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About this board

This Feedback board is intended for legitimate feedback and suggestions, the mods spend enough time having to deal with stuff on the site and it would be helpful if people don't post silly comments as time is spent reading all of them.  That said, we are always interested in your feedback and suggestions about the site and how it might be improved. 

Before posting any questions or comments on this board all users are strongly advised to make themselves aware of the RAWK FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) below this post and the RAWK Posting guidelines. If you can't find an answer in either of these threads then we would also ask you to use the search function to see if a similar question has been asked and answered before.  The moderating team will not look kindly upon users who cannot be bothered to take these simple steps.

Finally, when a topic is locked, it means the issue has been dealt with.  If you disagree with something on a locked topic, please take it up with the mod who locked the topic rather than start a new topic.
Frequently Asked Questions

How do you get a custom title?
How do I stop being a 'Park Drinker' and become Anny Roader/Kopite Legend?
How can I get an image in my signature?
How can I get an article on the front page?
How do I upload a picture?
Why have you deleted my post?
Why was thread x locked?
Why are you so strict, I wasn't doing any harm etc.
What does 'No new LFC topics' (NNT) mean'?
How can I regain the ability to post new topics in the LFC forum?
Why shouldn't I refer to the Mancs as Scum?
What's wrong with accessing the forum on someone elses account?
When should I use the 'report to moderator' button?
I want to get onto the ticket exchange forum but it says i cant due to age restrictions?
Why can't I start new topics in the LFC forum?
Why can't I send Personal Messages?
What is the size limit for Avatars?

How do you get a custom title?

The custom title appears just below your username, and above your avatar, if you have one.  Normally only Rawk staff can give you a custom title and the process is entirely random.  Some people get one within minutes of joining the forum, others have posted happily for years without attracting the mischeivous attentions of a moderator.  Recently we've allowed those who have helped sponsor the site to give themselves a custom title, although traditionalists believe that giving oneself a custom title spoils the fun.


How do I stop being a 'Park Drinker' and become Anny Roader/Kopite Legend?

This changes according to the number of posts you've made.  We'll let you discover ust how many for yourself.  There is a Rawk legend concerning a mysterious fifth category which Jonathan Hall has pledged to discover in a quest of Arthurian proportions.

Each level advanced gets an extra star.

How can I get an image in my signature?

You can't.  They've been disabled.  They were getting too large and slowing peoples use of the forum. 

How can I get an article on the front page?

You can email articles to editor@redandwhitekop.net but the preferred route is to post it in the LFC forum and then send an IM to the editor, Rushian, with a link to the post.  Be warned though he doesn't move everything and will often get the sharp editing scissors out if he decides to move it.

How do I upload a picture?

If the picture is on your hard drive you can click Additional options (under the post window) and browse to find the image and then click save.   Allowed file types include: txt, jpg, gif, pdf, jpeg and png.  The Maximum attachment size allowed is: 200 KB, maximum 6 attachments per post.  If the picture is very large please consider reducing it in size prior to posting.

If the image is on the web you may be able to link to it.  The second button from the right above the smileys inserts the img tags.  They look like this: [img]  [/img].  You can insert the link to the web image between these tags, be aware that some sites will not allow such 'hotlinking'.

Why have you deleted my post?

First step, has it really been deleted?  It may have been merged into another thread.  You can check by accessing your profile and viewing your most recent posts.  If it's gone then it's been deleted.  There are a number of reasons why it might have been deleted, be sure to read the RAWK Posting guidelines to check whether it may have contravened one or more of the rules before posting a question in the feedback forum.  Using 'Txtspk', abusing other members or writing potentially libellous comments are all easy ways to get your posts deleted.

Why was thread x locked?

Users who have posts removed or deleted often have the reason explained via IM, or in the case of locked threads a reason may be given by the Mod in question.  Occasionally, (with us all being humans with full time jobs and other activities to take up our time) a Mod may neglect to explain their action. Furthermore, because we are a collection of volunteers rather than paid employees, what one Mod finds unacceptable may be acceptable to another, so inconsistencies may occur. Like I said, we're all human. On these occasions, if you post a polite question in the feedback forum we'll answer it as soon as possible.

Why are you so strict?  I wasn't doing any harm etc...

Are we?  For every person who feels the forum rules are too restrictive, there are others that wish they went further.  Ultimately like any other community we need some rules to ensure that everyone gets along.  If you're not happy remember that no other supporters are as well served with alternatives as a Liverpool supporter.

What does 'No new LFC topics' (NNT) mean'?

As Rawk has become more popular the number of new topics posted continues to grow.  Unfortunately not everyone realises that every time a new topic is started it pushes an existing thread off the front page.  Multiple threads on the same subject lead to a forum that's almost unuseable and extremely irritating for most users.

At a rough estimate 8 out of 10 new threads could have been easily handled in an existing topic.  'New Topic' should be one of the least used buttons on your browser, certainly less than 'Search'.  Reusing old topics gives us the chance to see how a situation has changed, to laugh at the views expressed a few months before and stops users rehashing the same old arguments.

In response to concerns regarding the standards of posts in the Liverpool Forum the moderating team introduced the 'No new topics' user group.  Once this is applied the forum user loses the ability to start new threads in the LFC board.  They can still post new topics in other boards and they can also reply to existing threads in the LFC forum.  The only ability they lose is the right to start new topics in the LFC forum.

How can I regain the ability to post new topics in the LFC forum?

Firstly, the NNT has been applied for a reason.  Check your existing posts and see what topics you've started, were there already existing threads?  In order to regain the ability to post new topics you will have to demonstrate that you have understood the reasons why new topics should be started with caution.  Read (or reread) the forum guidelines and obey them for a period of at least 6 weeks and then ask on the feedback forum for the NNT to be reviewed.  If you want to start a new topic you can send it via IM to a moderator who can post it for you.  If it's a good effort they may restore your ability to post new topics there and then. 
Apply to have No New LFC topics status reviewed here

As the site grows members can expect more and more of these NNT to be applied, it stops the moderating team having to ban people and we hope it will lead to an improvement in the standards on RAWK as a whole.

Why shouldn't I refer to the Mancs as Scum?

You might elsewhere but on RAWK we prefer that you don't.  If you ask people anywhere in the world to name two English clubs the likelihood is that they will name Liverpool and Manchester United : both clubs are world famous. To the outside observer we are similar ! Rivalry is celebrating the differences - including Five real European Champions Cups to Three ! Decent rivalry respects successes and traditions. To the Mancs who paid their respects after Hillsborough should go nothing but respect in return : to call them Scum is a disgrace. And when a club has the song tradition of Liverpool FC it is a sad sound to hear the obsession of the ignorant with insulting, disrespectful songs. It's a sign of ignorance of the traditions of your own club, and let's hope that the presence of so many less-than-regular matchgoers tomorrow does not bring it to the fore. And when rivalry is exaggerated to the point of moronic violence it ceases to be a difference : it's just more unwanted Scum.

This is an abridged version of an article by Bob Kurac, you can read the full version here

What's wrong with accessing the forum on someone elses account?

We've noticed in recent months there's been a couple of incidents of certain people logging into RAWK under other peoples usernames, with the intention of posting thread/topics as if they were the active user themselves.

Whilst this may seem wildly humorous to those indulging in this activity, it seems to have escaped their notice that they are infact potentially breaching the privacy of EVERY user on this forum.

Whilst you've been logging into other peoples accounts, you've had access to their entire Instant Message system. In this part of the forum are PRIVATE MESSAGES, sent from or to other users who are, more than likely, unaware that a 3rd party has access to these communications.

As stated elswhere on this forum today, we take the privacy of RAWK users very seriously and we take a dim view of those who feel they are above such principles.

Think long and hard about what you are doing with regards to other peoples logins and please respect the privacy of others. Those found to be using other peoples accounts, or those knowingly permitting the use of their own accounts to others will be permanently banned, without question.

*Note: This thread is not directly related to this, though hopefully both amply express our commitment to the privacy of personal information held on RAWK.

When should I use the 'report to moderator' button?

The moderating team do their best to maintain order on the site and ensure that the posting guidelines are respected.  However with dozens of active discussions at any one time we can't be everywhere at once. This site can only exist therefore if the members take responsibility for reporting posts which break the guidelines.

As a rough guide, posts which are very abusive, racist, or potentially libellous should be reported immediately, as should abuses of the ticket forum, touting and people trying to fill the boards with spam.  We rely on members taking responsibility on themselves to report these posts and if that doesn't happen the site will become unmanageable.

We take the protection of minors very seriously. For this reason you are not permitted to use the ticket exchange unless you're over 18. If you're over 18 and still not being allowed on the exchange you need to put your date of birth in your profile. If there's no date in there the software will assume you're not old enough to access and block you accordingly.


How can I surf Rawk without my bosses realising I'm a workshy parasite that should be sacked immediately?

If you're using Firefox then blocking images from redandwhitekop should remove the graphics and avatars. 

For those using Explorer Cocteau has come up with a style sheet solution:

Assuming you're using Internet Explorer:

Download (ie right-click and 'Save as...') the attached file http://www.redandwhitekop.com/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=85576.0;attach=44476 and go to Tools/Internet Options/Accessibility/User Style Sheet, check 'Format documents using my style sheet', and point it to the file you just downloaded, then click 'OK'. Now go to RAWK, et voila. (You might have to restart Internet Explorer for it to work though).

You'll have to uncheck that option whenever you want to visit a site other than RAWK, otherwise the stylesheet will affect that site too.

PS - this was just a quick attempt, I'm sure a more tidy/elegant one could be put together by someone with sufficient time/inclination...

Why can't I start new topics in the LFC forum?

New members can't start topics in the LFC forum until they've made 50 posts. The restriction was introduced to allow new members to get an idea of the site before they start their own topics. We don't want the site to go the way of .tv's old forums where there'd be 4 or 5 pages of new topics each day with many of dubious quality. Hopefully once a user has made it to 50 posts they've a grasp of the guidelines, what works and what doesn't.

It's unfortunate that the restriction can only be applied universally. However should you wish to start a topic then you can mail it to one of us and we'll do it for you.

Why can't I send Personal Messages?

You need to have made 15 posts before you can send Personal Messages to others.

What is the size limit for Avatars?

Image size limit is 75x75 and File size limit is 50Kb. Avatars >50Kb will be removed.

Veinticinco de Mayo:
Good Evening good citizens of RAWK.

Just wanted to bring to your attention the fact that we have slightly tweaked the RAWK posting guidelines to try and keep up with the modern world of social media etc etc etc.

The sections that have changed are shown below.

The main changes are the inclusion of stuff about privacy, copyright and libel that were previously contained in a separate sticky on RAWK Privacy Policy.  The plan is to remove that sticky shortly.

The other changes update what you can expect by way of moderation to reflect a little how big the site has become and to reflect that we are using warnings more and more instead of either a quiet PM or a ban.

Finally there is a new section on what we expect from you in the rest of cyberwherever which hopefully will clarify a few issues raised by Incognito in his feedback thread.

Have a read and feel free to ask questions, comment, have a moan or just go and do something more interesting instead.


Privacy Policy, Copyright and Libel
These are all pretty hazy areas in terms of the internet and as such the policies on these are liable to change with the circumstances. The over-riding principle here is that users remember that RAWK is an open and public site which typically lists pretty high on internet searches.  We want the site to remain an open community and would ask users not to jeopardise that by placing the site in danger of legal action.  More specifically:


* We will not tolerate the unauthorised publication of the addresses of private individuals.  Users who do so risk a permanent ban.
* Please refrain from posting information which is covered by reporting restrictions imposed by a court. If you feel compelled to share this information use Twitter.
* Remember that this is an open and highly visible forum. Remember also that what you write may be archived permanently.  Do not publish anything here that was not intended for public viewing.  Do not make any allegations which are clearly libellous.  If the shit hits the fan and it is the site or you then we will offer you up faster than you can say super-injunction.
* Articles that are freely available on the web may be reproduced here but should always be attributed, preferably with a link to the original source.Would all users please note that RAWK does not condone or tolerate the publication of addresses of private individuals anywhere on the site.[/size]Any individual who carries out these activities will be banned permanently from the site. In the event of any legal proceedings, RAWK will co-operate fully with any police requests for information. We work hard to ensure that RAWK is an open and public site, with regular opportunities for people to join our community. Please don't risk that freedom by placing the site in danger of legal action. We would ask all users to report any instances of addresses being published as a matter of urgency.  :wave

Privacy Policy and Personal Messages

1. RAWK will never pass on, forward or reveal the contents of other members' PM's to other people be it on here or outside 3rd parties.2. Nor do we read and look into anyone else PM's unless it becomes a legal matter. I'm not sure anyone but a red star mod even can, but its a policy we stick by3. We rarely ever reveal PM's sent to us unless the receipient wishes to. And there's the point. As with emails, remember once you've sent it, its the receiver's choice what they do to it and so its a timely reminder that you should probably never send an email or PM that you wouldn't be happy to be broadcast anywhere else.


What to expect in terms of moderation:

If you ignore any of the BIG RULES, you'll will find youself being moderated in one of the following ways (depending on each instance):

* Temporary or Full access ban.
* A warning which shows against your username and may result in you being unable to post for a period
* 'No New LFC Topics' assigned to your profile.If you ignore any of the Guidelines, in the first instance you'll be notified by a moderator, who will let you know what it is they deemed to be inappropriate. Your post(s) are also likely to be edited/deleted or merged with others.

If you continue to ignore the Guidelines, you'll will find youself being moderated in one of the following ways (depending on each instance):

* Temporary or Full access ban.
* A warning which shows against your username and may result in you being unable to post for a period.
* 'No New LFC Topics' assigned to your profile.The above may also apply to posts reported to us via the 'Report To Moderator' feature.

What Users can expect from the Mods:
Clearly on a forum this large and with so many registered users it will not always be possible to provide explanations or to moderate with the personal touch that we would like, however, the aim is to:

* Where possible/applicable, new users will be given a polite pointer to these guidelines if we deem it necessary.
* An explanation as to why you have been temporally/permanently banned/had posting rights removed.
* An explanation should always be given for why a thread is locked or moved to another forum.Where an explanation is not fortcoming we're hoping that people will be able to find an answer in these guidelines. If however you can't, please feel free to ask why you have been moderated. Our preference would be for this to be done privately, but there is also the Feedback forum if you wish it to be a public discussion. Please note though, we're all volunteers, so if you do not receive an immediate response bear with us and wait for us to get back to you.

Whilst we feel its only fair for us to communicate why we have moderated something, we also reserve the right to call you an arse, apply relevant custom titles, call into question the legitimacy of your parentage or generally just rip the piss out of you (well, there has to be SOME benefits to this mod lark).

Users' Responsibilities to RAWK In The Wider World
Users are trusted not to bring the site into disrepute either by their posts here or elsewhere on the Internet. To that end gross breaches of the site guidelines on issues such as racism, homophobia, ticket touting, wherever they are committed may result in your RAWK account being deleted.

Just as we aim to be fair to you, then in response we ask that you be fair to the site, the staff and other users.  Persistent or gratuitous abuse of the site, staff or particular users on Twitter, Facebook, personal blog or hilarious youtube video may also result in your posting rights being permanently withdrawn. 

RAWK Posting Guidelines[/size]We feel these guidelines will be useful for the Mods in terms of managing the forums, but just as importantly, we hope they provide users a point of reference with which to understand the basic nature of RAWK and also to gauge why a post may have been moderated. The ultimate aim of it all though is to enable you to ENJOY contributing to RAWK and for others to ENJOY your contributions.Its also worth pointing out that:1. Mods may at times disagree on certain things. In these instance (which are rare anyway), its best to to let them work it out between themselves.2. What is set out below is a framework, not an absolute set of rules and regulations. It will be necessary at times to moderate posts for reasons that are not outlined below.  BIG RULES: Things deemed to be totally unacceptable:
* Pornographic material
* Racism, homophobia, sexism
* Spam/Commercial advertising
* Overt personal abuse of other posters (unless its in jest of course!)
* Use or attempted use of the Ticket Exchange forum if you are not 18 years of age or older.
* Posting addresses or phone numbers of private individuals anywhere on the site.
* Ticket Touting
* Registering and using duplicate accounts whilst banned.
* All other breaches of the basic Forum T&C's in place at your time of registration or at any time during your membership of RAWK.
* [/size]Guidelines: Things we'd rather you did not do:
* Creating duplicate threads. Before starting a new thread use the search feature to check that the subject of your intended post is not already covered by an existing thread. Post to existing threads wherever possible. This particularly applies to post match comments.
* Starting threads in the wrong forum. We believe the board descriptions on the index page are fairly self explanatory, but feel to ask a mod if you are not sure.
* Starting 'one liner' theads in the LFC forum. Again, if starting a new thread in the main LFC forum, refrain from short one liners. If you link to an article on another forum/website give a few short sentences of explanation about what the link is, why we should click it and what your impressions of the article are. This goes a long way to provoking discussion.
* Using 'Text Speak' in your posts. Please take the time to write replies in English and feel free to use the spell checker thats provided (NB: Don't worry if English is not your first language!).
* Slagging off other LFC sites. Its seems to have become a bit of a hobby for some. We'd prefer it if you didn't do this.
* [/size]
* Thread domination (ooer). Do not try to bully someone into submission or disparage every comment they make, simply because their views may differ from your own. Write a coherent reply setting out your views and then let others have their say.
* "Spinning" news reports/interviews. Use thread titles that are appropriate to the article, rather than putting your own spin on it. This is not a tabloid newspaper, people are intelligent enough to draw their own conclusions on articles.
* Excessive/unnecessary swearing. We take a liberal attitude to this (after all, its something pretty much all of us do at the match!), but please do not go over the top. Keep it in context and do not use swear words on new thread titles on the main LFC forum.
* Anonymous Sourcing. If you copy and paste an article, piece of news or rumour about LFC to the forum please include a link to the original website source or explain where and the context of how you heard the story. We discourage unsourced rumour and gossip. Also, do not copy and paste news items from subscription sites such as the Koptalk Insider.
* URL links, special SMF formatting tags or smileys in the first 1 or 2 lines of the first post in an LFC Forum thread. We've found this causes formatting issues on the RAWK front page for those using Internet Explorer browsers. There's two solutions to this:
        1. Don't use URL links, special SMF formatting tags or smileys.
        2. Everyone uses Firefox (www.getfirefox.com).
* [/size]Privacy Policy, Copyright and LibelThese are all pretty hazy areas in terms of the internet and as such the policies on these are liable to change with the circumstances. The over-riding principle here is that users remember that RAWK is an open and public site which typically lists pretty high on internet searches.  We want the site to remain an open community and would ask users not to jeopardise that by placing the site in danger of legal action.  More specifically:
* We will not tolerate the unauthorised publication of the addresses of private individuals.  Users who do so risk a permanent ban.
* Please refrain from posting information which is covered by reporting restrictions imposed by a court. If you feel compelled to share this information use Twitter.
* Remember that this is an open and highly visible forum. Remember also that what you write may be archived permanently.  Do not publish anything here that was not intended for public viewing.  Do not make any allegations which are clearly libellous.  If the shit hits the fan and it is the site or you then we will offer you up faster than you can say super-injunction.
* Articles that are freely available on the web may be reproduced here but should always be attributed, preferably with a link to the original source.
* [/size]Privacy Policy and Personal Messages 1. RAWK will never pass on, forward or reveal the contents of other members' PM's to other people be it on here or outside 3rd parties.2. Nor do we read and look into anyone else PM's unless it becomes a legal matter. I'm not sure anyone but a red star mod even can, but its a policy we stick by3. We rarely ever reveal PM's sent to us unless the receipient wishes to. And there's the point. As with emails, remember once you've sent it, its the receiver's choice what they do to it and so its a timely reminder that you should probably never send an email or PM that you wouldn't be happy to be broadcast anywhere else.


What to expect in terms of moderation:If you ignore any of the BIG RULES, you'll will find youself being moderated in one of the following ways (depending on each instance):
* Temporary or Full access ban.
* A warning which shows against your username and may result in you being unable to post for a period
* 'No New LFC Topics' assigned to your profile.
* [/size]If you ignore any of the Guidelines, in the first instance you'll be notified by a moderator, who will let you know what it is they deemed to be inappropriate. Your post(s) are also likely to be edited/deleted or merged with others.If you continue to ignore the Guidelines, you'll will find youself being moderated in one of the following ways (depending on each instance):
* Temporary or Full access ban.
* A warning which shows against your username and may result in you being unable to post for a period.
* 'No New LFC Topics' assigned to your profile.
* [/size]The above may also apply to posts reported to us via the 'Report To Moderator' feature.What Users can expect from the Mods:Clearly on a forum this large and with so many registered users it will not always be possible to provide explanations or to moderate with the personal touch that we would like, however, the aim is to:
* Where possible/applicable, new users will be given a polite pointer to these guidelines if we deem it necessary.
* An explanation as to why you have been temporally/permanently banned/had posting rights removed.
* An explanation should always be given for why a thread is locked or moved to another forum.
* [/size]Where an explanation is not fortcoming we're hoping that people will be able to find an answer in these guidelines. If however you can't, please feel free to ask why you have been moderated. Our preference would be for this to be done privately, but there is also the Feedback forum if you wish it to be a public discussion. Please note though, we're all volunteers, so if you do not receive an immediate response bear with us and wait for us to get back to you.Whilst we feel its only fair for us to communicate why we have moderated something, we also reserve the right to call you an arse, apply relevant custom titles, call into question the legitimacy of your parentage or generally just rip the piss out of you (well, there has to be SOME benefits to this mod lark).Users' Responsibilities to RAWK In The Wider WorldUsers are trusted not to bring the site into disrepute either by their posts here or elsewhere on the Internet. To that end gross breaches of the site guidelines on issues such as racism, homophobia, ticket touting, wherever they are committed may result in your RAWK account being deleted.Just as we aim to be fair to you, then in response we ask that you be fair to the site, the staff and other users.  Persistent or gratuitous abuse of the site, staff or particular users on Twitter, Facebook, personal blog or hilarious youtube video may also result in your posting rights being permanently withdrawn.
Other Terms and Conditions
By submitting content, which shall include your member name, to the Red and White Kop Message website and forums, you grant the Red and White Kop website and forums a royalty-free, perpetual, irrevocable, non-exclusive right (including any moral rights) and license to use, license, reproduce, modify, adapt, publish, translate, create derivative works from, distribute, derive revenue or other remuneration from, communicate to the public, perform and display the content (in whole or in part) worldwide and/or to incorporate it in other works in any form, media, or technology now known or later developed, for the full term of any Rights that may exist in such content. You also warrant that the holder of any Rights, including moral rights in such content, has completely and effectively waived all such rights and validly and irrevocably granted to you the right to grant the license stated above.

Right, well that's it we think, all thats left to say right now is:

Please note: This is a vibrant and active online community. As such, it may be necessary for us to amend the posting guidelines from time to time to reflect the changes to the overall heartbeat of the site. If this is the case, then we'll ensure any changes are communicated to you all, but please also try to check back here once in a while to see if anything has been updated.

Regards,
RAWK Admin.

Dogme 04 has futher thoughts on how to debate.  Find it here:

http://www.redandwhitekop.com/forum/index.php/topic,27031.0.html

Please note. Anyone using the word Retard, Spastic or Spaz in any context beyond the correct medical term will result in a swift kick to the warnings or a short ban and repeated use will result in a ban. Thanking you.

J-Mc-:
I would like to discuss this bit particularly.

"Just as we aim to be fair to you, then in response we ask that you be fair to the site, the staff and other users.  Persistent or gratuitous abuse of the site, staff or particular users on Twitter, Facebook, personal blog or hilarious youtube video may also result in your posting rights being permanently withdrawn. "

I understand that no one wants to be seen to be getting slagged off in any form or anyway possible (unless it's playful banter which is accepted and thus not taken to far,) however it doesn't sit right that what you post on another medium will have repercussions onto your RAWK profile for me.

Would another way of sorting out differences between mods and certain users be for the mod to add a 'conversing' tag to the users profile which prevents them from posting in the forums, also giving them 5 minutes from their last post, then for the mod to invite the user to a private RAWK chatroom (using the existing one of course,) sending a link to the poster through PM and then they can sort out their differences. If the user simply does not act civilized and continues their abuse, then they get a full time ban?

I know it may seem like a lot of work but technically, all it would need is a new tag and a new message when trying to post that simply states "You are now conversing with a moderator, please check your PM's." This will point the user in the right direction, give them a real time chance to put across their views and possibly amend whatever they have done.

I understand that mods do this in their spare time and it is appreciated, however this forum would be nothing if not for the long time users such as the recent Dr Manhattan who of course has been permanently banned. Sometimes when you're banned or warned, it feels as though you are unable to air your views due to a number of reasons, with the main ones being that you don't know who issued it to you an you also aren't given a chance to explain the meaning behind your views, even when you are un-banned (if at all) or have the warning tag removed.

Sometimes when a poster offers an opinion on something done by the mods, they are met with the usual "Don't like it, there are other forums" which is not only counter-productive, but also gives users the impression that they must tow a party line or they won't last long.

May be worth a discussion?

Veinticinco de Mayo:

--- Quote from: J-Mc- on March  6, 2012, 09:14:32 pm ---I would like to discuss this bit particularly.

"Just as we aim to be fair to you, then in response we ask that you be fair to the site, the staff and other users.  Persistent or gratuitous abuse of the site, staff or particular users on Twitter, Facebook, personal blog or hilarious youtube video may also result in your posting rights being permanently withdrawn. "

I understand that no one wants to be seen to be getting slagged off in any form or anyway possible (unless it's playful banter which is accepted and thus not taken to far,) however it doesn't sit right that what you post on another medium will have repercussions onto your RAWK profile for me.

Would another way of sorting out differences between mods and certain users be for the mod to add a 'conversing' tag to the users profile which prevents them from posting in the forums, also giving them 5 minutes from their last post, then for the mod to invite the user to a private RAWK chatroom (using the existing one of course,) sending a link to the poster through PM and then they can sort out their differences. If the user simply does not act civilized and continues their abuse, then they get a full time ban?

I know it may seem like a lot of work but technically, all it would need is a new tag and a new message when trying to post that simply states "You are now conversing with a moderator, please check your PM's." This will point the user in the right direction, give them a real time chance to put across their views and possibly amend whatever they have done.

I understand that mods do this in their spare time and it is appreciated, however this forum would be nothing if not for the long time users such as the recent Dr Manhattan who of course has been permanently banned. Sometimes when you're banned or warned, it feels as though you are unable to air your views due to a number of reasons, with the main ones being that you don't know who issued it to you an you also aren't given a chance to explain the meaning behind your views, even when you are un-banned (if at all) or have the warning tag removed.

Sometimes when a poster offers an opinion on something done by the mods, they are met with the usual "Don't like it, there are other forums" which is not only counter-productive, but also gives users the impression that they must tow a party line or they won't last long.

May be worth a discussion?

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John,

We included "persistent and gratuitous" for a reason.  We're not planning on scouring the net looking for the tiniest bit of abuse.  However we have had instances in the past where a blog was being used to attack the site on a daily basis.  Or when users from other sites were only really coming on here to cause trouble and then reporting back to their mates on the first site.  It's all a bit sad really and best for both sides if it is brought to an end.

I don't think that there is time for the chat thing but if anyone wants to discuss a moderation issue then a polite PM or email will definitely have more chance of success than an online rant. 

Veinticinco de Mayo:

--- Quote from: rowan_d on March  6, 2012, 09:16:36 pm ---This is outside of your goddamn jurisdiction Mayo :P

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Indeed it is.  We are not going to make any attempt to stop people saying whatever they want about the site elsewhere.  The permanently banned frequently do.  What we do reserve the right to do is say "You've spent the last two weeks saying how shit the site is, why on earth do you want to come back on?"

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