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Re: Fabinho
« Reply #6440 on: October 1, 2022, 11:12:05 pm »
He's knackered. Basically we play him in pretty much evrey game unless he's injured.

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Re: Fabinho
« Reply #6441 on: October 1, 2022, 11:15:10 pm »
He's knackered. Basically we play him in pretty much evrey game unless he's injured.

How is he tired mate?

He missed a lot of football last season.

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Re: Fabinho
« Reply #6442 on: October 1, 2022, 11:21:31 pm »
He's knackered. Basically we play him in pretty much evrey game unless he's injured.

I mean honestly who does this not apply to at almost any other club that is paid to be a starter? As I noted in the transfer thread we're seemingly the only club in the world where more than 5 midfielders is even a discussion point. Is there a player on another club where the fan base is making excuses for him that he had to play too much?

I think we can all acknowledge that generally the players are asked to play too many games while also noting that the demands on our players aren't hugely different than any other CL level team. If we ruined them then there is no one else to blame and then it's more of a choice of do you want to just continue to pay them for sentimental reasons or do you just bite the bullet and move them on?

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Re: Fabinho
« Reply #6443 on: October 2, 2022, 01:17:50 am »
I mean honestly who does this not apply to at almost any other club that is paid to be a starter? As I noted in the transfer thread we're seemingly the only club in the world where more than 5 midfielders is even a discussion point. Is there a player on another club where the fan base is making excuses for him that he had to play too much?

I think we can all acknowledge that generally the players are asked to play too many games while also noting that the demands on our players aren't hugely different than any other CL level team. If we ruined them then there is no one else to blame and then it's more of a choice of do you want to just continue to pay them for sentimental reasons or do you just bite the bullet and move them on?

Fabinho has actually played a more reasonable amount of football than most of our players - he's played nearly 30% less football than Robertson since signing for us, for example. He plays a very similar amount of minutes per season to comparable midfielders at other clubs - in fact less than Rodri, Jorginho, Bernardo Silva, Gundogan, etc.

Fabinho's problem is he's never been the quickest/fittest and he seems to be slowing down as he's aged (both in terms of covering the ground and reaction times) which has been compounded by general midfield dysfunction. It's fine if you play to his strengths (of which he has plenty) or surround him with runners, but it's become increasingly easy to take him out of the game, particularly on transitions, and that's a concern for us with the way we play and given teams are starting to play a bit more bravely against us (particularly in terms of committing men forward on the break).

He will look better if/when we start penning teams in again, or if we ever buy an athletic midfielder, but I think we'll see a lot more of these types of performance unless we change the way we set up. He just isn't very good at covering ground when running back towards his own goal. It is what it is.

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Re: Fabinho
« Reply #6444 on: October 2, 2022, 01:38:05 am »
Fabinho is consistently losing duels that he would have won last season mainly being slower to the ball. Previously he had an uncanny ability to get his foot to the ball and away from the other player but he is getting consistently outfought. Has he lost his desire to win? It is more likely that he is physically not the same player he was, and that the midfielders in the mid tier teams upwards have become better.

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Re: Fabinho
« Reply #6445 on: October 2, 2022, 12:49:07 pm »
Seen him and Klopp had words yesterday, obviously don’t know what was being said. Looked like Klopp was berating him. Fabinho was gesticulating back at him. Could only see from the main stand so no idea what the context of it was.

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Re: Fabinho
« Reply #6446 on: October 2, 2022, 12:58:59 pm »
Maybe some radical surgery is needed - bench Alexander, put fabinho as rb to shore up the right side defensively (that was his original position anyway), and put bajcetic and Henderson in the midfield with thiago.

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Re: Fabinho
« Reply #6447 on: October 2, 2022, 01:36:27 pm »
He needs dropping, he’s been poor for too long and having a go at Klopp yesterday should be the final straw. We can use Hendo at 6 which I appreciate is far from a perfect solution or we could try a 4231.
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Re: Fabinho
« Reply #6448 on: October 2, 2022, 01:49:18 pm »
He’s asked to do a job that is so on the edge of impossible, that if everyone else isn’t perfect he’ll look like he’s terrible
WHAT A TIME TO BE ALIVE!

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Re: Fabinho
« Reply #6449 on: October 2, 2022, 02:04:45 pm »
He was MOTM in the 4-0 win against Arsenal last November/December.

Since then he's played like he's wearing ice skates pretty much every time he turns out.

Hard to understand what's happened to him. He's gone from probably the meanest DM in the country to get past to the easiest.

We are not playing to his strengths. It was obvious what will happen this season.
IMO and based on how we played this season I think we can improve alot in three areas.

Our right side midfielder plays further up and if teams bypass our press Fabinho not the quickest to recover,  he is world class at interceptions but doesn't have the speed to cover so much space. It happened many times this season , a clear example of this is Milan home and you can bet more teams will try to exploit  our right side next season. Adding a quicker DM and moving Fabinho to the left and rotating him with Thiago I think would be great solution as it would keep them both fresh and Fabinho is a good deep playmaker too also it will give us more depth at the DM position because we will have three players who can play there.


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Re: Fabinho
« Reply #6450 on: October 2, 2022, 02:22:15 pm »
He needs dropping, he’s been poor for too long and having a go at Klopp yesterday should be the final straw. We can use Hendo at 6 which I appreciate is far from a perfect solution or we could try a 4231.

The flare up is showing that at least some in the squad is getting frustrated at klopp. Whatever is going on in there it is also klopp's failure and imability to sort things out.

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Re: Fabinho
« Reply #6451 on: October 2, 2022, 03:54:47 pm »
Fab had a bollocking.  :D



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urgen Klopp was unhappy at Fabinho during the second half and made his point forcibly towards the midfielder, who appeared to selectively choose to ignore what was being said until the message from the boss became too loud to turn a deaf ear towards. [Liverpool Echo]

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Re: Fabinho
« Reply #6452 on: October 2, 2022, 05:27:30 pm »
Fab had a bollocking.  :D



Klopp knows he fucked up not strengthening properly in the summer and therefore so do the players which is showing. Fabinho is ridiculously overworked and a lot of players are being hung out to dry by the lack of athleticism in the midfield. Whoever plays the 6 has a thankless task and Fabinho has never been the quickest.

We've just got to tough it out until January when we can do something about it in terms of signings. In the meantime we've got to find a better tactical balance. Arsenal/City probably aren't going to be the games to throw Bajcetic in or give Arthur a debut, but we're going to have to adapt the way we play to account for a substandard midfield.

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Re: Fabinho
« Reply #6453 on: October 2, 2022, 05:29:01 pm »
The flare up is showing that at least some in the squad is getting frustrated at klopp. Whatever is going on in there it is also klopp's failure and imability to sort things out.

I know this is generally frowned upon…but you really do talk an insane amount of utter shit :D
If he's being asked to head the ball too frequently - which isn't exactly his specialty - it could affect his ear and cause an infection. Especially if the ball hits him on the ear directly.

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Re: Fabinho
« Reply #6454 on: October 2, 2022, 05:49:31 pm »
The almost desperation to write players off on here is a thing to behold. We're in a situation where injuries have meant that the system we play, the system that requires a high work rate and commitment from everyone, is falling apart and making pretty much everyone look bad. I find it difficult to criticise any player right now when so many are simply being given far too much to do.

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Re: Fabinho
« Reply #6455 on: October 2, 2022, 05:51:53 pm »
The almost desperation to write players off on here is a thing to behold. We're in a situation where injuries have meant that the system we play, the system that requires a high work rate and commitment from everyone, is falling apart and making pretty much everyone look bad. I find it difficult to criticise any player right now when so many are simply being given far too much to do.

Who's unavailable right now that would help the "system"?

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Re: Fabinho
« Reply #6456 on: October 2, 2022, 05:54:21 pm »
The almost desperation to write players off on here is a thing to behold. We're in a situation where injuries have meant that the system we play, the system that requires a high work rate and commitment from everyone, is falling apart and making pretty much everyone look bad. I find it difficult to criticise any player right now when so many are simply being given far too much to do.

Which is precisely what happened in 20/21. Nobody was playing well then either, particularly in that bad run in the new year. Mo's goals pretty much carried us before Christmas.

We found a solution and got through it, but it's systemic at the moment. The players aren't enjoying being made to look bad.
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Re: Fabinho
« Reply #6457 on: October 2, 2022, 05:55:09 pm »
Look, if we have high hopes for Bajcetic as Kloppo and the staff say they have with him then put him in there. If you're good enough you're old enough.  8)

The likes of Gavi at Barca are regulars at 18 years of age.

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« Reply #6458 on: October 2, 2022, 05:59:40 pm »
Who's unavailable right now that would help the "system"?

You don't think being able to rotate in Henderson, Keita, Jones and Arthur in recent games would have made a difference? Henderson was back against Brighton but it was his first appearance after a long lay off.

We clearly need signings, but the idea that half of our squad has suddenly stopped being good enough is absurd.

Look, if we have high hopes for Bajcetic as Kloppo and the staff say they have with him then put him in there. If you're good enough you're old enough.  8)

The likes of Gavi at Barca are regulars at 18 years of age.

I'm still kind of amazed we didn't try to use Arthur against Brighton, we've seen what happens when we play Elliot in midfield and yet we just keep doing it.
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Re: Fabinho
« Reply #6459 on: October 2, 2022, 06:03:23 pm »
Look, if we have high hopes for Bajcetic as Kloppo and the staff say they have with him then put him in there. If you're good enough you're old enough.  8)

The likes of Gavi at Barca are regulars at 18 years of age.

I'd have played him by now but Arsenal and City aren't going to be the games to throw him in for a debut. May as well play him Tuesday though.
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Re: Fabinho
« Reply #6460 on: October 2, 2022, 07:49:00 pm »
He is clearly struggling physically and mentally. We should have rested him at the start of the season. However when it was mentioned, people laughed at the idea and there were a few snipe comments. He should not play against Rangers nor Arsenal.

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Re: Fabinho
« Reply #6461 on: October 2, 2022, 08:24:38 pm »
He is clearly struggling physically and mentally. We should have rested him at the start of the season. However when it was mentioned, people laughed at the idea and there were a few snipe comments. He should not play against Rangers nor Arsenal.
Agree, no part of his game is good. Such an influential position on the pitch, cant see us being worse without him.

He's always been a player that takes a while to get into his groove  after injuries, just not sure whats up at the moment.

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Re: Fabinho
« Reply #6462 on: October 2, 2022, 08:30:26 pm »
And who do we think we should drop him for?

Henderson’s not had a good season, and was a disaster playing the 6 against United. Arthur probably isn’t ready. Milner doesn’t have the athleticism.

Given our situation in midfield, I’m not sure we have the liberty to drop Fabinho and expect the alternative to be any better.

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Re: Fabinho
« Reply #6463 on: October 2, 2022, 08:30:28 pm »
Agree, no part of his game is good. Such an influential position on the pitch, cant see us being worse without him.

He's always been a player that takes a while to get into his groove  after injuries, just not sure whats up at the moment.

It's Pep's book that is to blame.

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Re: Fabinho
« Reply #6464 on: October 2, 2022, 08:34:00 pm »
And who do we think we should drop him for?

Henderson’s not had a good season, and was a disaster playing the 6 against United. Arthur probably isn’t ready. Milner doesn’t have the athleticism.

Given our situation in midfield, I’m not sure we have the liberty to drop Fabinho and expect the alternative to be any better.
Would give Arthur a game, can it be worse?

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Re: Fabinho
« Reply #6465 on: October 2, 2022, 08:34:17 pm »
It's Pep's book that is to blame.
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Re: Fabinho
« Reply #6466 on: October 2, 2022, 08:37:07 pm »
And who do we think we should drop him for?

Henderson’s not had a good season, and was a disaster playing the 6 against United. Arthur probably isn’t ready. Milner doesn’t have the athleticism.

Given our situation in midfield, I’m not sure we have the liberty to drop Fabinho and expect the alternative to be any better.

We dont really have a choice, he is playing far too badly on the ball and off it. Just put Henderson in at the 6 and get Elliott and Thiago ahead of it. If anything Fabinho is getting worse.

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Re: Fabinho
« Reply #6467 on: October 2, 2022, 08:39:38 pm »
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Crazy people are now blaming Pep's book for our poor start.

Idiots are even saying we will lose the Rangers game because of it!!

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Re: Fabinho
« Reply #6468 on: October 2, 2022, 08:44:27 pm »
I liked the flashpoint between Klopp and Rebeca's husband.

Think we need more fiery tension in the squad, bit more feistiness, not all this smiling, happy positivity we saw while we were winning things.

Let's get a little mean again.

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« Reply #6469 on: October 2, 2022, 08:49:25 pm »
Crazy people are now blaming Pep's book for our poor start.

Idiots are even saying we will lose the Rangers game because of it!!
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Re: Fabinho
« Reply #6470 on: October 2, 2022, 09:02:28 pm »
And who do we think we should drop him for?

Henderson’s not had a good season, and was a disaster playing the 6 against United. Arthur probably isn’t ready. Milner doesn’t have the athleticism.

Given our situation in midfield, I’m not sure we have the liberty to drop Fabinho and expect the alternative to be any better.

Won't happen but I'd love to see us give Bajcetic a go against Rangers. Morton got two games in the CL last year including away at Milan, albeit we were essentially qualified by that point I think whereas this is a must win game, but I struggle to think he'd be significantly worse than some of the performances the first team have been turning out. If nothing else, he can actually run, so that's a good start.

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Re: Fabinho
« Reply #6471 on: October 3, 2022, 05:33:49 am »
 
Won't happen but I'd love to see us give Bajcetic a go against Rangers. Morton got two games in the CL last year including away at Milan, albeit we were essentially qualified by that point I think whereas this is a must win game, but I struggle to think he'd be significantly worse than some of the performances the first team have been turning out. If nothing else, he can actually run, so that's a good start.

I agree- put him as the anchor with Henderson and thiago as the rest of the midfield axis and to provide the experience. As for fabinho, utilise him as right back and bench Alexander Arnold. That should firm up our formation and remove the structural deficiencies created by Alexander Arnold's free floating tendencies as well as being a better defender than alexander arnold.
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Re: Fabinho
« Reply #6472 on: October 9, 2022, 06:08:58 pm »
Should be nowhere near this team, ridiculous clearance.

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Re: Fabinho
« Reply #6473 on: October 9, 2022, 06:09:58 pm »
Needed a proper clearance. Kept the attack alive.

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« Reply #6474 on: October 9, 2022, 06:16:40 pm »
Pathetic clearance to sum up an even more pathetic sequence before it.

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Re: Fabinho
« Reply #6475 on: October 9, 2022, 06:36:18 pm »
He had ages to clear and finds an arsenal player at the edge of the box. Cant fault klopp for not playing him, been off pace all season.

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« Reply #6476 on: October 9, 2022, 06:46:38 pm »
Yeah, I was screaming at TV at that clearance (as well as at Thiago for trying to bring it down 5 seconds earlier). Our own worst enemy today and when we needed his calm, experienced head he does that.


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Re: Fabinho
« Reply #6477 on: October 9, 2022, 06:46:54 pm »
His drop off from last season has been spectacular.

I mean could be said of a lot of players, but his has been special.

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Re: Fabinho
« Reply #6478 on: October 9, 2022, 07:06:40 pm »
Say what you will about Mo, Van Dijk, TAA and Robertson. What has happened to this lad is just inexplicable. Calling him a shadow of his former self is an insult to shadows.

Genuinely might be the worst player in the league so far this season.

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Re: Fabinho
« Reply #6479 on: October 9, 2022, 07:16:51 pm »
Say what you will about Mo, Van Dijk, TAA and Robertson. What has happened to this lad is just inexplicable. Calling him a shadow of his former self is an insult to shadows.

Genuinely might be the worst player in the league so far this season.
Agree, the game is just passing him by