Topic: Brazilian Porn Review Topic (Warning: may contain Wijnaldum)

[RyanBabel19]

That goal was ridiculous, from the run to the great touch and the audacious finish

I've been banging on about it all season but he's only beaten by Van Dijk to player of the season so far. He's having an exceptional season

[red vinyl]

I don’t see many midfielders scoring with that chance,top class movement,touch and finish. Your right about him pushing VVD for player of the season.

[Ratboy3G]

He was fantastic yesterday, I think he should have shot instead of trying to set up Salah but I can understand why he made that choice. Superb finish for his goal and rightly given a ovation when he left the field. So glad he's back, we have missed him.

[Magix]

Had a feeling that Fabinho and Keith in midfield with him might give him a bit more freedom to attack. I've been willing Klopp to play that trip in that formation all season and, while Bournemouth weren't the toughest opposition, they weren't dogshit either, and we were all over them in midfield.

This is the elite step up in midfield in the 4-3-3.  Fab and Naby are as much goal threats themselves while adding more steel.

[CraigDS]

Your right about him pushing VVD for player of the season.

I'd say he's a long way from pushing VVD, but he's certainly in the race for best of the rest.

[Giono]

MOTM and it turns out he had to run to the toilette in a panic at half time because he still had diarrhea. 

[Giono]

Hope the week off does some good for his knee and he doesn't beed those damn laxative tablets.

Can Gini have his thread title back please?

[paulrazor]

he shit all over the midfield on saturday

[spider-neil]

he shit all over the midfield on saturday

[Peabee]

Maybe it was just a soft launch for the imminent announcement of Imodium as a new partner.

[Peabee]

This is the elite step up in midfield in the 4-3-3.  Fab and Naby are as much goal threats themselves while adding more steel.

All three are good at receiving the ball under pressure too, which is something we need in midfield.

[spider-neil]

Instead of making the runs, Gini had the runs.

[Giono]

He did both.

Gini Wijnaldum's streaky runs are infamous.

[farawayred]

Instead of making the runs, Gini had the runs.

He made the runs on the pitch, he made the runs for the runs at half time, then he made more runs on the pitch. Fortunately, they were all in the correct order.

[christofu]

I liked our brown 4th kit. When's it in the shop?

[jepovic]

Great players know the clever tricks that keep opponents away and create that little extra space

[tornado]

On a lighter note, is Gini still has the runs or declares he has the runs before the BM game, does he get more space to operate against the uber hygience conscious Germans

[RedSince86]

<a href="https://www.youtube.com/v/NEyWb50vx4o" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" class="bbc_link bbc_flash_disabled new_win">https://www.youtube.com/v/NEyWb50vx4o</a>

[Giono]

Serge Gnabry thinks that Gini is Liverpool's most important player.


https://www.goal.com/en/news/gnabry-liverpool-are-favourites-but-we-are-bayern/q52z0zhf09q41szuf80teboj9


"Georginio Wijnaldum. When I watch Liverpool games, he's everywhere,"

"He works in the background, bridging the spaces between defence and midfield and has a very large impact on the Liverpool game."

[Jon2lfc]

Serge Gnabry thinks that Gini is Liverpool's most important player.


https://www.goal.com/en/news/gnabry-liverpool-are-favourites-but-we-are-bayern/q52z0zhf09q41szuf80teboj9


"Georginio Wijnaldum. When I watch Liverpool games, he's everywhere,"

"He works in the background, bridging the spaces between defence and midfield and has a very large impact on the Liverpool game."

Agree with the last two sentences.

He was full of energy and endeavour today. But also skill with quite a few twists and turns to free himself from the Utd players and try to get us moving towards their goal. He really is starting to be undroppable, if he aint already.

Had to bump this thread to give him the thumbs up he deserves.


Mods - can we change the title of this thread to make it more "Gini-relevant" - will help those that are not that frequent to this forum.
Plus the 'Porn' bit in the title can get flagged up at work etc. Ta.

[Giono]

Quarantined but still undropable.


Post match threads are busy after a loss (or a draw these days). Players who make a mistake have threads that are constantly busy.


Gini starts every match and you have to go looking for his thread on the 2nd page of threads...That must be a good sign.

[SMASHerano]

I know this will be an unpopular opinion here but for me he is neither creating nor scoring enough for a team that is challenging for the title. I believe he's a good player to have when we want to control a game or tighten up the midfield though.

[Giono]

	SimonBrundish (@SimonBrundish)
	2019-02-25, 6:08 PM Games started and finished in midfield this season Hendo 13 Fab 13 Milner 11 Naby 6 Ghost 22

tell Klopp that Gini isn't good enough to start...for a team challenging for the title.

[Giono]

Another normal performance by Gini "The Rock" Wijnaldum.


I remember when folks in here used to praise pkayers for consistency like Finnan or lately Cyne and his 7 out of 10 performances. This Gini goes to 11.

[SMASHerano]

	SimonBrundish (@SimonBrundish)
	2019-02-25, 6:08 PM Games started and finished in midfield this season Hendo 13 Fab 13 Milner 11 Naby 6 Ghost 22

tell Klopp that Gini isn't good enough to start...for a team challenging for the title.

I wonder whether you noticed how anonymous he was again or not?

[RainbowFlick]

I mean, I don’t think many people think Gini-Henderson in a midfield ever works that well.

Our entire midfield was fairly quiet minus Henderson with some good long passes.

[mrantarctica]

IMO he's been off the boil for a few games now. There was some word that he was perhaps carrying an injury or illness? Any truth to this?

His tackles, interceptions, key passes, shots, assists, goals, dribbles, dribbles past etc. are all very unremarkable - not exactly anything to write home about and nowhere near the best in the league. He looks jaded, devoid of ideas and actually looks leggy most games. Perhaps he just needs a breather ?

[BabuYagu]

IMO he's been off the boil for a few games now. There was some word that he was perhaps carrying an injury or illness? Any truth to this?

His tackles, interceptions, key passes, shots, assists, goals, dribbles, dribbles past etc. are all very unremarkable - not exactly anything to write home about and nowhere near the best in the league. He looks jaded, devoid of ideas and actually looks leggy most games. Perhaps he just needs a breather ?

For me, it always boils down to a simple question.

Is the midfield unbalanced?

If yes, Gini will be the player trying to solve the problem. His performance will be tactical, not individual.

Replace that player with someone who focuses on their individual performance over tactical (e.g., Can last season, Milner yesterday) and you get an even bigger shit show. Because the one guy working to keep it together is replaced with someone who just sees the game in terms of the ball.

I don't even bother analysing too deeply any more performances where the midfield is unbalanced. There really isn't a point. It will be a shit show. Some will have good numbers as they chase around after the ball. Their fans will say "at least they are getting on the ball and trying to make something happen". But the collective will look shite. It also ignores the fact the ones getting more of the ball are usually most of the problem.

[Giono]

The two best midfields I have seen this season were Gini - Keita - Milner in the first few weeks and Fab = Keita - Gini a few weeks back. In both those cases we had control, we moved the ball quickly, and they supported each other and alternated joining play further forward. There is no statistic for that.

[mrantarctica]

For me, it always boils down to a simple question.

Is the midfield unbalanced?

If yes, Gini will be the player trying to solve the problem. His performance will be tactical, not individual.

Replace that player with someone who focuses on their individual performance over tactical (e.g., Can last season, Milner yesterday) and you get an even bigger shit show. Because the one guy working to keep it together is replaced with someone who just sees the game in terms of the ball.

I don't even bother analysing too deeply any more performances where the midfield is unbalanced. There really isn't a point. It will be a shit show. Some will have good numbers as they chase around after the ball. Their fans will say "at least they are getting on the ball and trying to make something happen". But the collective will look shite. It also ignores the fact the ones getting more of the ball are usually most of the problem.

What is he doing that is solving the problems in our midfield? If we measure the things that players actually do on the pitch, and his numbers are low, then would that not suggest that he's just not doing that much?

Don't get me wrong, when he's at his best I think he can be a tremendous player. He's good on the ball, can dribble well, can pick a pass, and can get up and support attacks. He's strong in the challenge, and makes very few unforced errors. We know he can score goals because he was scoring frequently before he became a more deep lying player with us. However, I was trying to highlight that I think his contributions have gone down of late, and I wonder if he's been carrying a mild injury and playing within himself.

[Too early for flapjacks?]

I just think the higher up the pitch his stock position is in a game the less effective he is as each role requires you to bring something a little different to the side. It's quite clear that he has a good understanding of all the roles in midfield but doesn't necessarily have the skillset to play all of them at an elite or close to elite level. I like him as a 6 and if we switch to a double pivot at some point I think others will find it hard to dislodge him from the side.

[Giono]

I just think the higher up the pitch his stock position is in a game the less effective he is as each role requires you to bring something a little different to the side. It's quite clear that he has a good understanding of all the roles in midfield but doesn't necessarily have the skillset to play all of them at an elite or close to elite level. I like him as a 6 and if we switch to a double pivot at some point I think others will find it hard to dislodge him from the side.

In his career he had not played 6 before. Have you seen him pkay for the Netherlands? He has been an attacking pkayer for most of his career in the Netherlands and certainly at Newcastle.

His fault is that he takes repsonsability in midfield and Klopp wants him to protect our attack as well as linking up. So he looks cautious and isn't scoring lots of goals.

He isn't a 6. He looked good early in the season because of his passing and ability to play in a crowd. Something our normal 6 is not strong at. But Gini is not a 6. That's why Klopp resigned Henderson and bought a proper 6.

[Giono]

People rightfully praise Klopp for identifying his transfer targets and focusing on getting them to play a specific role in his tactical framework rather than just buying what he can.

Gini was one of Klopp's first purchases. He was bought to be an 8. He has played almost every match and almost exclusively as an 8 except for others' injuries. His arrival coincided with the masterplan move of Hendo from 8 to 6. He was not bought by Klopp to be a 6.

Klopp bought Gini to play as an 8 and how he plays him.

Gini has looked much better when paired with Lallana (early days before injury) Ox (last season before injury) and Keita . He hasn't had much opportunity to play alongside any of those at all.

[mrantarctica]

I just think the higher up the pitch his stock position is in a game the less effective he is as each role requires you to bring something a little different to the side. It's quite clear that he has a good understanding of all the roles in midfield but doesn't necessarily have the skillset to play all of them at an elite or close to elite level. I like him as a 6 and if we switch to a double pivot at some point I think others will find it hard to dislodge him from the side.

Not sure I agree with this. His early career was very much as an attacking player (winger, 2nd forward, attacking midfielder) on account of pretty good pace, power, low centre of gravity, and good close control. Naturally at 28 he's lost a bit of pace but his technical skills are very good still. I think he's strongest when the team is playing high tempo stuff in advanced areas. He possesses clever movement, a good first touch and has a powerful shot. Like a lot of Dutch players, he is good tactically and turns up in the right place at the right time which is vital for scoring goals.

I think Klopp played him as a more defensive minded player than he has been used to because we didn't have a proper DM, Hendo was still becoming accustomed to the role, and we needed a deeper CM who was good on the ball, and good in tight spaces. Neither Milner nor Hendo provided this last season, and Lallana (apart from being injured all the time) wasn't able to play at CM. We also struggled for pace at the back before VVD came in, and without a genuine DM we needed better protection for our centre halves and fullbacks who were better going forward than backward. Wijnaldum has bridged that gap in our side, whilst Milner became more free to be the creative outlet in our midfield (recall the Milner had the most assists in the CL last year I think).

I think things have changed though. VVD is a colossus at the back, and our fullbacks are now much better defensively. When Gomez plays, its rare to see anyone outrun us at the back. We also purchased a genuinely world class GK who plays as a sweeper, and I think Fabinho has the ingredients to become one of the best DMs in the league as well. As a result, I don't think we need that same level of defensive cover anymore. I would suspect that we will see Wijnaldum revert back to a more attack minded role sooner or later. This will be a good shift because I think we lack goals from midfield and are overly reliant on our front 3 to do the bulk of the scoring. It is always useful to have goals coming from a few different avenues e.g. VVD from set pieces, Trent or Shaqiri on free kicks, and I think if Wijnaldum can get back to the more attacking player he used to be, then it will relieve a lot of pressure on the front 3.

[Too early for flapjacks?]

In his career he had not played 6 before. Have you seen him pkay for the Netherlands? He has been an attacking pkayer for most of his career in the Netherlands and certainly at Newcastle.

His fault is that he takes repsonsability in midfield and Klopp wants him to protect our attack as well as linking up. So he looks cautious and isn't scoring lots of goals.

He isn't a 6. He looked good early in the season because of his passing and ability to play in a crowd. Something our normal 6 is not strong at. But Gini is not a 6. That's why Klopp resigned Henderson and bought a proper 6.

I'm aware he played in more attacking positions and had good goal scoring records for PSV and Newcastle. Haven't seen him play for the Netherlands. But I can only comment on the almost 100 games he has played for us. And from what I've seen in those 90 odd games, he has played at a consistently high level when as a 6. Although admittedly there is a smaller sample with him as a 6. But watching him in that position at the back end of last season I started to question whether we've missed a trick with Gini. Watching him play there this year in the first half of the season convinced me. He is far too hesitant and risk averse on the ball to be getting in around the box. He's more limited as an 8 or 10. He's does a good job as an 8 but I don't think he hit the same heights. Since we've switched to a 4-3-3 he's performances have dropped off for me. From what I've seen he's just below elite level as a 6 and if you combine him with a fully adapted and elite level 6 in Fabinho, that is one hell of double pivot. Not saying he isn't a good 8, but for me he's ceiling is lower there, based on what we've seen in his Liverpool career so far.

[Giono]

I'm aware he played in more attacking positions and had good goal scoring records for PSV and Newcastle. Haven't seen him play for the Netherlands. But I can only comment on the almost 100 games he has played for us. And from what I've seen in those 90 odd games, he has played at a consistently high level when as a 6. Although admittedly there is a smaller sample with him as a 6. But watching him in that position at the back end of last season I started to question whether we've missed a trick with Gini. Watching him play there this year in the first half of the season convinced me. He is far too hesitant and risk averse on the ball to be getting in around the box. He's more limited as an 8 or 10. He's does a good job as an 8 but I don't think he hit the same heights. Since we've switched to a 4-3-3 he's performances have dropped off for me. From what I've seen he's just below elite level as a 6 and if you combine him with a fully adapted and elite level 6 in Fabinho, that is one hell of double pivot. Not saying he isn't a good 8, but for me he's ceiling is lower there, based on what we've seen in his Liverpool career so far.

To be honest and blunt, I don't think we missed a trick with Gini, but rather we missed a trick with Henderson in the six and Gini just showed us that. Henderson has plenty of talents and assets, but ball control and the ability to invite pressure and pass or move around it before starting movements upfield is not one of them. His short passing tends to be backwards and his forward passing tends to be long. I don't write this to be harsh on Hendo, rather just to point out that Gini is the opposite. But I don't think he has the long passing range nor the height (nor Fabinho's telescopic legs!) to play as the 6.

Maybe in a double pivot as you say, but we have not played much like that. Klopp does seem to like his versatile number 8s. We have collected a lot of players that can play as a two-way mumber 8 in Gini, Ox, Keita, Lallana, Milner, and maybe Grujic next season. Heck, even Hendo was moved back there a few matches this season.

[mrantarctica]

To be honest and blunt, I don't think we missed a trick with Gini, but rather we missed a trick with Henderson in the six and Gini just showed us that. Henderson has plenty of talents and assets, but ball control and the ability to invite pressure and pass or move around it before starting movements upfield is not one of them. His short passing tends to be backwards and his forward passing tends to be long. I don't write this to be harsh on Hendo, rather just to point out that Gini is the opposite. But I don't think he has the long passing range nor the height (nor Fabinho's telescopic legs!) to play as the 6.

Maybe in a double pivot as you say, but we have not played much like that. Klopp does seem to like his versatile number 8s. We have collected a lot of players that can play as a two-way mumber 8 in Gini, Ox, Keita, Lallana, Milner, and maybe Grujic next season. Heck, even Hendo was moved back there a few matches this season.

Not sure that Klopp really trusts Lallana as an 8. He seems to be mainly used as cover for the front 3, or as an additional midfielder. I think he really wants solidity, athleticism and error free play in those 2-3 midfield roles, and prefers the spark to come from the front 3. I think this is probably why Shaqiri and Keita are also struggling to get games regularly, and why he'll frequently pick 3 of Gini/Hendo/Milner/Fab.

[Giono]

Not sure that Klopp really trusts Lallana as an 8. He seems to be mainly used as cover for the front 3, or as an additional midfielder. I think he really wants solidity, athleticism and error free play in those 2-3 midfield roles, and prefers the spark to come from the front 3. I think this is probably why Shaqiri and Keita are also struggling to get games regularly, and why he'll frequently pick 3 of Gini/Hendo/Milner/Fab.

I just came in here to post something about Burnley...and... This last post in here aged well.

But I do it all the time too.

Actually today's midfield was a throwback at times to how we played at the beginning of Klopp's first season with Gini and Lallana connecting with the front three.

Gini does look like he is carrying an injury though.

[slotmachine]

Yes i thought Gini and Fabinho were just a level below their norm today. 6/10's rather than the usual 7 or 8/10. Klopp mentioned Gini's struggles after the game. The good thing is Lallana and Hendo are in good form and Keita and Shaq are chomping at the bit to get a game.

[WhereAngelsPlay]

Yes i thought Gini and Fabinho were just a level below their norm today. 6/10's rather than the usual 7 or 8/10. Klopp mentioned Gini's struggles after the game. The good thing is Lallana and Hendo are in good form and Keita and Shaq are chomping at the bit to get a game.

I thought Fab played well & George is one of my favourite players now,this has been his best season by far.