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« Reply #480 on: March 19, 2009, 02:11:11 pm »
The Early Learning Centre are selling porn now?.................this credit crunch has reached a new low mate!

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Re: Kitsters & MacPhisto and other experts wallpaper shop.
« Reply #481 on: March 19, 2009, 02:19:13 pm »
My understanding of it mate is that 'Vectors' are the mathematically calculated lines used to draw certain shapes that, when combined, create the art in some illustrations. 'Raster' drawings, as far as I'm aware, are the ones where you work on the individual bitmap pixels (a lot of the stuff done with tweaks in Photoshop, for example).

Vectors keep their shape and integrity no matter what scale you zoom to, so with a technology like SVG (Scalable Vector Graphics), the image looks identical in quality terms no matter how much you zoom in or out. With Raster graphics, however, you'll get quality degradations according to how far you zoom in (I think anyway).

The term I'm toiling with is 'vectoring', but I think maybe that's to do with overlaying transparent layers to create depth effects. When you do that, it can cause the vector image to distort when you resize it etc... but I'm not sure.

McPhisto dude, is that about right?
That pretty much sums it up. Vector art is generally considered to be in the style of Art Vandalays recent images, tho it is possible to create paintings etc in vector that still look 'hand-painted'. the Liverbanner for example was originally a vector image due to the size of its reproduction, but i decided to raster it and finish it as a 300dpi RAM busting image and export it as a 3gb Jpeg. even at 20 something metres, you cant really see any pixelation.  Working at that size takes a serious amount of computer power tho, and i had to upgrade to a seriously powerful computer to finish it.

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« Reply #482 on: March 19, 2009, 02:30:42 pm »
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« Reply #483 on: March 19, 2009, 03:07:15 pm »
Wow - that's amazing Kitster. The banner's unbelievable though - a thing of beauty.

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« Reply #484 on: March 19, 2009, 06:51:01 pm »
That pretty much sums it up. Vector art is generally considered to be in the style of Art Vandalays recent images, tho it is possible to create paintings etc in vector that still look 'hand-painted'. the Liverbanner for example was originally a vector image due to the size of its reproduction, but i decided to raster it and finish it as a 300dpi RAM busting image and export it as a 3gb Jpeg. even at 20 something metres, you cant really see any pixelation.  Working at that size takes a serious amount of computer power tho, and i had to upgrade to a seriously powerful computer to finish it.

Is right. I've found that while vectored images can look very nice and clean, you are seriously limited to what you can do as far as detail is concerned. Not only that, if you are to draw detail, it's seriously time consuming. I take it you used a combination of both techniques. A 3gb jpeg? Fuck me! I don't think I've ever seen anything that size. My computer would just simply go into a coma and not recover. My PC struggles to produce stuff at over say 5000x5000 and lags like a bastard if I were to do broad strokes or add a anisotropic filter or something like that. It's seriously a piece of shit, and in order to get stuff looking clear photo realistic in a piece of art, you need those high resolutions to work with.

As for the vectoring, and vexel thing, a lot of people confuse the two. They are both similar, but one has a major difference in that a vector is infinitely scalable so that it doesn't really loose it's fidelity and is perfect format for print should you choose to upscale. With a vexel, it's not ideal to work with should you be working for a advertising company or whatnot. You'll just run into issues and probably end up wasting your time.

Still, Illustrator is a very, very nice program. It's just not that user friendly IMO. It took me a while to suss out that pen tool, which was a complete bollox, and worst of all, the selection tools, which are absolutely essential which I didn't have a scooby's clue about in the beginning and found myself swearing like a maniac all over my work place when I was trying to produce certain results, notably with the "pathfinder" functions. It's also a great package to use because your files can be made compatible with Photoshop and be converted to PSD. format and vice versa. Now I can hand draw stuff and go to Illustrator and create some really nice special effects that can't be done in PS and add them in, which is great because it now allows me to produce some really nice looking stuff.

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« Reply #485 on: March 19, 2009, 06:59:07 pm »
My understanding of it mate is that 'Vectors' are the mathematically calculated lines used to draw certain shapes that, when combined, create the art in some illustrations. 'Raster' drawings, as far as I'm aware, are the ones where you work on the individual bitmap pixels (a lot of the stuff done with tweaks in Photoshop, for example).

Vectors keep their shape and integrity no matter what scale you zoom to, so with a technology like SVG (Scalable Vector Graphics), the image looks identical in quality terms no matter how much you zoom in or out. With Raster graphics, however, you'll get quality degradations according to how far you zoom in (I think anyway).

The term I'm toiling with is 'vectoring', but I think maybe that's to do with overlaying transparent layers to create depth effects. When you do that, it can cause the vector image to distort when you resize it etc... but I'm not sure.

McPhisto dude, is that about right?
Is correct, yes. Though a vectored image should never distort. It's all to do with your grouping of your shapes. If it's distorting, then you're probably not selecting the whole group of the main image and re-sizing.

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« Reply #486 on: March 19, 2009, 09:42:09 pm »
Head done - not sure where to go with it now really. I've gone off the GTA idea.

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Re: Kitsters & MacPhisto and other experts wallpaper shop.
« Reply #487 on: March 19, 2009, 09:47:46 pm »
Thanks to the experts for finally explaining what these "vectors" are. It's still a bit fuzzy to me though why they're so good. I can understand that for something like Kittster was doing for that huge banner, where it had to keep it's resolution on a huge scale. But, what if you wanted something photo-realistic? Is that possible with a vector? Because all the pictures I've seen so far that have been labelled vectors look very cartoony.

P.s A 3G jpeg? Holy fuck! 

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« Reply #488 on: March 19, 2009, 10:59:15 pm »
Is right. I've found that while vectored images can look very nice and clean, you are seriously limited to what you can do as far as detail is concerned. Not only that, if you are to draw detail, it's seriously time consuming. I take it you used a combination of both techniques. A 3gb jpeg? Fuck me! I don't think I've ever seen anything that size. My computer would just simply go into a coma and not recover. My PC struggles to produce stuff at over say 5000x5000 and lags like a bastard if I were to do broad strokes or add a anisotropic filter or something like that. It's seriously a piece of shit, and in order to get stuff looking clear photo realistic in a piece of art, you need those high resolutions to work with.

As for the vectoring, and vexel thing, a lot of people confuse the two. They are both similar, but one has a major difference in that a vector is infinitely scalable so that it doesn't really loose it's fidelity and is perfect format for print should you choose to upscale. With a vexel, it's not ideal to work with should you be working for a advertising company or whatnot. You'll just run into issues and probably end up wasting your time.

Still, Illustrator is a very, very nice program. It's just not that user friendly IMO. It took me a while to suss out that pen tool, which was a complete bollox, and worst of all, the selection tools, which are absolutely essential which I didn't have a scooby's clue about in the beginning and found myself swearing like a maniac all over my work place when I was trying to produce certain results, notably with the "pathfinder" functions. It's also a great package to use because your files can be made compatible with Photoshop and be converted to PSD. format and vice versa. Now I can hand draw stuff and go to Illustrator and create some really nice special effects that can't be done in PS and add them in, which is great because it now allows me to produce some really nice looking stuff.

Thanks for that - really interesting mate. I always start out with the lynda.com books when I'm learning a new Adobe tool - really practical tutorials with tutorials that seem relevant for a change, you know?

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« Reply #489 on: March 20, 2009, 01:54:25 am »
Dunno know which of the two threads this should go in, so fuck it I'll stick it in both...
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« Reply #490 on: March 20, 2009, 08:45:15 am »
^^
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« Reply #491 on: March 20, 2009, 08:48:52 am »
Love that concept and the artwork.
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« Reply #492 on: March 20, 2009, 02:54:37 pm »
Dunno know which of the two threads this should go in, so fuck it I'll stick it in both...

thats fucking brilliant, great concept.

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« Reply #493 on: March 20, 2009, 04:22:52 pm »
Dunno know which of the two threads this should go in, so fuck it I'll stick it in both...


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« Reply #494 on: March 20, 2009, 05:09:53 pm »
Absolutely brilliant Art - well done
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Re: Kitsters & MacPhisto and other experts wallpaper shop.
« Reply #496 on: March 21, 2009, 09:37:37 pm »
Anyone ever done one of Rafa with the Hannibal Lecter-style straight jacket and facemask?


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« Reply #497 on: March 22, 2009, 12:25:13 am »
Anyone ever done one of Rafa with the Hannibal Lecter-style straight jacket and facemask?



Errrrrr......I have to say that isn't something I have ever considered doing Roy.

Well not since I stopped taking mind altering drugs!!


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« Reply #498 on: March 22, 2009, 08:45:48 am »
Dunno know which of the two threads this should go in, so fuck it I'll stick it in both...

Brilliant stuff that, fella. You should get paid. If not, why not.

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« Reply #499 on: March 22, 2009, 11:33:04 am »
Brilliant stuff that, fella. You should get paid. If not, why not.

pot, kettle springs to mind.
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« Reply #500 on: March 22, 2009, 08:27:55 pm »
pot, kettle springs to mind.

 :)

Ha! I'll take that as a compliment. Aye, I know what you mean, though. That's artists and and choosing to be one as a profession for ye. Whenever I sell my work to people, for some reason I feel like I'm ripping them off. For me it's hard to put a value on things.

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« Reply #501 on: March 23, 2009, 12:46:42 am »
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Ha! I'll take that as a compliment. Aye, I know what you mean, though. That's artists and and choosing to be one as a profession for ye. Whenever I sell my work to people, for some reason I feel like I'm ripping them off. For me it's hard to put a value on things.

I've always been like that. People have asked me to draw shit for them a couple of times, but I've never charged. It doesn't feel right, I totally agree with ya. Although, we are wrong, and if you have a talent, you're entitled even obliged to exploit it. I couldn't, but I'm nowhere near as talented as yourself or Kitster.

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« Reply #502 on: March 23, 2009, 03:22:07 am »
People have asked me to draw shit for them a couple of times

serious? why would anyone want a pic of a turd?
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« Reply #503 on: March 23, 2009, 08:26:14 am »
serious? why would anyone want a pic of a turd?

They were Man U fans. ;)

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« Reply #504 on: March 23, 2009, 02:07:03 pm »
Todays Lunch Time Special is:





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« Reply #505 on: March 23, 2009, 04:35:28 pm »
They were Man U fans. ;)

 ;D get drawing, i can supply portraits to start you off
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« Reply #506 on: March 24, 2009, 08:37:30 am »
;D get drawing, i can supply portraits to start you off

Haha, it's a long time since I've drawn anything and I find it hard to find the time these days. I did draw a few Man U players for a friend years ago, but they weren't very good. I'd post them here but don't think they'd be welcome. ;D

Here's a wallpaper I made last week, but forgot to post it. Nothing special, but it was fun experimenting with photoshop as I'm a newbie to it.



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« Reply #507 on: March 24, 2009, 05:12:51 pm »
Todays Lunch Time Special is:





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class that mate, was thinking of doing the same kind of thing, looks like you beat me to it ;)

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« Reply #508 on: March 24, 2009, 05:37:12 pm »
has anyone got a large image of our club crest?
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« Reply #509 on: March 24, 2009, 07:23:06 pm »
has anyone got a large image of our club crest?
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There's one hanging off the Kop wall if that's any good
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« Reply #510 on: March 25, 2009, 02:16:23 am »
I decided to give Illustrator my first real go by just diving in and drawing straight with the pen tool with a design from scratch. No Live Trace here. I've not seen a Liverbird mascot kind of design, so I gave one a go.

 Really starting to get the feel of the program now. This has a lot of work to go before it gets to where I want it to be at. Some might prefer the simple cartoon look, but I'm going to build some feathers up. Kitser, is there any way to merge the groups so that I can drop a shadow for the body as a whole instead of the filter dropping down a shadow for each object? I'm thinking it might need to be rasterized to do that?


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« Reply #511 on: March 25, 2009, 08:28:12 am »
I decided to give Illustrator my first real go by just diving in and drawing straight with the pen tool with a design from scratch. No Live Trace here. I've not seen a Liverbird mascot kind of design, so I gave one a go.

 Really starting to get the feel of the program now. This has a lot of work to go before it gets to where I want it to be at. Some might prefer the simple cartoon look, but I'm going to build some feathers up. Kitser, is there any way to merge the groups so that I can drop a shadow for the body as a whole instead of the filter dropping down a shadow for each object? I'm thinking it might need to be rasterized to do that?



That's a great design mate, love the 5 times hand gesture idea, nice touch! Can't wait to see the finished article. I think the shadows look great, did the program do them automatically for ya? That's pretty handy if so. Well, unless you don't want them like you said.

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« Reply #512 on: March 25, 2009, 05:08:29 pm »
The shadows are gradient tones. But it's not those that are the problem. I'm looking to drop a shadow in behind the bird itself. Illustrator deals with individual objects and entities even if they are all part of a single layer, so when I select the whole group of shapes, it drops shadows down for each one of them and the result looks a bit nuts due to the stacking order of the objects. I think it has something to do with the pathfinder function where shapes can be merged to form a single body like Photoshop flattens layers. I'm not sure, though. Have to experiment with that.

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« Reply #513 on: March 26, 2009, 03:06:54 am »
The shadows are gradient tones. But it's not those that are the problem. I'm looking to drop a shadow in behind the bird itself. Illustrator deals with individual objects and entities even if they are all part of a single layer, so when I select the whole group of shapes, it drops shadows down for each one of them and the result looks a bit nuts due to the stacking order of the objects. I think it has something to do with the pathfinder function where shapes can be merged to form a single body like Photoshop flattens layers. I'm not sure, though. Have to experiment with that.

Couldn't you just save the image, open it in photoshop on a new layer, add a shadow to it, then just transfer it back over into illustrator?

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« Reply #514 on: March 28, 2009, 02:42:00 pm »
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« Reply #515 on: March 29, 2009, 06:56:23 pm »
got a bit bored before, resolution might be a bit messed up though im not sure.

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« Reply #516 on: April 4, 2009, 03:07:08 pm »
Was looking for Kitster's handy set of custom brushes (many thanks to him for those) on Google when I came across this.



I then realized the resemblance to my adult version of the mascot Liverbird. Coincidence or what? Erie. Just wanted to note that just in case someone thought there was some kind of plagiarism going on.

By the way, Kit - did you finish your bird/devil painting?

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« Reply #517 on: April 4, 2009, 03:17:45 pm »
Was looking for Kitster's handy set of custom brushes (many thanks to him for those) on Google when I came across this.



I then realized the resemblance to my adult version of the mascot Liverbird. Coincidence or what? Erie. Just wanted to note that just in case someone thought there was some kind of plagiarism going on.

By the way, Kit - did you finish your bird/devil painting?
not yet - had a load of insane deadlines this last few weeks.

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« Reply #518 on: April 4, 2009, 03:36:13 pm »
not yet - had a load of insane deadlines this last few weeks.

Kit, the PM's don't seem to be working on here. Where can you download that brush set of yours? I just need the stencil for the torch. I'd make one up myself, but I'm a lazy bastard.

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« Reply #519 on: April 4, 2009, 03:45:36 pm »
Kit, the PM's don't seem to be working on here. Where can you download that brush set of yours? I just need the stencil for the torch. I'd make one up myself, but I'm a lazy bastard.

http://kitster29.deviantart.com/art/Liverpool-FC-Custom-Brush-Set-85955965

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