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Re: John Barnes
« Reply #400 on: August 26, 2016, 06:38:07 pm »
I think the biggest disappointment for me, is the fact that he doesn't think he's done anything wrong or that he's trying to pass it off as trivial and a joke.

It's fucking neither of those.

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Re: John Barnes
« Reply #401 on: August 26, 2016, 06:47:35 pm »
The bit that disappointed me was his initial comment in that "I also don't read the Express or The Mail" or something very close to that.

The difference between The Sun, The Express and the Mail should be unequivocal.

It's a difficult one obviously as he is older than me and was in the team on the day and therefore is much more connected to the disaster than I ever will be having also attended funerals and presumably done lots of good things in the quest for justice and for helping the families over the years. Having said all that though, beyond Kenny, he'd be the sort of person you think would tell the researcher before the show "Sorry, I can't be seen to be doing anything with The Sun at all".

His defence is more than a little disappointing as it seems to be more about how dare I be questioned than about recognising he was perhaps a little insensitive.

I've got a mate who is a journalist. He was offered a role at The Sun, he ummed and ahhed and decided ultimately he couldn't move there- and we're talking a much higher wage than he was on at his local newspaper job and he has a missus and a mortgage. He turned it down, carried on his role and has now joined the Express and done a couple of splashes on the front page. He doesn't pour praise upon the Express, probably didn't read it before he joined like Barnes doesn't, he but doesn't feel like he is completely contradicting his principles by working there as ultimately, The Sun was a definite no go though he does regret his initial consideration. And that's in an environment, where it's his entire career- not one of several media appearances off the back of his fame. He can make that call, it's a shame Barnes couldn't.
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Re: John Barnes
« Reply #402 on: August 26, 2016, 08:23:30 pm »
Expected better of Barnes, he comes across as well spoken and well educated. Lawrenson is always acting the tit, trying to be funny all the time, no surprise when he got involved in a similar scandal.

But with John Barnes I am bitterly disappointed and lost so much respect for him.
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Re: John Barnes
« Reply #403 on: August 26, 2016, 08:59:58 pm »
Shocked at this and pretty gutted to be honest, expected far better of him than this.
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Re: John Barnes
« Reply #404 on: August 26, 2016, 09:26:28 pm »
Shocked and gutted.

At least Souness said sorry.
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Re: John Barnes
« Reply #405 on: August 26, 2016, 10:05:48 pm »
Shocked and gutted.

At least Souness said sorry.
souness always claimed that some players were still speaking to them so he thought it wasn't so bad, seemed to be ignored that comment but I think he was telling the truth

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Re: John Barnes
« Reply #406 on: August 26, 2016, 10:46:31 pm »
This isn't the first time John Barnes has appeared on TV holding a copy of that rag.

In 2004, some of you may remember the ill-fated John Barnes Football Night on Channel 5.  It showed some highlights and John Barnes discussed some of the topical issues of the day.  It was on Channel 5 at some daft time like Midnight - I remember watching it one night and John holding up a copy of the rag while talking about a story they were running.  I felt sick and emailed the show - this was in the December and it took a couple of emails to get a response but by the following May, I got this response from a producer on the show.

Thanks for your e-mail addressed to John Barnes regarding the use of 'The
Sun' newspaper on our 'Football Night' programme.

Please accept my apologies in the delay in responding. John assures me that
he replied soon after receiving your e-mail but it looks like it got lost in
the system somewhere.

I work on the show and I've spoken to John regarding your complaint and he
had the following to say.

"I fully understand the nature of your complaint. I do not like 'The Sun'
newspaper myself and do not buy it. I did not agree with the way that they
reported on the Hillsborough tragedy but as a journalist/presenter working
on a football news programme the newspaper is used in discussions etc -  an
agenda set by the producers. I am not endorsing 'The Sun' by referring to it
on the programme.
I am sorry that this upsets you, but I am simply doing my job as a presenter
of a football news programme".

Thanks again for your e-mail and sorry again for the delay in responding.


I spoke to a couple of people from the HJC at the time - the general feeling being that they were disappointed but didn't want to start a witch hunt against him.

I'm gutted that John still feels he can use the arguments he used all that time ago - I know he's had financial issues - but I know people who earn far less who have refused to have anything to do with that rag - including people who work in supermarkets who've risked their job by refusing to handle it and Skem postmen who threatened to walk out if they had to deliver free copies of it.  Colin Murray and Tony Barrett have also showed more recently that it's possible to maintain a media profile and earn a living without sinking to that - but John and his conscience are comfortable with what he is doing - yet another lesson for the fans not to build up these humans who happen to be very, very good at football.

It shows again the disconnect between players (past and present) and the people.
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Re: John Barnes
« Reply #407 on: August 27, 2016, 01:52:52 am »
It's fucking inexcusable, it really is. That paper should have been the equivalent of a red flag to a bull with him. The fact it wasn't, is quite telling. I'm livid, a hero of mine tarnished forever. FFS John!!!

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Re: John Barnes
« Reply #408 on: August 27, 2016, 04:33:20 pm »
Fucks sake John. 
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Re: John Barnes
« Reply #409 on: August 27, 2016, 07:37:43 pm »
Gutted about this. :'(

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Re: John Barnes
« Reply #410 on: August 29, 2016, 01:19:40 pm »
Have a little read John..still can't get over this, hope every decent red is made aware of it.

It tarnished our City and 96 names.
That's why the Boycott still remains.
The paper that lied, cruel lies it told.
But soon we all saw the truth unfold.
The justice we fought for, finally won.
Still not to be trusted, the lying Sun.
As our support continues and gains.
I watch it go up in smoke and flames.
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Re: John Barnes
« Reply #411 on: September 6, 2016, 11:50:44 am »
Have a little read John..still can't get over this, hope every decent red is made aware of it.

It tarnished our City and 96 names.
That's why the Boycott still remains.
The paper that lied, cruel lies it told.
But soon we all saw the truth unfold.
The justice we fought for, finally won.
Still not to be trusted, the lying Sun.
As our support continues and gains.
I watch it go up in smoke and flames.

You should post that on his twatter account

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Re: John Barnes
« Reply #412 on: September 7, 2016, 02:46:51 pm »
Didn't catch this when it first happened as been away a lot.

Gutted.  Barnes of all people.  There on the day.  Directly experienced the immediate aftermath.

Lost for words.  There's some errors you just don't make.  But if you do, you don't respond in the manner he has.

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Re: John Barnes
« Reply #413 on: September 7, 2016, 03:11:39 pm »
It's why you don't build people up to be anything more than they are. Humans are pretty much all irritating, daft, ignorant at the best of times people who do stupid things at least a few times in our lives. I don't know John on a personal level, most of us don't, he cocked up and made a hash out of the backlash. His error, I get why he did what he did on a professional basis but you still don't do it. That said I don't believe a cock up like this changes how I view him, or the desire to see him more involved at the club, or counteracts all the good he has done previously.

It's just a stupid error and something he's smart enough to move beyond and not make again.

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Re: John Barnes
« Reply #414 on: September 7, 2016, 03:14:31 pm »
It's just a stupid error and something he's smart enough to move beyond and not make again.

That would be true if he actually thought he'd done something wrong. Which he doesn't.

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Re: John Barnes
« Reply #415 on: September 7, 2016, 04:55:36 pm »
It's just a stupid error and something he's smart enough to move beyond and not make again.

and it's not something he's only done once.

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Re: John Barnes
« Reply #416 on: September 12, 2016, 12:32:43 am »
I choose to give the benefit of the doubt to Digger. He's a great man and generally always represent us well, but I think he's prone to a brain fart or two. Still love the man and we should go gentle on him - he's one of us.
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Re: John Barnes
« Reply #417 on: November 7, 2016, 04:38:51 pm »
Can't believe nobody's wished Digger happy birthday.  :wave

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Re: John Barnes
« Reply #418 on: November 7, 2016, 09:03:32 pm »
Can't believe nobody's wished Digger happy birthday.  :wave
I think he pissed a few off this year though.
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Re: John Barnes
« Reply #419 on: January 3, 2018, 12:33:27 pm »
He's entering the Celebrity Big Brother house.

Not sure whether to be appalled or delighted by this!

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Re: John Barnes
« Reply #420 on: January 3, 2018, 01:24:29 pm »
He's entering the Celebrity Big Brother house.

Not sure whether to be appalled or delighted by this!

Surely he can't be that skint
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Re: John Barnes
« Reply #421 on: January 3, 2018, 01:27:00 pm »
Fucking hell Digger, don't do it to yourself.
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Re: John Barnes
« Reply #422 on: January 3, 2018, 01:28:41 pm »
It's easy money, pay his bills for the year in a couple of weeks and get all sorts of work off the back of it. Not sure he'd fit in there. He actually has something interesting to say, and that will stick out like a sore thumb on channel 5.

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Re: John Barnes
« Reply #423 on: January 3, 2018, 03:04:52 pm »
He's entering the Celebrity Big Brother house.

Not sure whether to be appalled or delighted by this!
should be appalled if you are delighted :D
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Re: John Barnes
« Reply #424 on: January 3, 2018, 03:12:24 pm »
should be appalled if you are delighted :D

To be honest mate I could walk in on him in bed with my missus and I'd be delighted - it's John Fucking Barnes! I'm gonna tune in for sure

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Re: John Barnes
« Reply #425 on: January 3, 2018, 03:46:13 pm »
To be honest mate I could walk in on him in bed with my missus and I'd be delighted - it's John Fucking Barnes! I'm gonna tune in for sure

You have a missus called John?

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Re: John Barnes
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Re: John Barnes
« Reply #427 on: January 3, 2018, 04:04:22 pm »
To be honest mate I could walk in on him in bed with my missus and I'd be delighted - it's John Fucking Barnes! I'm gonna tune in for sure

That's his actual nickname.
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Re: John Barnes
« Reply #428 on: January 3, 2018, 11:00:06 pm »
Don't do it Digger!

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Re: John Barnes
« Reply #429 on: January 4, 2018, 12:25:00 am »
Unfortunately he is skint so he basically is up for anything. He was declared bankrupt a few years ago. He has about 18 kids to support as well. The business with the rag is a real blow to people and a city that loved him. I still like him but seeing him on the wright stuff waving that rag was a real punch in the gut. I understand his reasoning but i dont accept it. Its not negotiable as a player for our club or so called Liverpool fans to read that rag.

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Re: John Barnes
« Reply #430 on: January 4, 2018, 07:51:52 am »
Unfortunately he is skint so he basically is up for anything. He was declared bankrupt a few years ago. He has about 18 kids to support as well. The business with the rag is a real blow to people and a city that loved him. I still like him but seeing him on the wright stuff waving that rag was a real punch in the gut. I understand his reasoning but i dont accept it. Its not negotiable as a player for our club or so called Liverpool fans to read that rag.

Whats all that about? first ive heard of it
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Re: John Barnes
« Reply #431 on: January 4, 2018, 08:09:05 am »
Whats all that about? first ive heard of it

It's been mentioned earlier in the thread.

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Re: John Barnes
« Reply #432 on: March 14, 2018, 06:42:11 pm »
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b09sm8q6

John Barnes

At Home With Colin Murray

Colin Murray sits down with former Liverpool and England footballer, John Barnes. Download the full interview in the podcast: bbc.co.uk/podcasts/5live.


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Re: John Barnes
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Re: John Barnes
« Reply #435 on: March 27, 2019, 09:03:54 am »
I think this is my first post in this sub-forum.

https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/47713460

Everytime Barnes says something I am reminded that he is being completely wasted by both Liverpool and actually the country. He always makes so much sense and comes across as extremely charismatic.

I can't think of a single figure formerly associated with the club who I would like to see involved as much as possible more than Barnes.

On an unrelated note, as a player Barnes will always be remembered as the goal-machine winger but I think its under-appreciated how he adapted his game following his achilles injury and in fact I would say was 15 years ahead of his time in the role he played after that. He was like a Xavi in the early 90's.

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Re: John Barnes
« Reply #436 on: March 29, 2019, 01:52:11 pm »
For you old-timers, I was born in 1991 so never saw him play. I've gotten the impression though, that he was very similar to Sadio in terms of style of play more than a standard wideman as in an inside forward with great tenacity? Is that correct?

Absolute legend though. Best player in his position England has had since colour TV came around.
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Re: John Barnes
« Reply #437 on: March 29, 2019, 02:07:47 pm »
For you old-timers, I was born in 1991 so never saw him play. I've gotten the impression though, that he was very similar to Sadio in terms of style of play more than a standard wideman as in an inside forward with great tenacity? Is that correct?

Absolute legend though. Best player in his position England has had since colour TV came around.

Not sure I’d say that. Pre injury he was quick but not as electric as Sadio. I’d say he was a more silky dribbler though, as good as Sadio is. His control and ability to elude tacklers with a little young or feint were superb.

When he first came I’d say he was an old fashioned winner. Stayed wide, created a ton. In the 89/90 season he did play more centrally for large parts though and scored a lot more as a result.

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Re: John Barnes
« Reply #438 on: March 29, 2019, 02:08:46 pm »
It was a different game back then, wide players tended to play on the side of their favoured foot, so Barnes was a left winger, he didn't have the option to cut in on his favourite foot like Sadio does now.  Having said that, Barnes still cut in anyway and curled shots into the top corner with his right because he was fucking amazing.  Didn't quite have the same unbelievable pace over 5 yards that Mane has, but Barnes glided along with the ball and was such a strong runner with amazing close control.  I remember reading Gerrard's autobiography where he said he started training with the first team and even though Barnes had lost his speed and had transitioned into a centre mid... no one could get the ball off him.

If he'd been playing in this day and age he would be playing off the right and would be getting Salah-esque numbers.  Guy was a beast.
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Re: John Barnes
« Reply #439 on: March 29, 2019, 02:10:32 pm »
Not sure I’d say that. Pre injury he was quick but not as electric as Sadio. I’d say he was a more silky dribbler though, as good as Sadio is. His control and ability to elude tacklers with a little young or feint were superb.

When he first came I’d say he was an old fashioned winner. Stayed wide, created a ton. In the 89/90 season he did play more centrally for large parts though and scored a lot more as a result.

Since I wasn't around, was he two-footed similar to what Sadio is? After all, he can score belters with both feet, which is not something I'd associated with many wingers. Did he score plenty of long-range goals as well similar to what Mo did last season? "all goals for Liverpool FC" compilations don't seem to go back longer than the Premier League days on Youtube!

Tubby might have answered that while I wrote it lol...  :wave
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