Topic: 21/22 Goals and assists

[Phil M]

Over the past 4 seasons Firmino has scored 42 goals in 117 league starts for Liverpool/Hoffenheim.

For a player who wasn't utilised as an out and out striker or central forward for I would say the majority of those games that's still quite an impressive return, with room for improvement.

[Cpt_Reina]

Over the past 4 seasons Firmino has scored 42 goals in 117 league starts for Liverpool/Hoffenheim.

For a player who wasn't utilised as an out and out striker or central forward for I would say the majority of those games that's still quite an impressive return, with room for improvement.

Id say if he's able to put up such numbers not playing CF then theres no need to play him as a CF.

[Phil M]

Id say if he's able to put up such numbers not playing CF then theres no need to play him as a CF.

I would be fairly sure JK doesn't see him as a long term starter as a '9' but in our current system he is the most suitable player in terms of his fitness, workrate and pressing ability. Whereas Origi is still raw, Sturridge is injury ravaged and doesn't have the same counter pressing or tactical nous despite being our most natural goalscorer. I hope and expect we will will start next season with additions in the golscoring department.

[Cpt_Reina]

I would be fairly sure JK doesn't see him as a long term starter as a '9' but in our current system he is the most suitable player in terms of his fitness, workrate and pressing ability. Whereas Origi is still raw, Sturridge is injury ravaged and doesn't have the same counter pressing or tactical nous despite being our most natural goalscorer. I hope and expect we will will start next season with additions in the golscoring department.

I very much hope this is the case too, Firmino definitely best placed to do that job for us now but hopefully Jurgen has something/someone else in his sights.

[deFacto please, you bastards]

Mane - 13
Firmino - 10
Coutinho - 8
Origi - 8
Lallana - 7
Milner - 7
Sturridge - 6
Gini - 5
Emre - 4
Lovren - 2



Will be interesting to see how many of our players end up with double digits at the end of the season. It's been a while since that has happened with more than two players in a season.

[killer-heels]

Mane - 13
Firmino - 10
Coutinho - 8
Origi - 8
Lallana - 7
Milner - 7
Sturridge - 6
Gini - 5
Emre - 4
Lovren - 2



Will be interesting to see how many of our players end up with double digits at the end of the season. It's been a while since that has happened with more than two players in a season.

Hopefully Firmino and Coutinho get a few. Our front three works well but we need Firmino and even Coutinho getting close to about 15 goals.

[deFacto please, you bastards]

Mane - 13
Firmino - 10
Coutinho - 9
Origi - 9
Lallana - 7
Milner - 7
Sturridge - 6
Gini - 5
Emre - 4
Lovren - 2

[deFacto please, you bastards]

Mane - 13
Firmino - 11
Coutinho - 10
Origi - 9
Lallana - 7
Milner - 7
Sturridge - 6
Gini - 5
Emre - 4
Lovren - 2

Phil has now scored more goals than any other Brazilian in league history

[Suareznumber7]

Mane - 13
Firmino - 11
Coutinho - 10
Origi - 9
Lallana - 7
Milner - 7
Sturridge - 6
Gini - 5
Emre - 4
Lovren - 2

Phil has now scored more goals than any other Brazilian in league history

Mane would be that 15-20 goal scorer everyone has been saying we need in the Firmino thread if he hadn't missed the full month of January and now our final 8 games.  As it is, Firmino and/or Coutinho can reach that magical number 15 before the end of the season. 

[SerbianScouser]

PL goals per minute ratio :

Mane             -  173
Coutinho        -  198
Firmino           - 263

Phil is killing it even with a dry spell and is maintaining his 1 in 2 ratio since Klopp took over. Very impressive.

[Schmidt]

I very much hope this is the case too, Firmino definitely best placed to do that job for us now but hopefully Jurgen has something/someone else in his sights.

I'm not so sure, Firmino scores at a really good rate when he's up top, he presses really effectively and he links up brilliantly with our other attackers. His biggest dry spells have all come when he's been moved out wide when Coutinho/Mane have been absent, which has happened far too often because of a lack of squad depth in those areas. Considering how robust he's been for us I think he could hit 20 goals next season playing as our main forward, while still contributing plenty to our overall team play which is something a lot of strikers don't offer.

[JoeCole]

I was hoping Firmino would be closer to 20 goals this season. He got 10 in the league last year despite mostly being ineffective until the second half of the season, so with a full season of leading the line I was hoping for a little more. Hopefully he can still reach 15.

[Mighty_Red]

Mane - 13
Firmino - 11
Coutinho - 10
Origi - 9
Lallana - 7
Milner - 7
Sturridge - 6
Gini - 5
Emre - 4
Lovren - 2

Phil has now scored more goals than any other Brazilian in league history

They showed the top 10 Brazilians on the BBC today. Being honest, I suppose that Costa should really have that title even if he now plays for Spain!

It actually feels like Coutinho as scored more than he actually has this season. Not sure I know why, maybe its because he has scored a lot of key goals for us. Just a shame he has lost over 2 months because of injury and form. Think he should aim to get double that next season if he avoids injury.

[Mighty_Red]

Also where can we find the all competition stats from? The offy seems to have the Opta stats which only relate to prem games.

[LallanaInPyjamas]

I'm not so sure, Firmino scores at a really good rate when he's up top, he presses really effectively and he links up brilliantly with our other attackers. His biggest dry spells have all come when he's been moved out wide when Coutinho/Mane have been absent, which has happened far too often because of a lack of squad depth in those areas. Considering how robust he's been for us I think he could hit 20 goals next season playing as our main forward, while still contributing plenty to our overall team play which is something a lot of strikers don't offer.

3 goals in 8 from the left and 0 in 2 from the right (where I would agree with you he is far less effective).

I definitely think it's better for both him and us that he mostly plays through the middle, but he's around 1 in 3 from wide areas just like he's around 1 in 3 from central areas, so this idea that if he played through the middle all season he'd score 20 league goals is optimistic imo.

[Schmidt]

3 goals in 8 from the left and 0 in 2 from the right (where I would agree with you he is far less effective).

I definitely think it's better for both him and us that he mostly plays through the middle, but he's around 1 in 3 from wide areas just like he's around 1 in 3 from central areas, so this idea that if he played through the middle all season he'd score 20 league goals is optimistic imo.

Could just be that I remember him scoring a lot more centrally then, mainly in those first few months of the season when everyone was fit, he was 5 in 12 in the league before Coutinho got injured I think. I do think the team as a whole scores more with him up top though, provided we have some pace out wide to make up for his lack of it somewhat. Instead of looking to replace him with a player who scores more centrally I'd rather we brought in more players who compliment him and Coutinho/Mane.

Also where can we find the all competition stats from? The offy seems to have the Opta stats which only relate to prem games.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/teams/liverpool/top-scorers

[Suareznumber7]

I was hoping Firmino would be closer to 20 goals this season. He got 10 in the league last year despite mostly being ineffective until the second half of the season, so with a full season of leading the line I was hoping for a little more. Hopefully he can still reach 15.

He hasn't "led the line" for the entire season though.  He played in a wide position for well over a month in the busiest part of the season.  If he had played as the #9 the entire season then I bet he would have upwards of 15 goals already. 

[Mighty_Red]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/teams/liverpool/top-scorers

Thanks for that, I did look on the BBC first but looks like they have removed the link from the Liverpool home page, just lots of articles/videos and links fixtures & results.

Could just be that I remember him scoring a lot more centrally then, mainly in those first few months of the season when everyone was fit, he was 5 in 12 in the league before Coutinho got injured I think. I do think the team as a whole scores more with him up top though, provided we have some pace out wide to make up for his lack of it somewhat. Instead of looking to replace him with a player who scores more centrally I'd rather we brought in more players who compliment him and Coutinho/Mane.

I think our first preference would be to "upgrade" on our first team players. Out of the front 3 I would say that Firmino is at most risk compared to Coutinho & Mane. If we can find a striker who can offer the the same things as Firmino (movement, link up play etc) as well as pace and better finishing, then why wouldn't we go for someone like that? That's not a slight on Firmino because he would still very much be part of the team. It does seem that he is at his best when Coutinho is in the team (who wouldn't be?) but then it means that losing Coutinho to poor form/injury loses Firmino to an extent as well.

If we can't then obviously the next option will be a pacy forward who can come in for any of the front 3. We may need two if we think that Ings will struggle to come back.

[MobileBayRed]

Thanks for that, I did look on the BBC first but looks like they have removed the link from the Liverpool home page, just lots of articles/videos and links fixtures & results.
I think our first preference would be to "upgrade" on our first team players. Out of the front 3 I would say that Firmino is at most risk compared to Coutinho & Mane. If we can find a striker who can offer the the same things as Firmino (movement, link up play etc) as well as pace and better finishing, then why wouldn't we go for someone like that? That's not a slight on Firmino because he would still very much be part of the team. It does seem that he is at his best when Coutinho is in the team (who wouldn't be?) but then it means that losing Coutinho to poor form/injury loses Firmino to an extent as well.

If we can't then obviously the next option will be a pacy forward who can come in for any of the front 3. We may need two if we think that Ings will struggle to come back.

That's the interesting thing for me, and I agree with you, I think this would be preferred.  Right now it seems that when we have to replace any of the front three, our back-up choices don't necessarily fit with the others.  I would think a Firmino2.0 would be preferred over a more traditional striker option.  But we shall see.

[JoeCole]

He hasn't "led the line" for the entire season though.  He played in a wide position for well over a month in the busiest part of the season.  If he had played as the #9 the entire season then I bet he would have upwards of 15 goals already.

Eh, take the season as the whole and he has been our most prominent "striker". The odd game here and there out wide doesn't make THAT much difference. Sturridge and Origi would be getting complained about if they played 30+ games and started 80% of them leading the line, and only had 10 goals. Don't get me wrong, I love Firmino, he's one of my favourite players in the current squad, but you're not winning a title if your main striker is only just surpassing 10 league goals throughout a campaign. (Hopefully he puts another 10 in between now and the end of May to shut me up!)

[phil236849]

Am I the only one who picked up on the Kloppo quote of Bobby being able to play in midfield?

Imagine, banana and Bobby being Phil, Sadie and mr X factor

Not Simon cowell...

[Keita Success]

Looking at goals is kind of superficial in the case of Firmino. I reckon looking at assists, tackles, etc would be more interesting. Reckon Bobby has been involved with 20 PL goals this season

[rubber soul]

Eh, take the season as the whole and he has been our most prominent "striker". The odd game here and there out wide doesn't make THAT much difference. Sturridge and Origi would be getting complained about if they played 30+ games and started 80% of them leading the line, and only had 10 goals. Don't get me wrong, I love Firmino, he's one of my favourite players in the current squad, but you're not winning a title if your main striker is only just surpassing 10 league goals throughout a campaign. (Hopefully he puts another 10 in between now and the end of May to shut me up!)

As a team we have scored more goals than the team who are going to win the league. Is it essential that one player scores a certain percentage of the goals as long as the goals are scored? It's interesting how a thread which was started to praise the fact that we had players all over the park contributing goals seems to have become a debate on whether the "main striker" for the leagues top scoring team scores enough.

[Anfield89]

Eh, take the season as the whole and he has been our most prominent "striker". The odd game here and there out wide doesn't make THAT much difference. Sturridge and Origi would be getting complained about if they played 30+ games and started 80% of them leading the line, and only had 10 goals. Don't get me wrong, I love Firmino, he's one of my favourite players in the current squad, but you're not winning a title if your main striker is only just surpassing 10 league goals throughout a campaign. (Hopefully he puts another 10 in between now and the end of May to shut me up!)

http://www.redandwhitekop.com/forum/index.php?topic=330352.240

[deFacto please, you bastards]

Mane - 13
Firmino - 12
Coutinho - 10
Origi - 9
Lallana - 7
Milner - 7
Sturridge - 6
Gini - 5
Emre - 4
Lovren - 2



I think it's reasonable to think that Bobby can get at least 15 goals, with 5 games remaining, shame Mane is out, he too could have had 15 at a bare minimum.

[deFacto please, you bastards]

Mane - 13
Firmino - 12
Coutinho - 11
Origi - 9
Lallana - 7
Milner - 7
Sturridge - 6
Gini - 5
Emre - 5
Lovren - 2



Excellent return from all of our midfielders [bar Hendo].

[deFacto please, you bastards]

Coutinho - 14
Mane - 13
Firmino - 12
Origi - 10
Lallana - 7
Milner - 7
Sturridge - 7
Gini - 5
Emre - 5
Lovren - 2



Despite not having the best of seasons Divock has gotten 10 goals, there is still potential in this lad.

Phil more than likely ends the season as our top goal-scorer.

[deFacto please, you bastards]

So we end the season with Phil as the top goal-scorer but also goals spread out more than ever before [that I can remember at least]


Coutinho - 14 [8 assists]
Mane - 13 [5 assists]
Firmino - 12 [8 assists]
Origi - 11 [3 assists]
Lallana - 8 [7 assists]
Milner - 7 [3 assissts]
Sturridge - 7 [1 assist]
Gini - 6 [9 assists]
Emre - 5 [2 assists]

[vallapureddy]

Mane would have touched 20 if he didn't miss the games..

[Hazell]

So we end the season with Phil as the top goal-scorer but also goals spread out more than ever before [that I can remember at least]


Coutinho - 14 [8 assists]
Mane - 13 [5 assists]
Firmino - 12 [8 assists]
Origi - 11 [3 assists]
Lallana - 8 [7 assists]
Milner - 7 [3 assissts]
Sturridge - 7 [1 assist]
Gini - 6 [9 assists]
Emre - 5 [2 assists]

Yep, I can't recall another season like that for us? Having three attacking midfielders/forward and not having a number 9 up front like Sturridge has been a big reason for the spread of goals. I don't think that's going to change too much unless we get an extremely special player this summer.

[deFacto please, you bastards]

Yep, I can't recall another season like that for us? Having three attacking midfielders/forward and not having a number 9 up front like Sturridge has been a big reason for the spread of goals. I don't think that's going to change too much unless we get an extremely special player this summer.

And also all of our midfielders scoring a cosidereble amount of goals [19 to be exact between Gini,Lallana and Can alone]. A player like Salah would improve us even more, without having to rely on a pure number 9.

[Sarge]

So we end the season with Phil as the top goal-scorer but also goals spread out more than ever before [that I can remember at least]


Coutinho - 14 [8 assists]
Mane - 13 [5 assists]
Firmino - 12 [8 assists]
Origi - 11 [3 assists]
Lallana - 8 [7 assists]
Milner - 7 [3 assissts]
Sturridge - 7 [1 assist]
Gini - 6 [9 assists]
Emre - 5 [2 assists]

Imagine an out and out cf in that.

[Hazell]

And also all of our midfielders scoring a cosidereble amount of goals [19 to be exact between Gini,Lallana and Can alone]. A player like Salah would improve us even more, without having to rely on a pure number 9.

Yep, don't want to turn this into a transfer thread but we'll likely be going similar players to what we already have, both in terms of attributes and quality. I'd expect those figures to be similarly spread out next season to.

[Gnurglan]

So we scored 78 goals in total. We conceded 42.

78 is good. We won't need to score a lot more than that to challenge for the title. We're better off fixing the defence. That said, I'd still like to have a player who gets around 20 league goals. Chelsea, Tottenham and City have that.

[deFacto please, you bastards]

And also all of our midfielders scoring a cosidereble amount of goals [19 to be exact between Gini,Lallana and Can alone]. A player like Salah would improve us even more, without having to rely on a pure number 9.

*cough* I was right about Salah, *cough* 

The stats for this season [in all competitions] thus far. [have not included any of the players who have scored just one goal]

Note: Considering the games Coutinho and Mane have missed thus far, their productivity is really good
Firmino is only one goal behind what he did all of last year, and only 3 assists behind what he ended up at the end of the season

Salah - 17 goals [4 assists]
Firmino - 11 goals [5 assists]
Coutinho - 6 goals [6 assists]
Mane - 5 goals [4 assists]
Can - 4 goals [2 assists]
Sturridge - 3 goals [2 assists]
TAA - 2 goals [1 assist]
Chamberlain - 2 goals [1 assist]

[PhaseOfPlay]

*cough* I was right about Salah, *cough* 

The stats for this season [in all competitions] thus far. [have not included any of the players who have scored just one goal]

Note: Considering the games Coutinho and Mane have missed thus far, their productivity is really good
Firmino is only one goal behind what he did all of last year, and only 3 assists behind what he ended up at the end of the season

Salah - 17 goals [4 assists]
Firmino - 11 goals [5 assists]
Coutinho - 6 goals [6 assists]
Mane - 5 goals [4 assists]
Can - 4 goals [2 assists]
Sturridge - 3 goals [2 assists]
TAA - 2 goals [1 assist]
Chamberlain - 2 goals [1 assist]

In terms of impact per 90 minutes, Mane and Salah are basically doing a Sturridge and Suarez, with Firmino doing a Sterling and Coutinho being Coutinho. We could push ourselves into contention if the Manc clubs slip up, as long as we keep that production going in the front three. But we desperately need one of our defenders to start popping up with goals soon.

[deFacto please, you bastards]

In terms of impact per 90 minutes, Mane and Salah are basically doing a Sturridge and Suarez, with Firmino doing a Sterling and Coutinho being Coutinho. We could push ourselves into contention if the Manc clubs slip up, as long as we keep that production going in the front three. But we desperately need one of our defenders to start popping up with goals soon.

And our defenders to improve defensively  , but yes that's one area where we haven't seen much of productivity [from our defenders].

I believe Matip has scored one goal. Trent certainly has the ability to contribute more in that area.

Outside of that, there's also Lallana who will contribute once he's fit from midfield, and I imagine that Chamberlain will do a bit more [and more than he did for Arsenal, gut feeling]

[theredyank]

In terms of impact per 90 minutes, Mane and Salah are basically doing a Sturridge and Suarez, with Firmino doing a Sterling and Coutinho being Coutinho. We could push ourselves into contention if the Manc clubs slip up, as long as we keep that production going in the front three. But we desperately need one of our defenders to start popping up with goals soon.

That's a good point. Johnson and Skrtel's goals were really important that season.

[deFacto please, you bastards]

That's a good point. Johnson and Skrtel's goals were really important that season.

I don't recall Johnson scoring goals that year.

[LifeOfARed]

That's a good point. Johnson and Skrtel's goals were really important that season.

As well as replace Gerrard's penalties. We dont have a consistent pk taker this season