Topic: THE NON-LIVERPOOL TRANSFER THREAD

[classycarra]

Had a look at the Leicester forum,they seem to think Chilwell to Chelsea is very close now.

Should solve their defensive issues

I guess he can at least run faster than Alonso, but is that plus his passport worth tens of millions?

[Tobelius]

Should solve their defensive issues

I guess he can at least run faster than Alonso, but is that plus his passport worth tens of millions?

  I think he's ok but nothing special and they're talking of a £60m+ fee over there which is nuts,don't know if that is even remotely true though.

[Barefoot Doctor]

Spending actual money on fullbacks? Wouldn’t be my club.

With the cash they’re throwing about, the expectations on Lampard should be massive next season. Werner and Ziyech in the door, Havertz and Chilwell to follow. Maybe a keeper and CB too. Genuinely, anything less than a genuine and sustained title challenge should be considered a failure. 85 points minimum.

[whtwht]

Spending actual money on fullbacks? Wouldn’t be my club.

With the cash they’re throwing about, the expectations on Lampard should be massive next season. Werner and Ziyech in the door, Havertz and Chilwell to follow. Maybe a keeper and CB too. Genuinely, anything less than a genuine and sustained title challenge should be considered a failure. 85 points minimum.

Better hit the ground running Frank. That's some serious spending!

[muszka]

Better hit the ground running Frank. That's some serious spending!

They will be replacing over half of their first team in one go. Any examples of this working out for any team? Because I think it's not going to go as well as they think it will.

[Bend It Like Aurelio]

Spending actual money on fullbacks? Wouldn’t be my club.

With the cash they’re throwing about, the expectations on Lampard should be massive next season. Werner and Ziyech in the door, Havertz and Chilwell to follow. Maybe a keeper and CB too. Genuinely, anything less than a genuine and sustained title challenge should be considered a failure. 85 points minimum.

I think they’ll have issues integrating so many players at once. All with big price tags. If they don’t manage to have a good season, the malaise will probably drag on for years to come.

Lampard is no Guardiola.

[Robinred]

Spending actual money on fullbacks? Wouldn’t be my club.

With the cash they’re throwing about, the expectations on Lampard should be massive next season. Werner and Ziyech in the door, Havertz and Chilwell to follow. Maybe a keeper and CB too. Genuinely, anything less than a genuine and sustained title challenge should be considered a failure. 85 points minimum.

Betfair odds are no guarantee of anything, but fwiw, both Chilwell and Havertz are long, long odds on to join Chelsea (1/6 and 1/20 respectively). Koulibaly is 4/11 to join City, and Ollie Watkins 1/3 to join Villa.

Other odds on quotes of interest are: 4/6 Kante to Utd., 8/11 Coutinho to Arsenal, 8/11 Sancho to Utd., 8/15 Partey to Arsenal. Grealish is even money to join Arsenal.

Those Kante to Utd. odds are surprising...

[FlashGordon]

If there's one thing bedding odds aren't an indicator of it's football transfers and new manager appointments. Franck Ribery was once 1/20 to join us.

[El Lobo]

We could probably get Messi to be odds on to join us if we’ve all got a tenner to spare to put a bet on

[smutchin]

If there's one thing bedding odds aren't an indicator of it's football transfers and new manager appointments. Franck Ribery was once 1/20 to join us.

I’d say the bookies got that one about right.

Edit: on second thoughts, I should learn to read...

[FlashGordon]

Be funnier if we went for him to join the bitters and watch their transfer thread on GOT for a laugh.

[LovelyCushionedHeader]

Newcastle trying to sign Tom Davies for around £12 million apparently. Would be good business for Everton I'd say, given that's he's shit.. But a bit humbling seeing as he was meant to their saviour. Also will be pointless when they use the money on a United/Arsenal/Chelsea cast off.

Also a bit of a come down for Newcastle post-takeover breakdown. Mbappe to Davies...

[Dim Glas]

£12 mill for Davies.... Newcastle don’t half do some shite transfer business.

Championship level player, maybe that’s the idea!

[Barefoot Doctor]

Alexander Sorloth, of Crystal Palace but on loan at Trabzonspor, apparently off to RB Leipzig. Scored 33 goals this season for the Turkish side.

[Drinks Sangria]

Alexander Sorloth, of Crystal Palace but on loan at Trabzonspor, apparently off to RB Leipzig. Scored 33 goals this season for the Turkish side.

That says to me that the Schick deal isn't going ahead. You wouldn't have two such strikers with a similar profile in the squad. Jury's still out on Sorloth, there's not a great history of goalscorers in the Turkish league translating their form elsewhere, but he's still young. I'm surprised Palace haven't found a way to bring him back.

Maybe Old man Hodgson simply doesn't fancy him.

[whtwht]

They will be replacing over half of their first team in one go. Any examples of this working out for any team? Because I think it's not going to go as well as they think it will.

Oh I agree I can't see this suddenly working straight away. Pressure will be applied if they make a slow start and that defence needs abit of work

[Drinks Sangria]

I genuinely don't understand Havertz moving to Chelsea. He's above them in my mind. It might be similar to Werner in that he doesn't want to wait for a better move or take the risk that something like an injury at the wrong time scuppers an actual decent transfer.

Chelsea- if they get Havertz - have essentially got two of the best young attacking players in world football in a purely opportunistic fashion, because they certainly don't have the standing or status currently to get these types of players in my mind. Money does talk, but it's a lack of money being shown by any number of other clubs that would make more sense for this pair to join.

They wouldn't have even qualified for the Champions League if Chilwell, Soyuncu and Pereira had stayed fit for Leicester.

[PeterTheRed ...]

I genuinely don't understand Havertz moving to Chelsea. He's above them in my mind. It might be similar to Werner in that he doesn't want to wait for a better move or take the risk that something like an injury at the wrong time scuppers an actual decent transfer.

Chelsea- if they get Havertz - have essentially got two of the best young attacking players in world football in a purely opportunistic fashion, because they certainly don't have the standing or status currently to get these types of players in my mind. Money does talk, but it's a lack of money being shown by any number of other clubs that would make more sense for this pair to join.

They wouldn't have even qualified for the Champions League if Chilwell, Soyuncu and Pereira had stayed fit for Leicester.

This is Chelsea we are talking about. The same club that managed to fuck up De Bruyne and Salah. And even if they do get Havertz, their defence is still the worst in the top 10. They are not a threat to us.

[Dim Glas]

I genuinely don't understand Havertz moving to Chelsea. He's above them in my mind. It might be similar to Werner in that he doesn't want to wait for a better move or take the risk that something like an injury at the wrong time scuppers an actual decent transfer.

Chelsea- if they get Havertz - have essentially got two of the best young attacking players in world football in a purely opportunistic fashion, because they certainly don't have the standing or status currently to get these types of players in my mind. Money does talk, but it's a lack of money being shown by any number of other clubs that would make more sense for this pair to join.

They wouldn't have even qualified for the Champions League if Chilwell, Soyuncu and Pereira had stayed fit for Leicester.

I think Havertz like Werner saw staying at their clubs last year as being ‘the last year’. I know it’s particularly nuts in Havertz case, being how he’s 20! But he saw his best mate (Julian Brandt) make the move, and could have gone himself, but decided to give Leverkusen - his club for a decade, another season.

Imagine how hard it is as a 20 year old to turn down the sort of contract he’s getting offered from Chelsea.

I totally got Werner going now, being as he has seen 2 bigger clubs come in for him, then not sign him, two seasons running.  But yeah, Havertz, it’s a shame. Bayer not getting CL this year was the final straw really.

[plura]

Another factor that complicates things is the huge fee that Havertz would cost. If we are talking about a transfer that would cost from £70-90m then only a few team (Chelsea, Man City, PSG, Barca and Real) could really afford that. And the latter of those could normally but probably not this year.

Unless we'd sell Firmino or someone else from our forward line then we wouldn't be able to cough up with that sum. It's not worth it for us, and also questionable that we could afford it.

[Drinks Sangria]

I think Havertz like Werner saw staying at their clubs last year as being ‘the last year’. I know it’s particularly nuts in Havertz case, being how he’s 20! But he saw his best mate (Julian Brandt) make the move, and could have gone himself, but decided to give Leverkusen - his club for a decade, another season.

Imagine how hard it is as a 20 year old to turn down the sort of contract he’s getting offered from Chelsea.

I totally got Werner going now, being as he has seen 2 bigger clubs come in for him, then not sign him, two seasons running.  But yeah, Havertz, it’s a shame. Bayer not getting CL this year was the final straw really.

Good post, I agree and it all makes sense, I think I'm just trying to do the gymnastics in my head to get to the point where I can accept the transfer given he's so good and would be so good for ourselves 

Chilwell is an odd one. Is it because he's English that the press seem to think he's had an incredible season? He really hasn't. He's been... okay with some flashes of good. Leicester should be laughing getting £60m for him. Go and buy Rico Henry from Brentford, or Caci from Strasbourg. Either will replace him and do a perfectly fine job. 

[Flaccido Dongingo]

Chilwell is bang, and I do mean bang average

[mickeydocs]

Chilwell is bang, and I do mean bang average

We were in for him when we were looking at Robertson.

[Dim Glas]

We were in for him when we were looking at Robertson.

it was the season before, but Leicester wanted far more than he was worth, so they decided to stick with Milner.

Good chance he’d have developed into a top player here.

[Barefoot Doctor]

Think Chilwell is one of the best LBs in the league. But that doesn’t mean he’s worth £60m odd. I reckon Klopp wouldn’t ever countenance spending more than £20m on a fullback.

Hope Leicester replace him with Lewis, be nice if he got a decent move after his hopes of coming here fell through.

[PeterTheRed ...]

Think Chilwell is one of the best LBs in the league.

Like most English players, he is over-rated. We have just signed a better left fullback ...

[jillcwhomever]

Like most English players, he is over-rated. We have just signed a better left fullback ...

"Most" English players? You could say the same on a number of non-English players as well.

[PeterTheRed ...]

"Most" English players? You could say the same on a number of non-English players as well.

Nah, the English players are the most over-rated players in the World, by the English press and the English fans. I mean, Harry Maguire for £80 million 

[Bend It Like Aurelio]

Nah, the English players are the most over-rated players in the World, by the English press and the English fans. I mean, Harry Maguire for £80 million 

That's a dangerous road to go down, considering the year our English players have been having. Prices are inflated for English players not because they're overrated, but because of the homegrown quota.

[Skeeve]

That's a dangerous road to go down, considering the year our English players have been having. Prices are inflated for English players not because they're overrated, but because of the homegrown quota.

Even with homegrown quotas and many english players being good, it is undeniable that the english media loves to overhype english players, dismissing any limitations or failings until it comes time to knock that player back down again.

[jillcwhomever]

That's a dangerous road to go down, considering the year our English players have been having. Prices are inflated for English players not because they're overrated, but because of the homegrown quota.

Exactly.

[PeterTheRed ...]

That's a dangerous road to go down, considering the year our English players have been having. Prices are inflated for English players not because they're overrated, but because of the homegrown quota.

A player doesn't need to be English, for him to qualify as homegrown.

[Bend It Like Aurelio]

Even with homegrown quotas and many english players being good, it is undeniable that the english media loves to overhype english players, dismissing any limitations or failings until it comes time to knock that player back down again.

Media in some countries will overhype their own players, and in others they are often overly critical. But you can’t say this phenomena is just an English one, it is in fact a thing in a lot of countries. I was in Japan last time when they were in the World Cup, and the media coverage for the Japanese players was way over the top.

It happens in all sports everywhere. It’s just the way it is.

[Bend It Like Aurelio]

A player doesn't need to be English, for him to qualify as homegrown.

How many straws would you like to pick here?

[PeterTheRed ...]

How many straws would you like to pick here?

OK, you win. Chilwell is worth £60 million because of his homegrown status.

[Bend It Like Aurelio]

OK, you win. Chilwell is worth £60 million because of his homegrown status.

So Coutinho is worth 142 million pounds? Pogba is worth 80? Is Chilwell being overrated because he’s English? Or because he’s being overrated?

[Stockholm Syndrome]

So Coutinho is worth 142 million pounds? Pogba is worth 80? Is Chilwell being overrated because he’s English? Or because he’s being overrated?

When we sold him Coutinho probably was on that market.

But other than that, yes Foreign players can be overrated too, but that doesn't mean that English players don't generally get overrated due to the fact that they are English. There is a much higher proportion of overrated English players from the English media, than there is overrated foreign players. It's understandable, all media's would do it for their local talent, but it does mean than generally there isn't huge value in English players for English clubs

Even with quality english players around, a lot of definitely average players get branded as quality due to them being English. Players like Wan Bissaka, Maguire, Chillwell, Maddison, Barkley, Rice, Mount, Winks, Calvert Lewin, Grealish, even at some point real shite like Mings.

This also generally leads to inflated prices, because there are some clubs who actually buy into the media hype and pay over the odds for these players.

Thats not to say those players are even bad, players like Maddison and Grealish are good, but nowhere near as good as the media say. They are not £80 million players, which the media and their clubs would tout them

[Sheer Magnetism]

Reinier Jesus going on loan to Dortmund from Real for an initial year potentially going to two.

That seems a really strange signing given he seems to play in a similar position to Reyna and Bellingham, who Dortmund actually own. And yes, Chilwell isn't worth £60 million but he's hardly average - he's one of the best left backs in the league.

[Bend It Like Aurelio]

When we sold him Coutinho probably was on that market.

But other than that, yes Foreign players can be overrated too, but that doesn't mean that English players don't generally get overrated due to the fact that they are English. There is a much higher proportion of overrated English players from the English media, than there is overrated foreign players. It's understandable, all media's would do it for their local talent, but it does mean than generally there isn't huge value in English players for English clubs

Even with quality english players around, a lot of definitely average players get branded as quality due to them being English. Players like Wan Bissaka, Maguire, Chillwell, Maddison, Barkley, Rice, Mount, Winks, Calvert Lewin, Grealish, even at some point real shite like Mings.

This also generally leads to inflated prices, because there are some clubs who actually buy into the media hype and pay over the odds for these players.

Thats not to say those players are even bad, players like Maddison and Grealish are good, but nowhere near as good as the media say. They are not £80 million players, which the media and their clubs would tout them

But again, I think those players generally have a premium because they fill a need at those clubs that want them, namely because they can meet the homegrown quota without them being dead weight (for the most part). But do a lot of these players get overhyped? Perhaps, partly also because of this PL proven tag that gets thrown around. But these are not the old days anymore where transfers happen sometimes due to word of mouth. Clubs have more sophisticated ways to scout them now, so it all comes down to talent evaluation.

And the other effect that adds to this is that the PL is the richest league in the world, so the fees will look even more inflated compared to players sold on from lesser leagues. It is always just supply and demand. If there is a demand, and the supply is generally low, then you will have this problem.

[RichardM]

I do honestly believe that Chilwell has been the second best LB in the league this season. Ricardo Pereira on the other side is absolutely awesome too. £60m is steep for any fullback but he's got a lot of ability, is strong defensively and has a high ceiling. Oh and he's English. The fee will be high though because Leicester won't want to sell, not necessarily because he is worth it.