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Re: Breakaway Super League... The Times
« Reply #480 on: April 18, 2021, 06:48:55 pm »
I don't care about refereeing mistakes, it's when they all go against you.

It's a shit idea, but Henry in charge is further cause for us to be fucked over even more now domestically. Enjoy watching us fucked over every week.

So if we go by that Real Madrid, Juventus, Macs will also be fucked over evrey week?

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Re: Breakaway Super League... The Times
« Reply #481 on: April 18, 2021, 06:49:19 pm »
Just to be sure...

This is a proposal to replace UEFA’s CL competition, right? And not a suggestion to replace the domestic league.

It is yeah although uefa have said that they have assurances from domestic leagues that they’ll ban any team entering it from competing domestically.

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Re: Breakaway Super League... The Times
« Reply #482 on: April 18, 2021, 06:49:22 pm »
Just to be sure...

This is a proposal to replace UEFA’s CL competition, right? And not a suggestion to replace the domestic league.

Yes. But the PL is saying you can't play in the domestic league and the new league
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Re: Breakaway Super League... The Times
« Reply #483 on: April 18, 2021, 06:49:33 pm »
Just to be sure...

This is a proposal to replace UEFA’s CL competition, right? And not a suggestion to replace the domestic league.

Yeah but UEFA and all the leagues have said you have to break away if you want this.

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Re: Breakaway Super League... The Times
« Reply #484 on: April 18, 2021, 06:49:49 pm »
The point is that this league will be the highest level of football week in, week out and exclusive to the best players. Why wouldn’t I want to see that as a fan?

Can see why some are reluctant to move away from the traditional model but in any sport the most enjoyment is generally obtained from watching the best vs the best. This just enables that more often rather than watching the war of attrition we see in 80% of PL games. Let’s be honest - the PL is on its knees as for entertainment value. I don’t see the need for outrage.

I don't support this Super League crap but the PL has destroyed itself already. You can't even celebrate a goal anymore.
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Re: Breakaway Super League... The Times
« Reply #485 on: April 18, 2021, 06:49:51 pm »
The point is that this league will be the highest level of football week in, week out and exclusive to the best players. Why wouldn’t I want to see that as a fan?

Can see why some are reluctant to move away from the traditional model but in any sport the most enjoyment is generally obtained from watching the best vs the best. This just enables that more often rather than watching the war of attrition we see in 80% of PL games. Let’s be honest - the PL is on its knees as for entertainment value. I don’t see the need for outrage.

We see the best in UCL.

UEFA have already stated that no clubs from this "league" would not be allowed to enter UCL or UEL, so instead of "the best vs the best", you end up (not) watching the highest paid players, playing at least 4 matches a year against each team, with basically no away fans (who can afford to travel to Europe for every second match in the season?

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Re: Breakaway Super League... The Times
« Reply #486 on: April 18, 2021, 06:49:51 pm »
Just to be sure...

This is a proposal to replace UEFA’s CL competition, right? And not a suggestion to replace the domestic league.

It will end up as a stand alone league, whether that is from the outset, or in time. Inevitable.
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Re: Breakaway Super League... The Times
« Reply #487 on: April 18, 2021, 06:49:53 pm »
Just to be sure...

This is a proposal to replace UEFA’s CL competition, right? And not a suggestion to replace the domestic league.
Correct.  Hence the threat to ban them from domestic competition if they go through with it.
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Re: Breakaway Super League... The Times
« Reply #488 on: April 18, 2021, 06:50:01 pm »
Yes. But the PL is saying you can't play in the domestic league and the new league

I mean sure, they’re threatening that.

But will they really want a domestic league without the 6 biggest clubs in it? I highly doubt it.

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Re: Breakaway Super League... The Times
« Reply #489 on: April 18, 2021, 06:50:25 pm »
It is yeah although uefa have said that they have assurances from domestic leagues that they’ll ban any team entering it from competing domestically.

Which isn't going to happen.
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Re: Breakaway Super League... The Times
« Reply #490 on: April 18, 2021, 06:51:14 pm »
I don't care about refereeing mistakes, it's when they all go against you.

It's a shit idea, but Henry in charge is further cause for us to be fucked over even more now domestically. Enjoy watching us fucked over every week.

Do you genuinely think that refereeing decisions go against us because of some anti-Liverpool bias?  ;D

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Re: Breakaway Super League... The Times
« Reply #491 on: April 18, 2021, 06:51:17 pm »
I mean sure, they’re threatening that.

But will they really want a domestic league without the 6 biggest clubs in it? I highly doubt it.

Eventually there will be no domestic leagues.

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Re: Breakaway Super League... The Times
« Reply #492 on: April 18, 2021, 06:51:17 pm »
Every game I watch softens my stance on the European super league, something needs to change in English (and European) football as its rotten to the core.
Obviously the Super league isn't the answer, but I have no idea what is. Hopefully the talk of a super league will scare Uefa and the Premier league/FA into doing something, but I somehow doubt it.
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Re: Breakaway Super League... The Times
« Reply #493 on: April 18, 2021, 06:51:21 pm »
If 90+% of games are still played at home grounds - as is the case in NFL or any sport that adopts this approach, why is this bad?

You honestly think that would stick?

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Re: Breakaway Super League... The Times
« Reply #494 on: April 18, 2021, 06:51:21 pm »
How can the PL ban the club's planning on taking part in this, I thought any changes to the makeup of the league had to have a vote by the club's themselves with a minimum 14 in favour.

Why would club's vote to cut off their supply of millions of pounds of funding?
The PL must formally abide by rules defined by the FA, which has full veto power (but of course, the PL holds most of the actual power); the FA must abide by rules defined by UEFA (which etc etc to FIFA).
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Re: Breakaway Super League... The Times
« Reply #495 on: April 18, 2021, 06:51:54 pm »
When UEFA lost the fight against Man C, and they showed that FFP is nothing woth, this is the answer. Now one league with one set of rules that everyone has to obey. I think salary cap - as we know it from NFL, will be one of the rules in the new league.

Iam not happy about this, however, a european superleague has been in the cards for years.
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Re: Breakaway Super League... The Times
« Reply #496 on: April 18, 2021, 06:52:12 pm »
I mean sure, they’re threatening that.

But will they really want a domestic league without the 6 biggest clubs in it? I highly doubt it.

Project Big Picture was a bigger defining moment in the future of this league than people thought. Perhaps, if the bigger clubs had gotten their way, we wouldn't be having this debate now.
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Re: Breakaway Super League... The Times
« Reply #497 on: April 18, 2021, 06:52:34 pm »
Football has always been about greed. The original Football clubs, were English Public Schools that would dominate the sport. Before professionalization of the sport, they had the resources, and their players didn't have to work full time so they could dedicate themselves to beating us "working class" clubs. Then the owners of northern clubs, would relocate amateur footballers to their local factories so they could play for their clubs. The sport got popular with the masses, and with the extra revenue they could continue to attract the best talent ,and before you know the modern English game was born and the old public school teams were no more.

People moan about new money flooding into the game, you could argue its always been some sort of closed shop. Liverpool is a massive club, and we have had major advantages over other club due to being based in international footballing city compared to others in the UK. The likes of hedge funds, sovereign wealth funds, billionaires shouldn't have been let lose on the sport, but like everything else in this country we don't have the imagination or political will to do anything.

Football is one of the few things we have common with each other, from inner cities to old pit towns, older generations mixing with youth, different political leanings. It brings people together, people proud to support their local club/ area. I'd love to see us reform the sport for the majority, but there is more chance me winning on next Fridays Euromillions. You are just left "meh". "Oh Dear" as Adam Curtis would say.

Football does need changing, the current model is fucked, but this is change in the wrong direction. Hopefully, fans of all background rally against this.
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Re: Breakaway Super League... The Times
« Reply #498 on: April 18, 2021, 06:52:41 pm »
This one should be called Project Bigly Picture.

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Re: Breakaway Super League... The Times
« Reply #499 on: April 18, 2021, 06:52:41 pm »
You honestly think that would stick?

Of course it wouldn't.

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« Reply #500 on: April 18, 2021, 06:52:50 pm »
Yes. But the PL is saying you can't play in the domestic league and the new league
Uefa said Man City couldn’t play in the CL. Look how that worked out.

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« Reply #501 on: April 18, 2021, 06:52:53 pm »
If 90+% of games are still played at home grounds - as is the case in NFL or any sport that adopts this approach, why is this bad?
Have you seen the average ticket prices for an NFL game. If you think the £77, FSG tried to charge fans for some years ago was bad, wait till you see the prices for these super league games.
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Re: Breakaway Super League... The Times
« Reply #502 on: April 18, 2021, 06:52:53 pm »
You don’t see the outrage be da use you’re only looking at football as entertainment, fair enough some of us value it and what this club represents as more than that.

The club charges people £70 to come and watch the team play. It charges you £5 for a pie or a sausage roll. It pays the coach and players millions a year... the club is an entertainment business primarily, not some kind of charity movement.

The identity of Liverpool fans is separate - no doubt we have our own distinct values, culture and way of support. That won’t dissipate and I don’t see how not participating in the League Cup will lessen that. You can still go to games and sing your heart out, you can still watch us play in red weekly. We’ll still be called Liverpool and play at Anfield. It’ll just be Inter Milan instead of Watford.

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Re: Breakaway Super League... The Times
« Reply #503 on: April 18, 2021, 06:53:35 pm »
I hate this. Dont want us to be part of such a thing. We wiil end up playing matches around the world to maximize the profit. We really should boycott such a tournament.

No matter how flawed, the history that we have connected to the Champions League is special. European nights we will never forget. If you think thise nights will be the same in Chicago or in Dubai, which is what will happen, you are deluded.

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Re: Breakaway Super League... The Times
« Reply #504 on: April 18, 2021, 06:53:36 pm »
Is it even workable to play PL and this Super League shit?

That'd be 68 games or so before cup competitions.

Every club involved in this can get to fuck.

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« Reply #505 on: April 18, 2021, 06:53:57 pm »
Do you genuinely think that refereeing decisions go against us because of some anti-Liverpool bias?  ;D


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« Reply #506 on: April 18, 2021, 06:54:10 pm »
I mean sure, they’re threatening that.

But will they really want a domestic league without the 6 biggest clubs in it? I highly doubt it.
So if/when the next 'Leicester' win the title, they don't get to play in the European Super League, because they weren't one of the 'big six' in 2021? How long does that hold for - forever? Yeah, I'd fuck us off too.
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Re: Breakaway Super League... The Times
« Reply #507 on: April 18, 2021, 06:54:46 pm »
Eventually there will be no domestic leagues.

Not sure that’s what clubs want though.

They are making millions from the domestic leagues and also from a European comp I highly doubt a single European comp would bring in the same.

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« Reply #508 on: April 18, 2021, 06:54:49 pm »
When UEFA lost the fight against Man C, and they showed that FFP is nothing woth, this is the answer. Now one league with one set of rules that everyone has to obey. I think salary cap - as we know it from NFL, will be one of the rules in the new league.

Iam not happy about this, however, a european superleague has been in the cards for years.

It'll be about creating a European football version of the NFL. It won't work in conjunction with the domestic leagues though.
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« Reply #509 on: April 18, 2021, 06:54:51 pm »
The club charges people £70 to come and watch the team play. It charges you £5 for a pie or a sausage roll. It pays the coach and players millions a year... the club is an entertainment business primarily, not some kind of charity movement.

The identity of Liverpool fans is separate - no doubt we have our own distinct values, culture and way of support. That won’t dissipate and I don’t see how not participating in the League Cup will lessen that. You can still go to games and sing your heart out, you can still watch us play in red weekly. We’ll still be called Liverpool and play at Anfield. It’ll just be Inter Milan instead of Watford.

What are our distinct values and culture, you tell me...

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« Reply #510 on: April 18, 2021, 06:54:53 pm »

This season after that c*nt of a decision & us calling hi out,yes fucking right they have been doing.

You're talking absolute nonsense mate.

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« Reply #511 on: April 18, 2021, 06:54:58 pm »
Is it even workable to play PL and this Super League shit?

That'd be 68 games or so before cup competitions.

Every club involved in this can get to fuck.

You need to look at UEFA's "wonderful" suggestion as well then, which is little better.
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« Reply #512 on: April 18, 2021, 06:55:30 pm »
So if/when the next 'Leicester' win the title, they don't get to play in the European Super League, because they weren't one of the 'big six' in 2021? How long does that hold for - forever? Yeah, I'd fuck us off too.

Think they still get in it don’t they going by what’s leaked.

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« Reply #513 on: April 18, 2021, 06:56:04 pm »
The club charges people £70 to come and watch the team play. It charges you £5 for a pie or a sausage roll. It pays the coach and players millions a year... the club is an entertainment business primarily, not some kind of charity movement.

The identity of Liverpool fans is separate - no doubt we have our own distinct values, culture and way of support. That won’t dissipate and I don’t see how not participating in the League Cup will lessen that. You can still go to games and sing your heart out, you can still watch us play in red weekly. We’ll still be called Liverpool and play at Anfield. It’ll just be Inter Milan instead of Watford.

"distinct values" is a load of shite given how split supporters are in this thread.

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« Reply #514 on: April 18, 2021, 06:56:04 pm »
Posted in the other thread but this is an Americanisation of the sport. NBA of football. I actually think it could work potentially on a global scale. Increases accessibility to America and China which let’s face it they run the world. The more I research & understand how the elite think, the more I realise Europe represents old thinking/money & COVID has forced a lot of them to move quickly.

These are forward thinking people that see ways to make money before the majority do. Obviously domestically it’s a disaster but the wealth divide continues. There’s a whole world to build wealth in for them.

And it was always going to happen. The pandemic has just brought it forward. By the way, if this turns out to be the NBA of football, it will actually be good for the game. The rise of the NBA certainly hasn't ruined the game of basketball. Quite the opposite, it has forced FIBA to be far more organized and professional itself, resulting in a massive development of the game all over the World. If the ESL has the same effect on football, the only losers will be the highly paid incompetent idiots at the PL, UEFA and FIFA ...

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Re: Breakaway Super League... The Times
« Reply #515 on: April 18, 2021, 06:56:23 pm »
Not sure that’s what clubs want though.

They are making millions from the domestic leagues and also from a European comp I highly doubt a single European comp would bring in the same.

But other clubs won’t flourish because the money we get from broadcasters will be focused on the super league, naturally the clubs outside of the super league will get poorer making the competition even more lop sided than it already is.

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Re: Breakaway Super League... The Times
« Reply #516 on: April 18, 2021, 06:56:32 pm »
You need to look at UEFA's "wonderful" suggestion as well then, which is little better.
All this is, is a threat because clubs don’t like UEFAs plan for the CL.

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« Reply #517 on: April 18, 2021, 06:56:35 pm »
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Re: Breakaway Super League... The Times
« Reply #518 on: April 18, 2021, 06:56:42 pm »
Just to be sure...

This is a proposal to replace UEFA’s CL competition, right? And not a suggestion to replace the domestic league.

but we would be banned from domestic competition as well. What is the point of this if there are no repercussions of not getting into the CL places if you are allowed in every season at whatever cost? We are LFC because of our European 6 CL wins just to throw all that history is very upsetting
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Re: Breakaway Super League... The Times
« Reply #519 on: April 18, 2021, 06:56:45 pm »
You're talking absolute nonsense mate.

I bet you don't even know what decision I'm talking about.
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