Author Topic: Windows 10, professional spyware. (Read 100390 times)

Kashinoda · « **Reply #160 on:** July 18, 2015, 11:48:02 am »

Quote from: reniformis on July 18, 2015, 11:07:11 am

Not officially I think. I was on 10162 and updated through that to 10240. I had a look on the insider site to see if I could download the ISO for 10240 and MS have removed the downloads page and say they aren't 'onboarding any new PC's' so close to the release date although you can still update any PC's already set up on the insider program, whatever that means.

I had concerns about transfer of licences and activation but the EULA for 10240 (you can find it by searching for/running the command winver) looks the same as Windows 8.1 in that regard ie if your underlying licence for win 7/8.1 is transferable then the free upgrade to 10 is as well. And it appears that there will be a 10-year support cycle for W10 as for previous windows versions:

http://www.maximumpc.com/microsoft-addresses-windows-10-subscription-fears-with-10-year-support-commitment/

although it's only officially supported if it's fully updated. Not something that is relevant to Home users as they'll be getting updates whether they like it or not. Pro users can delay updates by up to 8 months, any longer than that and they stop receiving them and the installation stops being supported. Also, "supported for the lifetime of the device" appears to mean that if your W10 installation is on an old PC/Tablet or whatever, and a future upgrade breaks the OS because of a lack of old hardware support, then you're screwed. BUT as long as it's not OEM/preinstalled then you should be able to transfer the licence to another device instead. I think.

Anyway, Windows 10 itself is really very good. I'm running it on an old Athlon 64 X2 5200+ (2.6GHz dual core)/2GB RAM build and it absolutely pisses on Win 7. A few UI annoyances (slightly blurry text due to the old barely-supported video card) and e-mails that I've already read and deleted still appearing in the notification centre and the like (that may be because I read my outlook emails through chrome and not through the MS mail app) but I reckon 10 is continuing the microsoft good/shite OS cycle.

Am I right in thinking you could disable updates entirely with the Enterprise edition? Definitely looks like Microsoft are going down the service route.

I took the plunge and grabbed the 10240 build (which is heavily rumoured to be the RTM anyway), love the slickness of it all... I had tried a build around a year ago and wasn't impressed.

A few things:

Remove OneDrive from Windows 10:
https://techjourney.net/disable-or-uninstall-onedrive-completely-in-windows-10/

Removing 'QuickAccess':
http://www.askvg.com/how-to-disable-quick-access-aka-home-view-in-windows-10-file-explorer/
http://www.tenforums.com/tutorials/4844-quick-access-navigation-pane-add-remove-windows-10-a.html

Also noticed Xbox app that is on there by default (and reinstalls itself if you remove it in PowerShell). This has caused me some problems with games due to the game DVR feature. Open msconfig.exe, goto services and de-select all the Xbox services.

For anyone who's grabbed the 10240 build, this is how you activate it:

Spoiler

Type the following command and hit the Enter key:
slmgr /ipk W269N-WFGWX-YVC9B-4J6C9-T83GX
Wait for the message box popup that the key is installed.

Now type the following command and press Enter
slmgr /skms kms.xspace.in
Again, wait for the message box.

Finally, enter the following command:
slmgr /ato

[close]

Riquende · « **Reply #161 on:** July 20, 2015, 11:19:15 am »

Is it known yet if the keylogger from one of the earlier builds has been removed?

Kashinoda · « **Reply #162 on:** July 21, 2015, 12:47:55 pm »

Ark and Rocket League a bit buggy for me, might be down to AMD drivers so I'm going to leave it a couple of months before doing a full switch. Should be long enough for updates and drivers to mature.

"21C or 70F?" SchizoidWeatherMan! · « **Reply #163 on:** July 21, 2015, 04:00:31 pm »

Looking forward to the phone version of windows 10! The continuum feature which turns your phone into a pc by attaching a monitor through hdmi and bluetooth input devices, voila.

John C · « **Reply #164 on:** July 24, 2015, 09:30:11 am »

So have people downloaded this now? And is it worthwhile?

JasonF · « **Reply #165 on:** July 24, 2015, 05:02:30 pm »

Quote from: John C on July 24, 2015, 09:30:11 am

So have people downloaded this now? And is it worthwhile?

It's not officially out until next Wednesday, but I've been using the final build via the technical preview since it came out of the 15th July and it's running perfectly for me.

As someone who's used Windows 7, 8 & 8.1, I'd advise anyone on those versions to make use of the free update, it's a big improvement.

John C · « **Reply #166 on:** July 24, 2015, 11:23:44 pm »

Thanks Jason.

Upinsmoke · « **Reply #167 on:** July 24, 2015, 11:40:11 pm »

What's the latest on the pirate copies? Asking for a friend....

reniformis · « **Reply #168 on:** July 26, 2015, 12:45:15 pm »

Quote from: Riquende on July 20, 2015, 11:19:15 am

Is it known yet if the keylogger from one of the earlier builds has been removed?

From what I understand it's not a keylogger in the malware sense at all, but I don't have the technical knowledge to back that up, I just googled 'Windows 10 keylogger'. And that whatever it is is locked on in insider builds for feedback to microsoft as is the point of test builds. It can be turned off in the general release version. Funnily enough I just checked the settings in the 10240 'RTM' insider build I'm running and under the privacy>feedback settings it says 'The Windows Insider Programme manages this option' so the insider build IS different.

Quote from: Upinsmoke on July 24, 2015, 11:40:11 pm

What's the latest on the pirate copies? Asking for a friend....

Think it's a wait-and-see situation. There's stuff about like kmspico but if I can find that easily then I'm sure microsoft are aware of it and I'm guessing that mandatory updates are going to make piracy a pain the arse over and over again in a constant game of cat and mouse, never mind the malware versions of hacks that you may accidentally download. If you, sorry, your friend wants to risk breaking your OS every time it updates itself, it may be better to just legitimately run an insider build on the slow ring. Who knows.

EDIT: Also it depends what you're actually asking, whether 10 can be pirated or whether pirated 7/8.1 can be upgraded?

Anyway, back to W10 itself, it looks like the expected problems with mandatory updates have started.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonkelly/2015/07/25/windows-10-automatic-update-problems/

Basically, people with nvidia GPUs are finding that the nvidia software and windows update are competing to auto-install their own 'latest driver' (which aren't the same version numbers) in an endless loop and breaking multimonitor and SLI setups. Also for SLI, only one driver install is required for both cards but Windows is installing two instances and causing problems. Microsoft should be deferring to the manufacturers on this one, they know their own products best. At least make driver updates through windows update optional and allow rolling back to earlier versions as people often need to do when a new driver breaks something. I'll certainly be waiting until this sort of shit is fixed before I upgrade my main PCs.

Elmo! · « **Reply #169 on:** July 26, 2015, 12:56:44 pm »

Quote from: Upinsmoke on July 24, 2015, 11:40:11 pm

What's the latest on the pirate copies? Asking for a friend....

I can get you a genuine license for Windows 7 if you want which you can then upgrade to 10.

Smudgester · « **Reply #170 on:** July 26, 2015, 01:02:14 pm »

Quote from: elmo_swatloski on July 26, 2015, 12:56:44 pm

I can get you a genuine license for Windows 7 if you want which you can then upgrade to 10.

Do pirate Win7 copies no longer qualify for free Win10?

reniformis · « **Reply #171 on:** July 26, 2015, 01:12:17 pm »

Quote from: Smudgester on July 26, 2015, 01:02:14 pm

Do pirate Win7 copies no longer qualify for free Win10?

Not genuine and activated, no. It can be upgraded but you'd end up with a non-genuine 10 installation and whatever restrictions that comes with. Presumably nagware, watermarks, crippled updates, forced reboots every 2 hours or whatever.

Elmo! · « **Reply #172 on:** July 26, 2015, 01:13:42 pm »

Quote from: Smudgester on July 26, 2015, 01:02:14 pm

Do pirate Win7 copies no longer qualify for free Win10?

As reniformis said above, it's unclear. As I understand it, pirated versions will still be able to upgrade but it will still be 'pirated' and therefore possibly won't get updates or maybe won't have access to some features.

Skeeve · « **Reply #173 on:** July 26, 2015, 03:10:27 pm »

Quote from: John C on July 24, 2015, 09:30:11 am

So have people downloaded this now? And is it worthwhile?

I actually tried the preview on some crappy atom-based netbook I have here and even that level of hardware seems to run better than it did on win7.

It has run fine on the normal spec machine I tried it on and seems to address most of the issues people had with win8/8.1

Twelfth Man · « **Reply #174 on:** July 28, 2015, 08:28:53 am »

When is it coming? Still no sign of the c*nt. I am a disappoint.

Mark Walters · « **Reply #175 on:** July 28, 2015, 02:11:43 pm »

Quote from: Twelfth Man on July 28, 2015, 08:28:53 am

When is it coming? Still no sign of the c*nt. I am a disappoint.

Officially tomorrow but you might still be waiting for weeks after for the update on your machine

Twelfth Man · « **Reply #176 on:** July 29, 2015, 12:05:04 am »

Quote from: Mark Walters on July 28, 2015, 02:11:43 pm

Officially tomorrow but you might still be waiting for weeks after for the update on your machine

c*nt's, I'll just buy it, if it doesn't turn up tomorrow. £99? the cost of a couple of coffee's and a bun in London these days.

Trada · « **Reply #177 on:** July 29, 2015, 06:18:31 am »

Just this very second upgrade its a little strange right now.

I didn't get a message to tell me it was there I thought I would check went setting, windows updates and it told be it was ready to download.

Trada · « **Reply #178 on:** July 29, 2015, 06:48:56 am »

I love the weather part of it and the sports center.

Mark Walters · « **Reply #179 on:** July 29, 2015, 10:20:12 am »

Anyone know how you can force the download?

Trada · « **Reply #180 on:** July 29, 2015, 10:35:40 am »

Quote from: Mark Walters on July 29, 2015, 10:20:12 am

Anyone know how you can force the download?

Some one put this guide up dont know if it works or not.

http://www.redmondpie.com/force-download-windows-10-free-upgrade-right-now-heres-how-tutorial/

Graeme · « **Reply #181 on:** July 29, 2015, 10:43:14 am »

Can we get an ISO to do a clean install with?

ollyfrom.tv · « **Reply #182 on:** July 29, 2015, 10:49:50 am »

I'm running Windows 8.1 but as yet i haven't had the windows icon come up on the bottom of my screen. How do i get the update? Is it just a question of waiting? Cheers

Pheeny · « **Reply #183 on:** July 29, 2015, 11:06:46 am »

I've had a Windows 10 Update - failed. error 80240020 4 times now...

Mark Walters · « **Reply #184 on:** July 29, 2015, 11:15:48 am »

Quote from: Trada on July 29, 2015, 10:35:40 am

Some one put this guide up dont know if it works or not.

http://www.redmondpie.com/force-download-windows-10-free-upgrade-right-now-heres-how-tutorial/

Thanks. It's working. Downloading now

Pheeny · « **Reply #185 on:** July 29, 2015, 11:36:21 am »

http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/software-download/windows10

dikwad · « **Reply #186 on:** July 29, 2015, 02:27:43 pm »

Quote from: Trada on July 29, 2015, 10:35:40 am

Some one put this guide up dont know if it works or not.

http://www.redmondpie.com/force-download-windows-10-free-upgrade-right-now-heres-how-tutorial/

This works, cheers

Azi · « **Reply #187 on:** July 29, 2015, 02:49:51 pm »

has anyone been able to get vpn client working on windows 10 ?

Packalacky · « **Reply #188 on:** July 29, 2015, 04:19:13 pm »

Quote from: Graeme on July 29, 2015, 10:43:14 am

Can we get an ISO to do a clean install with?

From what I've read, you need to do the update first so it registers your (Win 7/8) key as a valid Win10 key, then you can do a fresh install and use that key to validate the new install.

Twelfth Man · « **Reply #189 on:** July 29, 2015, 04:30:14 pm »

Didn't get the update, kept showing failed, so after some research downloaded and installing this via my USB.:
http://www.tenforums.com/tutorials/2267-windows-10-upgrade-installation.html#step12

reniformis · « **Reply #190 on:** July 29, 2015, 04:31:04 pm »

Quote from: Packalacky on July 29, 2015, 04:19:13 pm

From what I've read, you need to do the update first so it registers your (Win 7/8) key as a valid Win10 key, then you can do a fresh install and use that key to validate the new install.

I believe you can update 7/8.1 using the ISO (provided you've downloaded the right version for your current OS - 32/64 Home/Pro), activate it then do a fresh install with the same ISO, saving a double download. I'll be trying it that way, just downloaded the ISO now for my non-insider PC's. Don't know if reserving a copy means you've already committed your PC to updating through windows update though?

Pheeny · « **Reply #191 on:** July 29, 2015, 04:53:38 pm »

updated my Desktop using http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/software-download/windows10

Now in the process on doing the laptop!

TepidT2O · « **Reply #192 on:** July 29, 2015, 04:57:33 pm »

I'm sure this is obvious, but I can update my windows 7 free?

Is my four year old laptop going to handle it?

ollyfrom.tv · « **Reply #193 on:** July 29, 2015, 05:10:11 pm »

Quote from: @Pheeny on July 29, 2015, 04:53:38 pm

updated my Desktop using http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/software-download/windows10

Now in the process on doing the laptop!

Used this link as well. Took a while but now up and running. Does anyone know how to get Cortana to speak back to you. At the moment it just opens Edge with the Bing page

JasonF · « **Reply #194 on:** July 29, 2015, 05:21:49 pm »

Quote from: Tepid water on July 29, 2015, 04:57:33 pm

I'm sure this is obvious, but I can update my windows 7 free?

Is my four year old laptop going to handle it?

It'll likely run better on Windows 10 than on 7. You can upgrade for free, do you have the little windows icon at the bottom right of your taskbar?

Skeeve · « **Reply #195 on:** July 29, 2015, 05:22:57 pm »

Quote from: Tepid water on July 29, 2015, 04:57:33 pm

I'm sure this is obvious, but I can update my windows 7 free?

Is my four year old laptop going to handle it?

If your machine runs windows 7 then it will be fine on win 10 and might even run a bit better on win 10.

I tried the preview on some crappy atom-based netbook (5-6 years old) I had lying around and its running better than it was before, albeit that might be the usual speedboost from a fresh windows install, but in any case it is coping with win10 fine.

Another thing to bear in mind, you can roll back to your previous OS in the first month if you want anyway.

TepidT2O · « **Reply #196 on:** July 29, 2015, 05:22:59 pm »

Quote from: JasonF on July 29, 2015, 05:21:49 pm

It'll likely run better on Windows 10 than on 7. You can upgrade for free, do you have the little windows icon at the bottom right of your taskbar?

Havent used it for a while, so I will check later!

Twelfth Man · « **Reply #197 on:** July 29, 2015, 05:28:02 pm »

Can't get nvidia drivers to work either through windows update or nvidia site...

coops · « **Reply #198 on:** July 29, 2015, 05:35:52 pm »

Quote from: Twelfth Man on July 29, 2015, 05:28:02 pm

Can't get nvidia drivers to work either through windows update or nvidia site...

Had the same and it still seems a bit funky with multiple monitors. Rebooting fixed the driver issue for me.

Twelfth Man · « **Reply #199 on:** July 29, 2015, 06:02:33 pm »

Quote from: coops on July 29, 2015, 05:35:52 pm

Had the same and it still seems a bit funky with multiple monitors. Rebooting fixed the driver issue for me.

Cheers it seems to have loaded, via Win update, but where has my nvidia control panel right-click gone?