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Re: The Fat Duck & Fine Dining Thread
« Reply #80 on: February 6, 2009, 12:38:11 pm »
i thought i'd move this over from the gordon ramsey thread.  aubergine is a restaurant in west london where he made his reputation and his second michelin star after emerging at harvey's as sous chef to marco pierre white.  god i'm old if i can remember all that lot:

ramsay is a great chef.  i went to the last ever dinner at aubergine with my gf for her birthday.  it was a saturday night, they were shut on sundays and he walked out on the monday before lunch taking the whole staff with him.  aubergine was a two star restaurant, he was in the kitchen every day as he still had to prove himself and get his third star.  our dinner was simply exceptional.  it was - i think - 9 years ago on or around july the 18th and we had the menu degustation.

i don't remember it all but we started with a cappucino of white beans and truffle oil - a rich, smooth, sophisticated soup served in an espresso cup with a couple of beans at the bottom.  great start.

the next thing i remember is an open raviolo of lobster with a slick of tomato sauce and some tapenade.

i had the spring lamb served very pink as a main and then a selection of cheeses that tasted close to god followed by one of the greatest deserts i've ever had - a creme brulee with a crushed granny smith apple sauce - a north, east, south and west were two wafer thin, dry roasted slices of apple which, added to the sauce, made it absolute nectar.

i've forgotten a few things in between - understandable after this amount of time - but not the petits fours we had with the our coffee and brandy: one of them was strawberry ice cream encased in white chocolate.  its a wonder we still had room but no regrets for forcing 'one more' down my neck.

as for his tv shows i can't deny they're entertaining - the live cooking program has a real energy and sense of drama that moves things on from the hackneyed ready steady cook; his kitchen bootcamp shows are also massively entertaining - but i find him a bit of a boor and not sure i'd want to go for a pint with him.

like he'd care of course.   more power to his elbow and respect for giving me one of my best ever meals.

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Re: The Fat Duck & Fine Dining Thread
« Reply #81 on: February 6, 2009, 02:47:41 pm »
I went to Le Manoir last February, my second visit. It remains a top class restaurant, still has 2 stars from Michelin and they are well deserved. If it's spring or summer you also get the advantage of being able to walk round the gardens which are very nice. Blanc tours the dining room and greets everyone. If you want the true French gourmet experience it's a definite go.

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Re: The Fat Duck & Fine Dining Thread
« Reply #82 on: February 9, 2009, 05:40:11 pm »
i went for a lovely meal at barrafina last wednesday.  you can check out its website here:

http://www.barrafina.co.uk/

its the sister restaurant of fino, a high end spanish restaurant in london with some stellar prices too.  the same guys have also just taken over quo vadis which is a soho institution but again stratospherically expensive.

barrafina offers most of the things at fino but at tapas prices.  its only 26 seats and you can't book but the queues are testimony to how good it is.

we got there at 5.50pm so just beat the evening rush.  they do a selection of classics every day but also have an equally long specials menu which changes every day depending on what they pick up at the market.

we started off with some fresh, crisp calamari; razor clams with olive oil, garlic and parsley and a nice bottle of muga which is a white spanish wine that has a subtle taste of red apples in the mix.  its lovely.

next up we had a fish, brill, cooked with pan fried jersualem artichokes that was pretty much superb but not the best thing we had all night.

that honor goes to the fillet of pork served with a puree of spiced pumpkin and pan fried wild mushrooms.

we polished it off with crema catalana (mentioned above as the spanish answer to creme brulee) and a fig salad.

in short: totally delicious and i can say with some confidence that its my favourite restaurant in london and has been for the past 12 months.

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Re: The Fat Duck & Fine Dining Thread
« Reply #83 on: February 10, 2009, 12:17:18 pm »
Has any1 actually brought The Big Fat Duck Cookbook.
no where seems to have it in stock. s was wondering if any1 has actually got it and what their thoughts are
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Re: The Fat Duck & Fine Dining Thread
« Reply #84 on: February 10, 2009, 12:42:31 pm »
The fat duck's menu is astounding, I would love to go there "one day"...

Doesnt seem to be much on offer for veggies, so couldnt take the bird with me. I'd have to leave her in the hotel with a subway or something.
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Re: The Fat Duck & Fine Dining Thread
« Reply #85 on: February 10, 2009, 01:56:57 pm »
Has any1 actually brought The Big Fat Duck Cookbook.
no where seems to have it in stock. s was wondering if any1 has actually got it and what their thoughts are

i got it as my birthday prezzie and its a serious object of beauty with super high quality paper and lavish illustration.

not sure i will ever be attempting to cook anything from it but its nice to have the recipes for the food we ate when i visited the restaurant.

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Re: The Fat Duck & Fine Dining Thread
« Reply #86 on: February 10, 2009, 01:59:36 pm »
I have tried, and failed, to go there a couple of times now. We arrived far too late both times and the waiting times were effectively interstellar.

I have it on really good authority that it's absolutely superb and one of the finest tapas restaurants in Europe.

I'm in London today so I might try and go today if I can brave the madding crowds :)


if you check out the website they have a webcam that shows you the queue so you can check from your office (i'm in wardour st) before you run round.

i suggest trying friday about 1.50pm.  there's an early lunch rush on a friday but it goes quiet closer to 2pm and the serve up until 3pm.  after that you can sit over your desert and drink until dinner starts again at 6pm which we've only managed the once so far.

its the best tapas restaurant i've ever been to and my parents live in spain so i've been to a few.

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Re: The Fat Duck & Fine Dining Thread
« Reply #87 on: February 10, 2009, 02:20:59 pm »
i got it as my birthday prezzie and its a serious object of beauty with super high quality paper and lavish illustration.

not sure i will ever be attempting to cook anything from it but its nice to have the recipes for the food we ate when i visited the restaurant.

cheers for that. just seen on play its due to be published again at the end of the  month. probaly get it from local bookshop (dont want it getting damged in the post)
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Re: The Fat Duck & Fine Dining Thread
« Reply #88 on: February 10, 2009, 02:23:40 pm »
cheers for that. just seen on play its due to be published again at the end of the  month. probaly get it from local bookshop (dont want it getting damged in the post)


play sent it to my mrs in an a mega padded box so i can recommend them for convenience if you're in when its delivered.

its a BIG book and massively heavy so you might prefer not to have to cart it home from town.

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Re: The Fat Duck & Fine Dining Thread
« Reply #89 on: February 10, 2009, 03:53:25 pm »
The fat duck's menu is astounding, I would love to go there "one day"...

Doesnt seem to be much on offer for veggies, so couldnt take the bird with me. I'd have to leave her in the hotel with a subway or something.

You'll be fine. Just explain and they'll provide an alternative menu.

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Re: The Fat Duck & Fine Dining Thread
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Re: The Fat Duck & Fine Dining Thread
« Reply #91 on: February 10, 2009, 04:24:54 pm »
By the way, I keep hearing good things about the Tyddyn Llan in North Wales.

My mum used to take me there as a child / teenager, but I've been told they've ticked the level of cooking there up a few notches and it's really super food there now.

Anyone with any experiences of it? I might book it for the family for Easter if some tells me good things.

It was in one of the broadsheet's list of the top 10 restaurants in the UK recently so they must be doing something right.  It's another one I am intending to try shortly. 

It has also won an award for Best Restaurant in Wales, which, having eaten at the Crown at Whitebrook I must confess to being a little sceptical about. 
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Re: The Fat Duck & Fine Dining Thread
« Reply #92 on: February 10, 2009, 05:05:45 pm »
It is tempting to think that 'fine dining' is actually 'the poncey nonsense farting around with food' thread.

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Re: The Fat Duck & Fine Dining Thread
« Reply #93 on: February 10, 2009, 05:20:47 pm »
Isn't that, historically, what 'fine dining' has always been about? Except we're a bit more metrosexual than the Vikings, and less polite than the Victorians.

I don't know. The kind of thing being talked about in this thread is the kind of food I'd avoid. I love food- I was lucky enough to be brought up with better food than most, and my current waistline bears ample testament to my passion- but I tend to prefer the relatively unadorned, the unfussy, letting things stand for themselves. Good food, good local produce where possible, cooked well. My favourite meal of recent times was the lechazo asado from Meson Candido in Segovia; the epitome of unfussy presntation or pretentious backslappery but in a world-famous restaurant nonetheless.

we're a bit more metrosexual than the Vikings

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Re: The Fat Duck & Fine Dining Thread
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Re: The Fat Duck & Fine Dining Thread
« Reply #95 on: February 10, 2009, 05:23:44 pm »
Those poor baby lambs!

They knew what they were getting into. They fulfilled their destiny.

Ever been to a matanza?

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Re: The Fat Duck & Fine Dining Thread
« Reply #96 on: February 10, 2009, 05:27:46 pm »
Ever been to a matanza?

Sadly not, i didn't know about them when I was living there, found out about them the year after, mmmmmm pigs

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Re: The Fat Duck & Fine Dining Thread
« Reply #97 on: February 10, 2009, 05:29:49 pm »
Looks like even the big name chef's restaurants are in trouble: -

http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/food-and-drink/features/munch-crunch-britains-restaurant-crisis-1605279.html

a lot of the 'big names' have opted for rapid growth rather than just sticking to good food.  ramsay actually knows what he is doing so i think he will be ok but novelli has had a string of restaurants go shut and seems to have a gallic indifference to staying on budget in any project so its not a surprise his chain is going tits up.

ditto that twat worral-thompson - if there's a more loathsome individual on tv i can't think of him.  i imagine him inviting aging widows round to his house for 'a spot of supper' and meeting them in a tiger skin thong.  eugh.  his food and restaurants have been similarly naff (not a word i use often but spot on for this prick) so again its no surprise that middle brow, middle market fodder will go tits up in a recession.

i think the really good restaurants aren't going to suffer in the recession and by that i mean anywhere with 3 stars (not many in the uk i know) as there will always be rich people and they will always want the best.  similarly high quality budget restaurants - people who do ace fish and chips for example - will probably be all right too.  the real problem comes for the 'tweeners' or things that are in between cool budget and the high end.  do you go for brunch when you're skint or just stock up at waitrose and do it at home?

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Re: The Fat Duck & Fine Dining Thread
« Reply #98 on: February 10, 2009, 05:31:50 pm »
I don't know. The kind of thing being talked about in this thread is the kind of food I'd avoid. I love food- I was lucky enough to be brought up with better food than most, and my current waistline bears ample testament to my passion- but I tend to prefer the relatively unadorned, the unfussy, letting things stand for themselves. Good food, good local produce where possible, cooked well. My favourite meal of recent times was the lechazo asado from Meson Candido in Segovia; the epitome of unfussy presntation or pretentious backslappery but in a world-famous restaurant nonetheless.

Speak for yourself.


hey hooded claw you're describing the food i love as well but i get the opportunity to eat out a lot through work so i thought i'd share some of the experiences on here.

i think you would very much enjoy barrafina though.  there are some frills but its essentially very simple spanish food done extremely well and with the best quality ingredients.  so many places in london seem to feel the need to add too much when really there's only either good food or bad food.

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Re: The Fat Duck & Fine Dining Thread
« Reply #99 on: February 10, 2009, 06:24:18 pm »
They knew what they were getting into. They fulfilled their destiny.

Ever been to a matanza?

oh and please tell us about matanza - i've tried googling them but getting some californian restaurants but guessing you're talking about spain?

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Re: The Fat Duck & Fine Dining Thread
« Reply #100 on: February 10, 2009, 06:30:26 pm »
google matanza and it's the first result

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Re: The Fat Duck & Fine Dining Thread
« Reply #101 on: February 10, 2009, 10:46:13 pm »
google matanza and it's the first result

not for me but guessing its some kind of pork bbq?

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Re: The Fat Duck & Fine Dining Thread
« Reply #102 on: February 11, 2009, 10:01:40 am »
hey hooded claw you're describing the food i love as well but i get the opportunity to eat out a lot through work so i thought i'd share some of the experiences on here.

i think you would very much enjoy barrafina though.  there are some frills but its essentially very simple spanish food done extremely well and with the best quality ingredients.  so many places in london seem to feel the need to add too much when really there's only either good food or bad food.

I undoubtedly would; I despair sometimes at the British ersatz versions of tapas, having been brought up with Spanish home cooking, but as you say- 'there's only either good food or bad food.'
My favourite 'regular' restaurants are all owned by a former wine merchant called Martinez who applies that same philosophy  across the group; the food available is in huge glass display cases, arranged on banks of crushed ice, for you to select the lobster/steak/oysters/whatever which will soon be on your plate. It's a lovely 'interactive' way to eat.


oh and please tell us about matanza - i've tried googling them but getting some californian restaurants but guessing you're talking about spain?
not for me but guessing its some kind of pork bbq?
Anyway... a matanza is a 'ritual' pig-slaughtering. In villages it seems to have evolved from that communal spirit where nothing is wasted, all parts of the freshly (and not for the squeamish, obviously) slaughtered pig are cut up and apportioned for different uses. It's a massive sensory overload for soft-bellied urbanites, for sure. The noises, smells and sights aren't quickly forgotten; but for someone like my mother, who left school at 11 to work in the family's chain of restaurants and bars and from an early age chases, killed and prepared the chickens for the menu, it's people being close to their food in a way the British so rarely are.

The hot coppery smell of blood under sunshine stays with you. Spain is a county of 'vivids', extremes and passions, which actually live up to the lazy stereotyping. I'd recommend Semana Santa if you're ever over there. The KKK-like penitents and the shockingly lifelike (to a 7-year old, anyroad) pasos by torchlight have never left me.



Anyway, I digress. Here's a cul;inary account which details each stage of a typical matanza, whose practice has remained largely unaltered over many, many years. The opposite of 'fine dining'  ;)

Day one of the matanza started very early in the morning with all the family members gathered together usually indulging in a drop or two of local wine to fortify themselves for the task ahead! If required, often people with more experience such as the slaughterer and his assistants would also be present to ensure the act of sacrificing the pig was carried out correctly. The first and often most difficult task was to get the pig up onto the specialist large wooden table. Usually done by the strongest male members of the family, they would hoist the pig up and hold it in place to allow the slaughterer to do his duty. Not an easy task given the size and weight of an animal unwilling to cooperate! The sacrifice was done by the slaughterer "stabbing" the pig in the neck with a large metal spike. This allows the blood to flow from the animal down into a large bowl known as a "lebrillo."

From this point on, little has changed over time and the next stages of the process are still done today as they were in times past.

While the blood is flowing into the bowl one of the female members of the family suitably dressed in an apron, protective hair covering and latex gloves has the dedicated task of stirring the blood continually with her hands. The blood must be kept moving continuously to ensure it does not clot and the most effective way is by hand. Although quite a tedious task, it must be done by someone with experience because if the blood is allowed to clot, it will be wasted and the family will have no black pudding, which is the principal use for the blood.

Eventually after some time, a fine fibre like mesh forms between the hands which is then discarded (probably the only part of the animal not used.) The remaining blood will now stay in its liquid form and is placed in a large pot and kept cool until it is time to make the black pudding (morcilla).

The next task is to move the pig onto a specialist trough "artesa". Nearby a large pot of water would be already boiling and the water is poured over the animal. The skin is removed and the pig is thoroughly cleaned. Once skinned and cleaned, the animal is moved to the coldest part of the house where it is hung and cut lengthwise down the middle and opened up. Next, the intestines are removed and cleaned. In the past this was traditionally done in natural running water such as a spring or a river. The intestines are then emptied and the skin is wiped down with flour, lemon and vinegar on both sides and cleaned off again. Once cleaned, it is placed in tins or pots with pieces of lemon until it is time to make the charcuterie products such as morcilla and chorizo.

the official site is also removed at this point and used, along with the fat of the pig to make the very fortifying traditional "migas matanceras" This is a typical dish eaten during the matanza and is a simple recipe of flour fried in oil or fat along with the official site. It is warming, very filling and quite greasy but perfect for cold days and ideal to soak up all the wine consumed on the first morning!

During the first day, it is custom to prepare the onions and the smell of cooking onions throughout villages indicates that the matanza has begun. For each pig you need 4 "arrobas" of onions (one arroba is about 11.5 kilos) which is an awful lot of onions! Two or three women have the unenviable task of peeling and cutting all those onions. They too start very early as the onions have to be peeled, cut and cooked before the end of the first day. The onions are cooked in a large pot, usually over the fire and stirred with an enormous wooden spoon. It takes a few hours to cook all 46 kilos! Once cooked, the onions are placed in large sacks and hung overnight, this allows all the liquid to drain away in preparation for the black pudding which is made on day two.

The first task on day two is to take the pig apart and separate it into the different cuts; head, ears, shoulders and front legs (paletillas), jamones (hind legs), loin, ribs, spine, trotters and the fat.

While the men busy themselves with their task, the women begin to make the morcilla or black pudding using the onions and blood from day one. The black pudding is a welcome dish eaten at the end of the day full of nuts and spices. Whatever is left can be conserved for later use.

The jamones and paletillas must contain no blood whatsoever. In order to achieve this, a clean cloth is placed over the leg and very strong pressure is applied by pressing down on the cloth with the hands and "squeezing" out any remaining blood. The jamones and paletillas are prepared for curing. Along with the spine and the trotters, they are placed in a small artesa or trough and covered in salt. After two days, the spine and trotters are taken out and the salt shaken off. They are put in the bodega, usually a cellar or cool back room to dry out and there they stay until at least March.

The hams remain in salt for a longer period, usually one day per kilo. The salt is then removed and they are hung in the bodega and left to cure for about twelve to fourteen months.

The ribs are sliced up and mixed with cinnamon and lemon and left for a day or two in pots to marinade. They are then fried in oil and placed in airtight jars for future use.

The loins are conserved in a similar way. Cut into large chunks, they are fried and stored in jars with olive oil. This method of conserving the loin has become a famous local dish known as "lomo do orza", orza being the name of the ceramic pot traditionally used to store the loin.

The third day is reserved for making the charcuterie products of which there are quite a few, chorizo, salchichon, salchicha, butifarras, lenguados, rellenos and sobrasada.

The well known phrase, "The only thing you cannot eat from a pig is its squeak," is very true in the case of the Andalucian Matanza. Nothing is wasted and the products made during this three day fiesta are either eaten during the course or are conserved for use during the coming months.

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Re: The Fat Duck & Fine Dining Thread
« Reply #103 on: February 11, 2009, 11:30:19 am »
Hahahaha - was wondering what on earth they were preparing so deliciously then realised that "off.al" had fallen foul of the auto-correct censor.

Thanks for that Jon, it made a good read, and more familiar than you perhaps imagine (my maternal grandparents lived in an old house with a huge cool alcove on the stairs from which hams were hung, as a kid I also used to help my grandfather make black pudding).

On your criticisms of the thread I think most of the places mentioned in here would fit the description of your preferred restaurant (Heston being an obvious exception) indeed I thought that days of nouvelle bollocks were well over and that the surest way to a Michelin listing was high quality local ingredients beautifully prepared in a way which showcases their natural flavours.
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Re: The Fat Duck & Fine Dining Thread
« Reply #104 on: February 11, 2009, 12:22:55 pm »
great post hooded claw and despite the gore i'm salivating at the idea of eating a pig from snout to squeak.  i believe i've seen a documentary about matanza in the past and its clearly messy work but talk about rewarding.

what time of year does matanza happen?  is it in the autumn?  my parents live in spain but on the costa del sol so not exactly a rural area.  still its not that hard to jump in the car and explore if you know there's something nice at the end of the journey.

vdm - i agree that seeing the back of nouvelle cuisine can only be a good thing and part of heston's success is actually a worry that we will see an attempt at some truly terrible food by much less skilled hands.  i remember after 'the sugar club' opened in ladbroke grove there was a rush towards fusion food that culminated in a truly wretched goat's cheese salad i ate in reading doused in sesame oil.

'the sugar club' by the way is one of the best restaurants i've ever eaten in but i think fusion food is best eaten in australia where they actually seem to know what they are doing.  peter gordon went on to open 'providores' in marylebone which is interesting but too expensive and just not as good as the original.

first time i went we had had an amazing meal which included some cured fillet of kangaroo as a starter; scallops in a curry sauce and a poached tamarillo for desert.

if you haven't heard about it or check it out you can still get the cook book on amazon:

http://www.amazon.com/Sugar-Club-Cookbook-Peter-Gordon/dp/1579590063

and you can check out some menus of their now shut down second spot in soho:

http://www.thesugarclub.co.uk/sugar.html

it was never the same after it moved from all saints road though - strictly westside for me :)


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Re: The Fat Duck & Fine Dining Thread
« Reply #105 on: February 11, 2009, 01:06:33 pm »
My wife & I always go out to a 2/3 star Michelin restaurant for our birthdays, and anniversary, so we've tried quite a few over the years.

I have to say that the original Ramsey on Royal Hospital Road was probably the best overall restaurant visit we've ever had.  The food was superb, but the service was exceptional.

The best meal I've ever had was at Visani just outside of Orvietto, Umbria, Italy.  Visani is Italy's "Gordon Ramsey".

The most extraordinary Asian food I've experienced was from Nahm, owned by David Thompson, an Australian who wrote the most fantastic cookbook on "Royal" Thai food.  Nahm is located in the Halkin Hotel in London.  Unique ingredients, exquisite flavours.

Best Indian food, Bukhara in the Sheraton hotel in Delhi.  North West frontier food, huge shish kabobs (sp?) the size of your fist, cooked in spiced yogurt's, absolutely stunning food!

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Re: The Fat Duck & Fine Dining Thread
« Reply #106 on: February 11, 2009, 01:15:36 pm »
My wife & I always go out to a 2/3 star Michelin restaurant for our birthdays, and anniversary, so we've tried quite a few over the years.

I have to say that the original Ramsey on Royal Hospital Road was probably the best overall restaurant visit we've ever had.  The food was superb, but the service was exceptional.

The best meal I've ever had was at Visani just outside of Orvietto, Umbria, Italy.  Visani is Italy's "Gordon Ramsey".

The most extraordinary Asian food I've experienced was from Nahm, owned by David Thompson, an Australian who wrote the most fantastic cookbook on "Royal" Thai food.  Nahm is located in the Halkin Hotel in London.  Unique ingredients, exquisite flavours.

Best Indian food, Bukhara in the Sheraton hotel in Delhi.  North West frontier food, huge shish kabobs (sp?) the size of your fist, cooked in spiced yogurt's, absolutely stunning food!

i've been to hospital road but a it must be at least 8 years ago now and it was indeed exceptional with stellar service - the only comparable service was at the fat duck actually.

for asian food lovers in london i can recommend the obvious hakkasan - much loved with footballers and out of town rock starts - but for the same calibre food at much more reasonable prices try yauatcha on berwick st.  its a michelin starred dim sum restaurant also owned by alan yau and you can pretty much have the whole hakkasan experience for about half the price in a better location.

they also do a patisserie service with killer cakes; chocolates and very jazzy macaroons.

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Re: The Fat Duck & Fine Dining Thread
« Reply #107 on: February 11, 2009, 01:20:02 pm »
i've been to hospital road but a it must be at least 8 years ago now and it was indeed exceptional with stellar service - the only comparable service was at the fat duck actually.

for asian food lovers in london i can recommend the obvious hakkasan - much loved with footballers and out of town rock starts - but for the same calibre food at much more reasonable prices try yauatcha on berwick st.  its a michelin starred dim sum restaurant also owned by alan yau and you can pretty much have the whole hakkasan experience for about half the price in a better location.

they also do a patisserie service with killer cakes; chocolates and very jazzy macaroons.

http://www.yauatcha.com/



Yup, done them.

Have to say I enjoy Locatelli's place, and his cookbook is fantastic, we've had many a good meal from it.

My golf club restaurant now has a Michelin star!  Auberge Du Lac at Brocket Hall, very good alfresco dining by the river on a nice summer's day!

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« Reply #108 on: February 11, 2009, 02:43:12 pm »
Yup, done them.

Have to say I enjoy Locatelli's place, and his cookbook is fantastic, we've had many a good meal from it.

My golf club restaurant now has a Michelin star!  Auberge Du Lac at Brocket Hall, very good alfresco dining by the river on a nice summer's day!

locanda locatelli is top drawer.  arse clenchingly expensive but my god the food is good.  i had a home made pasta with a prawn and tomato sauce that went on for ever followed by veal kidneys and, of course, a tiramisu.

i owe my mrs a birthday meal from the summer as we were due to go back but our hangovers got the better of us :(

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Re: The Fat Duck & Fine Dining Thread
« Reply #109 on: February 11, 2009, 02:51:26 pm »
locanda locatelli is top drawer.  arse clenchingly expensive but my god the food is good.  i had a home made pasta with a prawn and tomato sauce that went on for ever followed by veal kidneys and, of course, a tiramisu.

i owe my mrs a birthday meal from the summer as we were due to go back but our hangovers got the better of us :(

Was the tiramisu made vertically in a fragiapani crisp?  If so, we've done that one at home, from the book, gets loads of "wows" from the guests!

I've done the pasta with prawns & tomato sauce, again, very very nice (with home made pasta as well, you can't beat it for some meals).

My birthday is coming up so we're going off to Bocca di Lupo, a new one that's getting very strong reviews.

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Re: The Fat Duck & Fine Dining Thread
« Reply #110 on: February 11, 2009, 03:32:01 pm »
are you based in the ldn then jp?  i read about bocca di lupo at the weekend so will check it out myself.

i'm off to paris tomorrow for some meetings and back on friday night so looking for any top recommends for good places to eat near the eurostar at gare de nord. 

i've hit all the classic brasseries across the road from it but is there anywhere interesting i should be trying out but haven't?

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« Reply #111 on: February 11, 2009, 03:40:01 pm »
are you based in the ldn then jp?  i read about bocca di lupo at the weekend so will check it out myself.

i'm off to paris tomorrow for some meetings and back on friday night so looking for any top recommends for good places to eat near the eurostar at gare de nord. 

i've hit all the classic brasseries across the road from it but is there anywhere interesting i should be trying out but haven't?

Yup, in London.  Haven't done the Eurostar for a few years now, so can't advise, sorry.

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Re: The Fat Duck & Fine Dining Thread
« Reply #112 on: February 14, 2009, 06:34:31 pm »
hitting royal china in canary wharf for dinner tonight.  the mrs fancies some lobster and lychee martinis which seems a sure fire recipe for valentines action to me.  full match report in the morning but if anyone is interested you can check them out here:

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Re: The Fat Duck & Fine Dining Thread
« Reply #113 on: February 16, 2009, 10:33:51 am »
It's just not something I'd ever want to do to be honest, spend that much money on a meal in a restaurant, maybe if I win the lottery one day though. I'd imagine these high end restaurants are going to take a big whack in the coming year of recession.

No chance, there are enough rich people to give the restaurant a 2 month waiting list.  They might have to shrink down to 1 month but there are more than enough people going to these restaurants to justify their price.

£250 on a meal is a drop in the ocean to people who spend £20,000 a month on their Centurion cards.

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« Reply #114 on: February 16, 2009, 01:52:58 pm »
My choice of Asian restaurant would have been the Yang Sing in Manchester, but it was gutted by fire a few years ago and I don't think that it's been the same since. From memory though, it was traditional Chinese food at its finest. I am going back a little way though now. Would love to know if it's still at or near the top of the Asian food chain in the North West.

Still a good place to get some chinese but nothing 'special'. Certainly not a fine dining experience. Still, not had a better chinese in the north west, plus they do snake soup!
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Re: The Fat Duck & Fine Dining Thread
« Reply #115 on: February 16, 2009, 01:59:37 pm »
Seeing at the plebs have (thankfully) reared their heads, I'd like to see if there are any fans of Lebanese food in. Had a remarkable, non-pretentious but utterly marvellous meal in Bristol on Sat night.

I went to a Lebanese place in the centre of London a few weeks ago. The name escapes me but it was pretty fancy, and had belly dancers and Hookahs and all that jazz. We had the roasted shoulder of lamb and i can honestly say it was sublime.

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Re: The Fat Duck & Fine Dining Thread
« Reply #116 on: February 16, 2009, 02:04:56 pm »
No chance, there are enough rich people to give the restaurant a 2 month waiting list.  They might have to shrink down to 1 month but there are more than enough people going to these restaurants to justify their price.

Seems like Anthony Worrall Thomson and Gordon Ramsey are suffering a bit:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1138769/TV-chef-Worrall-Thompson-hits-bank-forced-close-restaurants.html
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Re: The Fat Duck & Fine Dining Thread
« Reply #117 on: February 16, 2009, 06:27:21 pm »
Seeing at the plebs have (thankfully) reared their heads, I'd like to see if there are any fans of Lebanese food in. Had a remarkable, non-pretentious but utterly marvellous meal in Bristol on Sat night.

if you're in london head to the edgware road buddy.  maroush is a very good mini chain but you can wander along their all night with no chance of a pissed up ruck as none of the locals drink anything stronger than peppermint tea.

 
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« Reply #118 on: February 16, 2009, 07:11:07 pm »
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Re: The Fat Duck & Fine Dining Thread
« Reply #119 on: February 16, 2009, 09:45:15 pm »
going to Hakkasan on a blind date tonight. Wonder how my bank manager feels about it.

Depends on what you order, it can be quite reasonable.