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General West Ham thread
« on: May 15, 2011, 01:11:26 pm »
Looks like they will go down this year.

What went wrong?

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Re: West Ham.
« Reply #1 on: May 15, 2011, 01:12:01 pm »
Didn't win enough games  ;)
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Re: West Ham.
« Reply #2 on: May 15, 2011, 01:12:11 pm »
Avram? Not trying until after Christmas? Jonathan Spector?
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Re: West Ham.
« Reply #3 on: May 15, 2011, 01:14:29 pm »
Good players who can't be arsed.
Too many inconsistent players
A manager who's known for months that he has no future there
Owners who suck the joy out of everything they touch
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Re: West Ham.
« Reply #4 on: May 15, 2011, 01:15:28 pm »
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Re: West Ham.
« Reply #5 on: May 15, 2011, 01:16:32 pm »
appointing that fraud as their manager.

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Re: West Ham.
« Reply #6 on: May 15, 2011, 01:17:49 pm »
We're shit.

Think it's a bigger issue than that though mate. You battered us at your place.

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Re: West Ham.
« Reply #7 on: May 15, 2011, 01:19:58 pm »
Good riddance. These game raising c*nts are one team i won't miss next year  ;)

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Re: West Ham.
« Reply #8 on: May 15, 2011, 01:21:48 pm »
Poor manager, Poor owners, too many players who cant be arsed.

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Re: West Ham.
« Reply #9 on: May 15, 2011, 01:24:49 pm »
I solely blame the owners and the manager - I am not blaming the players.

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Re: West Ham.
« Reply #10 on: May 15, 2011, 01:25:06 pm »
Hope they stay up, however unlikely it looks at the moment.
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Re: West Ham.
« Reply #11 on: May 15, 2011, 01:29:33 pm »
The players have a ready made excuse in Grant. The media have already painted him as a know nothing joke of a manager and so players get off scot free. It will be Grant who cops the blame when in reality is was a combination of the two. Grant didnt manage well enough and the player's didnt try hard enough.

The whole underming of Grant with the O'Neal saga didnt help. The owners can have little complaints.

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Re: West Ham.
« Reply #12 on: May 15, 2011, 01:30:37 pm »
Think it's a bigger issue than that though mate. You battered us at your place.
Well of course it is, but at the end of the day it comes down to the players and manager not being good enough. There is something fundamentally wrong at West Ham. For the last 10 years or so, but particuarly since the 2006 Cup final the club has just jumped from one disaster to another; finacial meldown, the Tevez saga, relegation, constant injuries, 90% of turnover on wages, poor managerial appointments, the list just goes on. Its bred almost a psych of failure and discontent that runs throught the clubs fans, players and backroom staff. The only player I will be sorry to see leave will be Scott Parker! I'd happily hand out their P45's to every other squad member pretty much and show them the door. In a strange way going down may be good for the club, an oppitunity for the cancer to be cleared out of the club. I feel that when we do go down this year we may spend a few seasons in the Championship though.
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Re: West Ham.
« Reply #13 on: May 15, 2011, 01:32:57 pm »
Culmination of things, I do think the one major is a big group of shit players. They're a true one-man team, I don't think any other player in their team aside from Parker is Premier League standard.

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« Reply #14 on: May 15, 2011, 01:38:38 pm »
Well of course it is, but at the end of the day it comes down to the players and manager not being good enough. There is something fundamentally wrong at West Ham. For the last 10 years or so, but particuarly since the 2006 Cup final the club has just jumped from one disaster to another; finacial meldown, the Tevez saga, relegation, constant injuries, 90% of turnover on wages, poor managerial appointments, the list just goes on. Its breed almost a psych of failure and discontent that runs throught the clubs fans, players and backroom staff. The only player I will be sorry to see leave will be Scott Parker! I'd happily hand out their P45's to every other squad member pretty much and show them the door. In a strange way going down may be good for the club, an oppitunity for the cancer to be cleared out of the club. I feel that when we do go down this year we may spend a few seasons in the Championship though.

Get what your saying mate but Robbie Keane & Wayne Bridge - What the fuck?

Seriously why on earth would a manager want these 2 when they're fighting the drop and why would the owners agree to sign them?

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Re: West Ham.
« Reply #15 on: May 15, 2011, 01:40:45 pm »
I've always had a lot of time for West Ham who for me are a traditional family club and there is a certain aura about them.  I hope they come back up soon.
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Re: West Ham.
« Reply #16 on: May 15, 2011, 01:43:51 pm »
The porn peddler and the dildo seller.

Plus that daft cow constantly undermining the manager in an attempt to make him resign - all to save paying him off.

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« Reply #17 on: May 15, 2011, 01:49:39 pm »
Personally I have no real problems with Gold & Sullivan. As personalities they are dicks, but they have the clubs best interests at heart. Id much rather see them in charge that Terry Brown, or the Icelandic lot. They saved the club from certain administration. In hindsight Avram should have gone in December/January, and that was their major error (the O'Neill saga was another fucking shambles!).
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Re: West Ham.
« Reply #18 on: May 15, 2011, 01:59:26 pm »
Now, I may have misinterpreted (sp?) something but have they said that administration is not an option if WHU go down?
They say it will cost £40m+

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Re: West Ham.
« Reply #19 on: May 15, 2011, 02:01:26 pm »
Too many pussies who dont pull their weight

Didnt they have a run not so long ago? just shows how harsh the Premiership can be

How about Roy Keane to take over, he's probably what they need now, a kick up the arse

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« Reply #20 on: May 15, 2011, 02:03:04 pm »
Now, I may have misinterpreted (sp?) something but have they said that administration is not an option if WHU go down?
They say it will cost £40m+

I think they'll offset the cost by having a fire sale.

Already said to be offering players out all over the place. They pay good wages so they might find players are more than happy to play in the Championship next season.

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Re: West Ham.
« Reply #21 on: May 15, 2011, 02:05:43 pm »
Shit players
Shit manager
Shit owners

Feel sorry for the fans.
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Re: West Ham.
« Reply #22 on: May 15, 2011, 02:05:51 pm »
Personally I have no real problems with Gold & Sullivan. As personalities they are dicks, but they have the clubs best interests at heart.

The Olympic Stadium?
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Re: West Ham.
« Reply #23 on: May 15, 2011, 02:09:48 pm »
The Olympic Stadium?
Mixed feelings over the OS. Again in the long term I think it will be good for the club however. G&S had no choice really. The other option was Sp*rs on our doorstep, and thats not an option at all.
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Re: West Ham.
« Reply #24 on: May 15, 2011, 02:10:22 pm »
Personally I have no real problems with Gold & Sullivan. As personalities they are dicks, but they have the clubs best interests at heart. Id much rather see them in charge that Terry Brown, or the Icelandic lot. They saved the club from certain administration. In hindsight Avram should have gone in December/January, and that was their major error (the O'Neill saga was another fucking shambles!).

I mainly blame the owners:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/west-ham/7195659/West-Ham-owners-want-players-to-take-25-pay-cut.html

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1383385/Leos-London-David-Sullivans-stay-away-latest-blunders-West-Ham.html

I could go on - These are poor owners mate.

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Re: West Ham.
« Reply #25 on: May 15, 2011, 02:11:21 pm »
Looks like they will go down this year.

What went wrong?

Not enough points  ;D Shame though..they had had some great players over the years especially the home grown ones.

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Re: West Ham.
« Reply #26 on: May 15, 2011, 02:12:11 pm »
I could go on - These are poor owners mate.
Beleive me Im not a fan. But compare them to what we have had before. There is no contest. We could, and have have done worse.
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« Reply #27 on: May 15, 2011, 02:12:22 pm »
Have to say the owners are crap and mis-management, have to say if West Ham sink into Administration, don't think it will be a surprise. Hope they don't
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« Reply #28 on: May 15, 2011, 02:13:17 pm »
I think they'll offset the cost by having a fire sale.

Already said to be offering players out all over the place. They pay good wages so they might find players are more than happy to play in the Championship next season.

Heard they pay the 7th highest wages - This is way it's a massive shock that they will more than likely finish bottom.

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Re: West Ham.
« Reply #29 on: May 15, 2011, 02:15:29 pm »
The porn peddler and the dildo seller.

Plus that daft cow constantly undermining the manager in an attempt to make him resign - all to save paying him off.



Spot on, the pornographers have really fucked West Ham.
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« Reply #30 on: May 15, 2011, 02:16:51 pm »
Beleive me Im not a fan. But compare them to what we have had before. There is no contest. We could, and have have done worse.

That still be to seen mate - Birmingham fans hated them and feared for their future under them. They were pleased to see them leave and they're not a set of clueless fans.

So you have to ask yourself why this was the case.

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« Reply #31 on: May 15, 2011, 02:18:21 pm »
Heard they pay the 7th highest wages - This is way it's a massive shock that they will more than likely finish bottom.

Gold revealed in that Sugar documentary that wages accounted for 91% of their turnover when they took over which is insane.

But as we well know *Joe Cole* good wages dont make a good player. I dont think its a shock to see them go down, they pay over the odds for average players. A lot of average players.

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« Reply #32 on: May 15, 2011, 02:23:16 pm »
on the face of it, they have a very good spine of players imo:

Green- better than average Premiership keeper
Upson- back up to Terry and Ferdinand in the England setup at one point
Parker- player of the year
Noble- decent in all areas for a footballer
Carlton Cole- target man up front who's played in the Prem for years now

so, on papaer, you have a very good bunch of players who you can build a team around and who shouldnt be anywhere near relegation in my opinion. Are they all pulling in the same direction? are there major problems with the management, the coaching staff and then the owners?

just all seems a shambles if you ask me
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« Reply #33 on: May 15, 2011, 02:25:18 pm »
That still be to seen mate - Birmingham fans hated them and feared for their future under them. They were pleased to see them leave and they're not a set of clueless fans.

So you have to ask yourself why this was the case.
Thats simple, they are both wankers as personalities and were known both to be big West Ham fans. Brum fans I know  have told me their main problem with Gold and Co was simply that they felt they didnt love the club, and they were always considered outsiders who would rather own another club. Financially however they left Birmingham bigger and stonger.
Im not saying that Im massive fan of G&S, and I certainly didnt want them to win the bidding for the club. But the simple fact is the problems effecting West Ham run further back and deeper that Gold and Sullivan. To say they are the cause of sole cause of our impending relegation just isnt correct.
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Re: West Ham.
« Reply #34 on: May 15, 2011, 02:27:24 pm »
my fellow countrymen destroyed west ham.(iceland)

i heard freddy ljungberg was getting somewhere in the region of 90 k a week and than he had been shit for a couple of years.


for a outsider looking at the club i can only see good things coming from them going down just look at newcastle now(i know mike ashley is a c*nt) but they are doing well

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Re: West Ham.
« Reply #35 on: May 15, 2011, 02:28:50 pm »
I wanted them to stay up but they have been an absolute joke for the last few years.  When Gold and Sullivan came in I remember there being talk of West Ham going after Henry, Beckham, Cole etc., and they've followed that up with Keane and Bridge.  Wtf!  If you're in a relegation battle (as they were last year as well) the last thing you need are past-it marquee players.

Then the shambles of appointing Avram Grant who had just finished bottom with Portsmouth.  We talked about managers being a right 'fit' for a club when Mr 36 years experience was with us, I think considering that West Ham are a passionate lot (sometimes superficially I think) an Uncle Fester look-a-like with as much passion and charisma as a comatose turtle was never going to work.  Oh and what a master-stroke it was to turf out Steve Clarke in the process.

Then you've got the whole undermining of the manager by going behind his back and stopping just short of picking up a magaphone and taking to the streets of East London announcing that Martin O'Neill's taking over.  I think they should have got rid of Grant around Christmas time (we've seen ourselves the impact a change in manager can have) but they completely ballsed it up, ended with so much egg on their faces that they tied their own hands together.

I think moving to the Olympic Stadium with a great big running track is only going to end horribly wrong as well.  After what we've been through with owners it's not nice to see other clubs being run so badly (unless it all goes tits up at the Mancs of course) and I feel sorry for the fans of clubs like West Ham, Portsmouth and Leeds before them etc.

Anyway, it's a shame that a club stupid enough to probably have come in for Joe Cole won't be able to now :P

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Re: West Ham.
« Reply #36 on: May 15, 2011, 02:31:56 pm »
Where do you start.

Could go back in time & mention all the poor decisions at the club in recent years. As far back as letting slip & not investing in a young pool of talent & selling them eventually. Such players as Ferdinand, Carrick, Lampard, Johnson, Cole, Defoe etc . Arguably only Man Utd's Giggs , Beckham etc generation on par in recent years.

Redknapp wasted the funds on players like Rigobert Song & Titi Camara etc.

Then the Icelandics arrive & spend money they don't have & putting players on stupid wages that cripple the club for years. Icelands economy goes tits up & our owners who have borrowed to finance there fun at West Ham hut the financial skids thus so do we with over 100 million debt.

The Tevez saga costs the club £25 million. Taints it's reputation.

The Porn Kings come in . Firstly I have to thank them as they saved the club from administration. But wish they would stop being media whores & just run the bloody club. There soundbites are embarrassing at times. There handling if the Avram/ O'Neill saga what a shambles. If they had just sacked Grant then O'Neill would have joined.

Piss poor signings last summer etc. Avram Grant must go. Tactically inept no motivation skills. Playing players in the wrong positions, dropping players when they seem to do ok.

Finally the players. Other than Parker & Green the rest have been a disgrace. Stealing a living. Hopefully other than some if the local lads like Noble & Collison etc most will leave .

A fresh start is needed throughout the club.
The Championship is a tough league & we will need players up for the fight that means most if the current squad leaving thank fuck. Normally when you get relegated you want to keep your best players . These lot can fuck off 
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Re: West Ham.
« Reply #37 on: May 15, 2011, 02:35:30 pm »
I think I've discovered the secret of their failure..








Could anybody take David Sullivan seriously, when he wanders around like he's either a cockney oil businessman from the eighties lauding it up in the Costa del Sol..




..or Chairman Mao?

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« Reply #38 on: May 15, 2011, 02:35:44 pm »
Harry Redknapp happened to them. All downhill from there.

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Re: West Ham.
« Reply #39 on: May 15, 2011, 02:41:05 pm »
West Ham as a club are in a mess. Looks like they're going down. But hope to see them back sooner rather than later.
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