Topic: Grenfell Tower Fire

[A-Bomb]

Arconic ordered staff not to share details of combustible cladding, Grenfell inquiry hears.
https://www.building.co.uk/news/arconic-ordered-staff-not-to-share-details-of-combustible-cladding-grenfell-inquiry-hears/5110313.article

I manage a sales team, and that is frankly outrageous - I hope they are prosecuted for that deliberately misleading information.

[Brissyred]

In Parliament, the Conservatives just voted down putting Grenfell Inquiry recommendations into law....

[Commie Bobbie]

In Parliament, the Conservatives just voted down putting Grenfell Inquiry recommendations into law....

Wouldn't expect anything else from those bastards.

[Red-Soldier]

In Parliament, the Conservatives just voted down putting Grenfell Inquiry recommendations into law....

Massive shock there!

I believe some of the head guys at Arconic are Tory donors.

Not to mention all their other buddies in the construction industry.

[Nobby Reserve]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-56491991

 

These corrupt Tory scum are shameless.

Millionaire/billionaire property developers - many of whom are Tory Party donors - sacrifice fire safety to greedily maximise their profits, using unsuitable (cheap) materials. They should be held to account.

Instead, the poor buggers conned into buying property in unsafe buildings now have to find the tens of thousands to put it right.

There is no end to the corrupt shithousery of these shysters.

[Nobby Reserve]

And now the lying corrupt piece of mouldering turd comes out with this nugget today:


Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
@BorisJohnson
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8h

United Kingdom government official
Today we remember the 72 lives lost in the Grenfell tragedy four years ago. My thoughts are with the survivors, the bereaved and the wider community affected by this devastating fire.

This government is committed to ensuring this never happens again.

https://twitter.com/BorisJohnson/status/1404340303046316035


Given this corrupt government has refused to put the cost onto the greedy scumbags who've profited by £millions through using cheap, unsafe cladding, him saying that is an insult to the tens of thousands of people who, through no fault of their own, are facing massive bills to put right the deadly fuck-up caused by the unadulterated greed of building companies and property management parasites.

[Crosby Nick]

Four years, that’s gone by so quickly. You sense there will be another cover up and no one ever truly being held accountable, although hopefully not.

RIP.

[24/7]

Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson
@BorisJohnson
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8h

I'm a two-faced, hypocritical cockwomble who'll say anything to get a few votes.

Fuck off, knobheaded scarecrow. If you genuinely gave a shite you'd already have passed the Hillsborough Law which would created more a level playing field for the friends and families of the Grenfell 72. c*nt.

Justice for Grenfell. Justice for all.

[Commie Bobbie]

Four Years and Still No Accountability.

Justice For Grenfell.

[Red-Soldier]

Four Years and Still No Accountability.

Justice For Grenfell.

I wouldn't bank on there being any at all.

It'll go the same way as Hillsborough.

[Commie Bobbie]

I wouldn't bank on there being any at all.

It'll go the same way as Hillsborough.

Didn't want to go there - but yep - absolutely certain that.

[Jon2lfc]

In Parliament, the Conservatives just voted down putting Grenfell Inquiry recommendations into law....

Playing devil's advocate here, but why would an MP vote it down UNLESS they had been lobbied to by a party donor.. ?

[Nobby Reserve]

Playing devil's advocate here, but why would an MP vote it down UNLESS they had been lobbied to by a party donor.. ?

Because they themselves, as landlords, have a financial interest in the recommendations not going into law?

This government is corrupt.

We've had previous Tory governments that I've despised, but this one is out and out corrupt in almost all their dealings - and so brazen about it, too.

[Jon2lfc]

Because they themselves, as landlords, have a financial interest in the recommendations not going into law?

This government is corrupt.

We've had previous Tory governments that I've despised, but this one is out and out corrupt in almost all their dealings - and so brazen about it, too.

Yeah, it's probably one of the modern Conservatives most salient 'policies' and one of the biggest reasons not to vote for them.

Any government who are not seeking to protect their citizens are fundamentally failing in their core responsibility. Simple as that.

RIP Grenfell Victims.

[bigbonedrawky]

Cladding related fire in Milan today luckily no casualties, what's the betting it's the same sh*t as Grenfell ?

[WhereAngelsPlay]

I've stopped reading most articles about this now as they were just putting me in a mood that was hard to shake,this one is going to take a few puffs to get over.

Cladding: Panels failed fire tests 13 years before Grenfell



Leaked test results suggest the government and construction industry had early evidence of the dangers posed by cladding, 13 years before the Grenfell Tower fire.

Panels, commonly used on buildings in the UK, failed fire tests carried out in 2004.

The results, marked "Commercial in confidence", were circulated within an industry advisory group.

They were recently passed to the BBC and, until now, never made public.

Hundreds of thousands of flat owners are now threatened with large bills because of construction materials which pose a risk in fires.

The 2004 results were among the first from a British test of full-scale building systems, developed in the late 1990s when there were growing concerns in Parliament about the risks of cladding.

The tests were part of research commissioned by the then Labour government to determine what standards building systems should have to meet.

Five cladding systems were tested, including one with aluminium panels, although the primary aim was not to assess the risk of particular designs

The aluminium and plastic cladding at Grenfell has been blamed for spreading the fire.

Two were constructed from high pressure laminate (HPL) boards, formed from wood, or paper fibre, widely used on modern apartment blocks in the UK.

In the tests, all five cladding systems were judged to have failed against "proposed performance criteria".

Most of the tests were carried out without using "fire breaks" - extra components which should be fitted to block the spread of flames.

However, fire breaks were used in one high pressure laminate panel system, but it still failed.

'I might be bankrupt'

It has HPL panels, as well as wooden balconies and missing fire breaks,

Zoe finds it "disgusting" that the test results were not circulated more widely.

The couple are anticipating a bill of tens of thousands of pounds to remove the dangerous materials, which could bankrupt them.

"There's no finish line, and it's all-consuming at times," Zoe says.

"We are very angry that we've been put in this situation.

"We've done everything right. Everything by the book: 'Buy a property and set yourself up for the future.'

"I might end up bankrupt by the time I'm in my 30s."

Her building is lower than 18 metres, so does not qualify for government funding.

The UK Cladding Action Group called the test results "staggering new evidence which shows the government and its advisers knew these materials were dangerous, but simply stood back and allowed them to be installed on hundreds of thousands of buildings.

"The British state knew from this moment on that it was gambling with a disaster in a high-rise, but it chose not to act."

'Route to disaster'

Jonathan Evans, director of Ash and Lacy, a major UK supplier of cladding systems, said he had never seen the results, and described them as "really vital bits of information" which would have helped assess fire risks after Grenfell.

He said that when poor test data is not made public, it creates a bias towards tests with successful outcomes.

"We all proceed along the route of thinking these systems are safer than they are, until there's a disaster."

He said a lack of public information about cladding systems in the 2000s may have resulted in governments not abandoning a controversial British standard for building materials, known as Class 0.

The Grenfell Tower inquiry has heard evidence that this standard was much easier to meet than a stricter European classification, and that keeping it as an option in England and Wales allowed combustible materials to be installed on thousands of buildings.

If Class 0 had been abandoned and a ban on combustible materials introduced, Grenfell might not have happened, Dr Evans said.

Tests 'experimental'

The Ministry of Housing, Communities and Local Government (MHCLG) described the 2004 tests as "experimental... for a different purpose" than the rounds of testing ordered in the wake of the Grenfell disaster.

They were carried out to "to check the criteria for testing" rather than to assess the "intrinsic safety of building materials", officials said.

The findings fed into a review of technical standards used by building designers to assess the safety of cladding.

An MHCLG spokesman said: "We are taking action to improve building safety where successive governments have failed, through our Building Safety Bill, which marks the biggest improvements to building safety in 40 years, with more rights and protections for residents and a £5bn investment to remove unsafe cladding.

"The new Building Safety Regulator will enforce a more stringent regulatory regime for buildings over 18m and oversee the safety and performance of all buildings, ensuring products are removed from the market if they do not meet regulation."

The Building Research Establishment, which carried out the tests and circulated them to the industry advisory group, refused to comment.

Next month the Grenfell Tower public inquiry will begin examining evidence of what governments knew about the risks of cladding fires before the 2017 disaster, and what they did about it.

They are full of shit,just a shame that our dwellings didn't require the same level of safety as our food processing factories and bakeries,that is in the eyes of our Gov and the wankers who bought policy.

[petecolonia]

https://youtu.be/ztUamrChczQ


Prayers with those affects, the can't get away with this surely.

[Nobby Reserve]

I've stopped reading most articles about this now as they were just putting me in a mood that was hard to shake,this one is going to take a few puffs to get over.



They are full of shit,just a shame that our dwellings didn't require the same level of safety as our food processing factories and bakeries,that is in the eyes of our Gov and the wankers who bought policy.

It makes me angry beyond belief.

Both Labour (then) and the Tories far too cosy with the housebuilding/property developing industry.

It's an abomination that Labour sit on their arse for 6 years, not pushing through legislation to change the building laws in order to force developers to use properly fireproof cladding.

They're as culpable as the Tory scum.

[Red-Soldier]

It makes me angry beyond belief.

Both Labour (then) and the Tories far too cosy with the housebuilding/property developing industry.

It's an abomination that Labour sit on their arse for 6 years, not pushing through legislation to change the building laws in order to force developers to use properly fireproof cladding.

They're as culpable as the Tory scum.

Both with blood on their hands here.

[Jshooters]

What a piece of shit

https://www.theguardian.com/news/2022/feb/11/woman-who-posted-antisemitic-conspiracies-about-grenfell-fire-jailed?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

[So… Howard Philips]

What a piece of shit

https://www.theguardian.com/news/2022/feb/11/woman-who-posted-antisemitic-conspiracies-about-grenfell-fire-jailed?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

Amazing how a tragedy brings out the worst in some people.

[oojason]

'‘Every death was avoidable’: Grenfell Tower inquiry closes after 400 days':-

While the government apologised, the counsel attacked companies for a ‘merry-go-round of buck-passing’

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/nov/10/every-death-was-avoidable-grenfell-tower-inquiry-closes-after-400-days



'Grenfell Tower fire: Firms slammed for blaming each other':-

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-63585239



'Grenfell fire: focus shifts to possible criminal convictions as inquiry ends':-

Criminal trials may not start before 2025 and government pledges have not yet been delivered

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/nov/10/grenfell-fire-focus-shifts-to-possible-criminal-convictions-as-inquiry-ends

[Brissyred]

Up to a dozen firefighters who saved lives at the Grenfell Tower have been diagnosed with cancers; the majority of which are understood to be digestive cancers and leukaemia, for which there is no cure

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/multiple-firefighters-who-saved-lives-28941465?utm_source=twitter.com&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=sharebar

[John C]

Up to a dozen firefighters who saved lives at the Grenfell Tower have been diagnosed with cancers; the majority of which are understood to be digestive cancers and leukaemia, for which there is no cure

That's heart-breaking news, absolutely awful for them.

[Snail]

Sorry mate but no one comes out of this well. If everyone know about this iossue (and Corbyn is backed by the FBU), why did the Labour manifesto have nothing about it? Free university tuition and free school meals were the priority.

A real high point for RAWK's moderators.

[Snail]

<a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ocItl6uULcg" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" class="bbc_link bbc_flash_disabled new_win">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ocItl6uULcg</a>

[Alan_X]

A real high point for RAWK's moderators.

What’s your point Sian? It seems like a straightforward comment.  Unless I’m mistaken and Labour had fire safety as a key manifesto pledge, then, as I said seven years ago, no one comes out of it well.

And just to be clear. Those are my personal views, not the views of the RAWK moderation team.