was meant to be played in The summer from now on. Now we lose Keita, Mane, Salah for about 7 games next season. Pissed off about this news.

TBF I think we could manage without Keita, we have the likes of Ox, Gini, Shaq, Fab, Minamino and some of the young blood who we can slot into that role in midfield as witnessed by his unlucky run of injuries. I think Mane and Salah at the same time would be the greatest loss, we have Origi, do we have anyone else we could pair with Origi and Firminho for a run of games if both are out?

[Mighty_Red]

Really is the wrong thread for talking about the AFCON being moved yet again. It's a shit decision but this should be all about this season. Why worry about that? Just enjoy what we have to behold for the next 4 months.

And anyway, Origi, Minamino and Elliott have got this

[aggerdid]

These midweeks with no games seem odd after the november/december playing here there and everywhere. Hoping we prove our dominance vs united this time and treat them like a mid table team as opposed to man united. Would be good if we have a multiple goal lead to get fabinho and minamino some minutes

[Alan_X]

Really is the wrong thread for talking about the AFCON being moved yet again. It's a shit decision but this should be all about this season. Why worry about that? Just enjoy what we have to behold for the next 4 months.

And anyway, Origi, Minamino and Elliott have got this

Is right. Start a new thread if you need to moan about the AFCON.

[an tha]

I'll never forget Yossi's winner at Craven Cottage. Most of our support still in the ground 30 minutes after the final whistle singing "we're going to win the league". It was fucking brilliant only for the manc c*nts to spawn a win the next day when it looked like they were in serious trouble. I think the 2008-2009 season coupled with the heartbreak of 2013-2014 has some people understandably a bit reluctant to get carried away until it's a certainty.

Yeah and Man City not being 'normal' competition for the title

Last season waiting half a fucking season for them to drop a solitary point and it not happening.

I think there is still a fear they could win 18 on the spin again.

100 and 98 pt seasons has set the bar at previously unseen levels - 97 not being enough last season.

We have though responded magnificently and actually at the moment are ahead of even those mad levels - but i think with 2013/14 and the feel Man City could go on a mental run again caution is in the air even given how good we are and City probably not looking as good as they were.

For me though i am happy the lid is staying on it, will just make the explosion all the better if and when it does happen and we win it.

[Vinay]

32 wins normally guarantees the title.
That means we need to win 12 more games.

Still need to focus on one game at a time. Focus on the Next game then.

[spider-neil]

That Macheda fucker I think.
Game-raising twats the lot of 'em. He's done fuckall since that last minute goal.

Middlesborough though... broke my heart. When we drew there, I knew it was over.

I think they beat us. We only lost two games that season and M'bro was one of those games. The c*nts.

[LallanaInPyjamas]

I think they beat us. We only lost two games that season and M'bro was one of those games. The c*nts.

And the other was Spurs when they were bottom of the league. One of the spawniest wins I've ever seen.

[an tha]

I think they beat us. We only lost two games that season and M'bro was one of those games. The c*nts.

Them and Spurs

We did the double of Man Utd and Chelsea as well that season who were the biggest competition for title.

Imagine if at start of season someone had said 'we'll only lose two games and we'll do the double over the other two teams who finish in top 3'

You'd think fucking hell title is ours!