Topic: Draft Towers

[Musketeer Gripweed]

I'll give it a go as long as we do the 70's at some point.

[red mongoose]

Yes, please.

[Betty Blue]

Gong to be travelling the next two weeks, so put me down as a maybe. I'll join if you need the numbers.

[dis_1]

If i remember to check my PMs I'll do the films too

[NICHOLLS]

IN for films

[Samie]

Where's the film thread Haze?

[Hazell]

Where's the film thread Haze?

Some of us have a life you know.

Not me of course so I'll set it up shortly.

[Draex]

Must be time for a super hero draft again?

[Samie]

Must be time for a super hero draft again?

Yeah, but we'd need to one slightly diffrent to the last one mate.

[Betty Blue]

Yeah, but we'd need to one slightly diffrent to the last one mate.

I was thinking about doing one with movie characters rather than comic characters for the second addition and/or choosing on favourites rather than power level.

[Draex]

Either would be fun! unleash the nerds!

[RobbieRedman]

I was thinking about doing one with movie characters rather than comic characters for the second addition and/or choosing on favourites rather than power level.

Great idea

[Hazell]

Gutted after that.

What's next?

[Musketeer Gripweed]

60s and 70s combined i hope. Would love to see what others would pick, wouldn't ever care about the voting.

Movie characters would be fun as well. Potential arguments there.

[Hazell]

60's/70's would be good. I wouldn't mind opening up to any movies pre-1980 and lifting some of the restrictions.

Movie characters would be good, I'd be sound with either.

[Betty Blue]

60's/70's would be good. I wouldn't mind opening up to any movies pre-1980 and lifting some of the restrictions.

Movie characters would be good, I'd be sound with either.

Yeah, I'd open it up to all decades not yet done. But I think we can keep the categories if we just bump a few together like horror/scifi/fantasy and action/adventure/western. Doubt we'll get anywhere like 16 drafters, so shouldn't be too tricky anyway.

Movie character would be fun too. Think we did something like that before, except we made them fight 

Other thing I was thinking of was an all-time TV draft following a similar line to the movie drafts with different categories etc.

[Draex]

Yeah, I'd open it up to all decades not yet done. But I think we can keep the categories if we just bump a few together like horror/scifi/fantasy and action/adventure/western. Doubt we'll get anywhere like 16 drafters, so shouldn't be too tricky anyway.

Movie character would be fun too. Think we did something like that before, except we made them fight 

Other thing I was thinking of was an all-time TV draft following a similar line to the movie drafts with different categories etc.

Movie Characters but assemble a team and the voting is based on team dynamic! So power isn't the overarching requirement.

[Betty Blue]

Movie Characters but assemble a team and the voting is based on team dynamic! So power isn't the overarching requirement.

Definitely want to do another Marvel vs DC draft too. Currently thinking we could tier it by power level, so each drafter picks like so...

- 1 x God/eternal/titan-level pick (think Superman, Thanos, Galactus level)

- 2 x powered/enhanced beings (Batman, Spiderman, Magneto etc)

- 2 x street-level non-powered/low level powers (Daredevil, Black Widow, Harley Quinn etc)

Although this could cause a lot of arguments too 

[Sheer Magnetism]

Daredevil is technically an enhanced being while Batman isn't. I don't say that to be pedantic, just to indicate splitting by power level would be subjective unless there's some kind of reference point.

I'd be up for movie characters but i'd suggest a) No super powers and b) Give them some kind of task to perform: a bank heist or a spy mission or something.

[Betty Blue]

Daredevil is technically an enhanced being while Batman isn't. I don't say that to be pedantic, just to indicate splitting by power level would be subjective unless there's some kind of reference point.

Yes, I know that. That's why there would have to be some common sense with the tier-ing. I mean surely everyone knows that Batman could go toe-to-toe with plenty of powered beings. I also deliberately used the word street-level, as Daredevil is never seen fighting top tier guys whereas Batman is. I also used enhanced not to mean powers, but enhanced kit - i.e. Iron Man has his suit, which makes him enhanced to fight on the same level as powered guys.

It's a tricky one I know, but last time out because there was a complete free for all it meant most of the low-tier/unpowered heroes were left out. That's a shame IMO and some of them are my personal favourites. I remember Joker went in round 1, but his team ultimately got destroyed because he was outmatched fighting heroes outside his power-level. I'd like to see a comic book draft where Gambit is just as useful a pick as Thanos is and making tiers is the only way I can see that working remotely.

[Sheer Magnetism]

Batman is a street-level superhero. He spends his time picking up muggers and thugs and fighting against crime bosses and escaped maniacs. The only time he fights superpowered beings is when he's in the Justice League. He's their Hawkeye, if Hawkeye was also a brilliant strategist and martial artist. Anyway, my point is that it's a good idea in theory but probably too subjective to do in practice.

[Betty Blue]

Batman is a street-level superhero. He spends his time picking up muggers and thugs and fighting against crime bosses and escaped maniacs. The only time he fights superpowered beings is when he's in the Justice League. He's their Hawkeye, if Hawkeye was also a brilliant strategist and martial artist. Anyway, my point is that it's a good idea in theory but probably too subjective to do in practice.

You're right. I'm not a big DC fan, so I was skimming over that. But he's also (to my knowledge) fighting alongside Superman, Wonder Woman et al in the Justice League against far greater foes. Batman is on the level of a lot of powered guys and I don't think anyone would disagree with that.

I agree about the subjectivity though. Batman is an easier case compared to many others. I'd like to find a way for X-men level guys and humans to get some love though. So if you anyone has any other ideas that would be great? I ran the last one very tightly with a HUGE banned list if you recall, so if I have to do the same kind of thing to pull off this then I don't mind that either.

For reference here's what we did last time out -

https://www.redandwhitekop.com/forum/index.php?topic=320165.0

[Draex]

[tubby]

It's such a fluid thing, Spider-Man is a street level hero but he's crazy powerful and helps out fighting big hitters all the time.

[Samie]

My stable was really good but as usual no one votes for me because it's Samie. 

[Betty Blue]

It's such a fluid thing, Spider-Man is a street level hero but he's crazy powerful and helps out fighting big hitters all the time.

Good point. Let's ditch the word street level 

We could have a human/non powered category, but then you've got the Iron Man/Batman outliers that ruin it. That also doesn't solve the low powered mutants etc getting any love

[Samie]

So...

[Hazell]

Pre-1980's movie draft.

Cat 1. Action/War/Western
Cat 2. Thriller/Crime
Cat 3. Drama/Romance
Cat 4. Comedy/Adventure/Fantasy
Cat 5. Sci-Fi/Horror
Cat 6. Wildcard (pick whatever you like) x 2

Thoughts?

[Samie]

All good but don;t see why we have to pick 2 wildcards. 

[red mongoose]

Pre-1980's movie draft.

Cat 1. Action/War/Western
Cat 2. Thriller/Crime
Cat 3. Drama/Romance
Cat 4. Comedy/Adventure/Fantasy
Cat 5. Sci-Fi/Horror
Cat 6. Wildcard (pick whatever you like) x 2

Thoughts?

Yes, please.

[Betty Blue]

All good but don;t see why we have to pick 2 wildcards. 

Swap one wildcard back for family/animation? This is the age of all the great Disney classics. Shouldn't be too hard.

[Draex]

What about battle of the bands?

Cat 1. Lead Singer
Cat 2. Lead Guitar
Cat 3. Bass Guitar
Cat 4. Drummer
Cat 5. Support
Cat 6. Guest Singer
Cat 7. Song

None can be from the same band.

[Lastrador]

Pre-1980's movie draft.

Cat 1. Action/War/Western
Cat 2. Thriller/Crime
Cat 3. Drama/Romance
Cat 4. Comedy/Adventure/Fantasy
Cat 5. Sci-Fi/Horror
Cat 6. Wildcard (pick whatever you like) x 2

Thoughts?

Would leave Musicals as a category next to Comedy for this draft, as it was the peak age for them and there are lots of great ones to pick from, for those who want to. Would add a family/animation category, as Betts suggested, but would also add to it the Adventure category, as it seems misplaced next to comedy. I can't think of many, if any, great fantasy movies pre-80s, so I would leave that one out. Another one I always forget, I think we should add a Mystery category next to Thriller/Crime or Horror/Sci-Fi. On every draft, I try picking a movie thinking it would be classified as a thriller and it's only on Mystery. Think several have had the same problem too, so that would alleviate it.

So all in all, this is how I would break it down:

Cat 1. Action/War/Western
Cat 2. Thriller/Crime/Mystery
Cat 3. Drama/Romance
Cat 4. Comedy/Musicals
Cat 5. Sci-Fi/Horror
Cat 6. Family/Animation/Adventure
Cat 7. Wildcard (pick whatever you like)

Also, I would leave out the blockbuster, indie and the year's rules. But would add a different rule, that at least three different decades must be represented.

[Betty Blue]

Would leave Musicals as a category next to Comedy for this draft, as it was the peak age for them and there are lots of great ones to pick from, for those who want to. Would add a family/animation category, as Betts suggested, but would also add to it the Adventure category, as it seems misplaced next to comedy. I can't think of many, if any, great fantasy movies pre-80s, so I would leave that one out. Another one I always forget, I think we should add a Mystery category next to Thriller/Crime or Horror/Sci-Fi. On every draft, I try picking a movie thinking it would be classified as a thriller and it's only on Mystery. Think several have had the same problem too, so that would alleviate it.

So all in all, this is how I would break it down:

Cat 1. Action/War/Western
Cat 2. Thriller/Crime/Mystery
Cat 3. Drama/Romance
Cat 4. Comedy/Musicals
Cat 5. Sci-Fi/Horror
Cat 6. Family/Animation/Adventure
Cat 7. Wildcard (pick whatever you like)

Also, I would leave out the blockbuster, indie and the year's rules. But would add a different rule, that at least three different decades must be represented.

Agreed on all fronts, except adventure with family/animation. That will probably lead to films like Mad Max and Easy Rider in there 

Could slot it in with action instead, but maybe easier just to sacrifice adventure along with fantasy rather than shoehorn it in somewhere?

[Hazell]

Also, I would leave out the blockbuster, indie and the year's rules. But would add a different rule, that at least three different decades must be represented.

Nice one mate, following Betty's post, something like:

Cat 1. Action/War/Western
Cat 2. Thriller/Crime/Mystery
Cat 3. Drama/Romance
Cat 4. Comedy/Musicals
Cat 5. Sci-Fi/Horror
Cat 6. Family/Animation
Cat 7. Wildcard (pick whatever you like)

* 3 different decades must be represented.
* Only 1 movie per director.
* No repeated lead actors.

[Lastrador]

Agreed on all fronts, except adventure with family/animation. That will probably lead to films like Mad Max and Easy Rider in there 

Could slot it in with action instead, but maybe easier just to sacrifice adventure along with fantasy rather than shoehorn it in somewhere?

Yeah, I thought that was a possibility. So yeah probably better to scrap it altogether. You can fit any adventure film into another genre anyway.

Nice one mate, following Betty's post, something like:

Cat 1. Action/War/Western
Cat 2. Thriller/Crime/Mystery
Cat 3. Drama/Romance
Cat 4. Comedy/Musicals
Cat 5. Sci-Fi/Horror
Cat 6. Family/Animation
Cat 7. Wildcard (pick whatever you like)

* 3 different decades must be represented.
* Only 1 movie per director.
* No repeated lead actors.

Looks good mate.

[Betty Blue]

Looks good mate.

+ 1 x foreign language pick? Should be easy as pie in these decades.

[Hazell]

Really? I imagine that would be quite difficult.

[Betty Blue]

Really? I imagine that would be quite difficult.

It depends how much you know about French, Italian, and Japanese cinema    Some of the greatest films in these decades are probably foreign to be honest.

[Hazell]

It depends how much you know about French, Italian, and Japanese cinema    Some of the greatest films in these decades are probably foreign to be honest.

True, let's see what others say.