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Offal announce new stadium plans
« on: May 17, 2002, 11:47:23 am »
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Liverpool Football Club today announced that they would like to build a new stadium on Stanley Park - less than 300 yards from the present stadium. Plans for a new stadium, which would hold 55,000 supporters, have been presented to Liverpool City Council after the club investigated no fewer than seven different sites - including expanding the present ground - over the last two years. The new stadium will cost between £60m and £70m to build and could even be ready for the start of the 2005 season. Original plans to construct a new 70,000-seater stadium could have cost the club £120m and a decision was taken by the club to not let the cost of building a new ground interfere with Gerard Houllier's ability to compete for the best players to put out on the pitch.

"What we don't want to do - and what we won't ever do - is lose the focus that the team comes first," Rick Parry told liverpoolfc.tv. "We always want to ensure the revenue is available for the manager to strengthen his squad. That is one reason why we haven't pressed ahead with our original plan for a 70,000 stadium. We don't want to have a huge financial millstone hanging around our necks. Our view is that this stadium is right for our needs. There is still a lot of work to do though and a number of obstacles to overcome yet. It will take time but I hope all of the fans are excited by what they can see."

LFC.TV: What are Liverpool's stadium plans for the future?

Rick Parry: Our preferred option is to build a new stadium on Stanley Park with a capacity of 55,000. It will cost around £60-70 million to build and could be ready for use for the start of the 2005-06 season. The original plan, as you know, was to build a new 70,000-seater stadium but, on economic grounds, we have decided that this is the best option because the cost of building the stadium would be doubled if w e went with our initial design.

What happens now?

Now that we have settled on this as our preferred option we have to take the plans into the local community. This is a very important part of the process.

The important thing to remember here is that a brand new stadium in Anfield would be the major catalyst for the regeneration of the whole area. It would give Anfield and Breckfield a huge lift.

We have worked closely with the local residents so far and that will continue. To date we have only liased with all the representatives in the steering groups, but from now on it will literally be a case of door knocking and speaking to individuals in the area as part of our community consultation. We have appointed a specialist firm to carry this process out. We are sure that everyone will benefit from the building of a brand new stadium.

How will everybody benefit?

We are committed to ensuring the stadium will contribute to the community. There will be benefits for both the community and for the club. Within the design of the stadium there will be room for community sports facilities and we are also looking at different educational initiatives for youngsters in the local area. We also think a new stadium will create a flow of tourism opportunities for the city. A new stadium is potentially a very powerful centrepiece for Anfield and Breckfield.


Will the stadium still be named 'Anfield'?

Yes. We have no intention of selling our name. The stadium will still be in Anfield so that is what it will be called.

What will happen to the site of the present stadium?

The agreement is that there will be no loss of public open space if we build a new stadium. The boundaries of Stanley Park will be redrawn and that means the present site will become public open space. We don't dictate what happens to that space.

Do you have any preferences for what happens to it?

We would hope that there is scope for something which is a legacy to the existing stadium. One possibility is a memorial garden because a number of people have had their ashes scattered on the current pitch.

What about the Hillsborough memorial?

Of course the Hillsborough memorial would be uppermost in our thoughts when we make the plans. The same applies to the re-siting of the Paisley and Shankly gates.

I believe we can achieve good linkages from the new site to the present one without losing our heritage. Don't forget we are proposing to only move about two hundred yards.

Why did you decide against wanting to increase the capacity of the current stadium?


It would be very difficult to increase the size of the current stadium to what we want. We are very short on space and the implications of re-building the Main Stand would be considerable. Of course we would cope and we would get through it, as we did when we re-built the Kop, but we would be looking at three years of disruption as the building work was carried out. Re-building the Main Stand would be a much bigger job than re-building the Kop because of all the facilities and the dressing rooms within the Main Stand. We would have to considerably reduce the capacity within the stadium for a long period of time.

Also, when we were building the new Kop we weren't playing European football and there weren't as many midweek games as there are today. It was a case back then of the builders doing the work during the week and then handing the stadium back to us for weekend games. That just wouldn't be possible today and the logistics of redeveloping Anfield are just massive.

There was also some talk of a possible ground move to Speke?

As part of the process we had to look at as many options as possible and in the end we probably considered seven or eight different locations. But we always wanted to remain in Anfield. This is where this club belongs and it is where we want to stay.

What is the reaction of the club's Board to these plans?

It's a very emotional issue and moving from Anfield is not a decision that has been taken lightly. We have had to look at what is in the best interests of the club in the future. We have also been guided by what is best for the regeneration of the area. We must keep up with the game's other leading clubs.


A new stadium would give more fans the chance to see the team play and, after all, that's what this is all about. There will be games when we still don't have enough seats for cater to everybody, we know that. But we genuinely feel that this is the right step forward for us.

How excited are you by these plans?

Very excited, but my opinion isn't relevant really. Hopefully the fans will see this and agree that the club is going places in every respect.

What we don't want to do - and what we won't ever do - is lose the focus that the team comes first. We always want to ensure the revenue is available for the manager to strengthen his squad. That is one reason why we haven't pressed ahead with our original plan for a 70,000 stadium. We don't want to have a huge financial millstone hanging around our necks. Our view is that this stadium is right for our needs.

There is still a lot of work to do though and a number of obstacles to overcome yet. It will take time but I hope all of the fans are excited by what they can see.
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Re:Offal announce new stadium plans
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Re:Offal announce new stadium plans
« Reply #2 on: May 17, 2002, 11:50:02 am »
I note in particular the following point...

What will happen to the site of the present stadium?

The agreement is that there will be no loss of public open space if we build a new stadium. The boundaries of Stanley Park will be redrawn and that means the present site will become public open space. We don't dictate what happens to that space.

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Re:Offal announce new stadium plans
« Reply #3 on: May 17, 2002, 11:51:18 am »
I propose sit ins till they fuckin well reconsider.....

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Re:Offal announce new stadium plans
« Reply #4 on: May 17, 2002, 11:54:00 am »
My first reaction is that I'm sorry to see us leave.

My second reaction is to the cutting of the capacity from 75,000 to 55,000 - Is this really going to cure anything? Will the design allow expansion in the future when it's decided that we *do* need 65-80,000?
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Re:Offal announce new stadium plans
« Reply #5 on: May 17, 2002, 11:54:50 am »
WTF the second pic on the left - there are gaps in between the stands. I hate this in grounds - atmosphere doesnt stay in and it looks loads better with it joining all the way round.


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Re:Offal announce new stadium plans
« Reply #6 on: May 17, 2002, 11:56:18 am »

My first reaction is that I'm sorry to see us leave.

My second reaction is to the cutting of the capacity from 75,000 to 55,000 - Is this really going to cure anything? Will the design allow expansion in the future when it's decided that we *do* need 65-80,000?


Not without spending a shit load of money on it,  surely its much cheaper to build in the "redundancy" now than  come back in a few years time and knock big chunks off to rebuild.

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« Reply #7 on: May 17, 2002, 12:01:08 pm »
Are these pictures we have seen plans for what the stadium really will look like?

It seems to be exactly what I didnt want - its just a pride park stadium with a curved roof - and as laddo said those holes in the corner wont do anything for the atmosphere.

Hopefully these pics arent the finished design and hopefully the club will let the fans have their say on what is going to happen - mind you the fans havent been asked if they want to move from Anfield Rd so im not holding my breath

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Re:Offal announce new stadium plans
« Reply #8 on: May 17, 2002, 12:32:05 pm »
Can we just have a proper stadium whether it the old anfield or the new one and no poxy wavy roof.

And if there is no redundancy built in to raise it from 55000 i can't see the point of moving.

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Re:Offal announce new stadium plans
« Reply #9 on: May 17, 2002, 12:32:58 pm »
i feel like somebody has ripped out my heart and trodden on it! i fuckign hate the club! still calling it anfield....twats! why fucking build a new pne if it will still be called anfield....pricks! not liek we are gonna need such a big stadium. also do thye not give a fuck abotu history??? and the atmospeher will be wank....for fucks sake...you money grabbing rpicks!
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« Reply #10 on: May 17, 2002, 12:55:13 pm »
Actually, as the article from Anfield4Ever implies, the club has been good over recent months with regard to consulting with supporters, etc.

We DO need such a big stadium.  Look at the queues for the big games.  Although 55,000 seems a bit of a halfway house solution.  I'd like to have seen the club go for 70,000 personally - make it the biggest.

We don't sell out for meagre cup games v Grimsby.  So what?  A stadium doesn't need to be full every single game to be financially prudent.  It will just give the club the chance to try more generous and experimental ticketing policies.

Rest assured the club will offer the prices which guarantee the highest possible income, and if this means moving grounds and having empty seats occassionally, that's what will happen.  If it means lower prices, it will happen.

On the atmosphere : you get no end of whinging about how the atmosphere is shit at Anfield now...

On the subject of history and tradition : this is a tougher one as this sort of thing is impossible to quantify.  It's down to the individual person as to how important they consider it to be.  For my part, I wonder what people remain so emotionally attached to at Anfield.  The Kop, the Kemlyn side and the Anfield Road End have changed beyond recognition in the last 10 or so years.  The Main Stand would have to change if we stayed.

So it's not the bricks and mortar we remain attached to.  Neither is it the pitch - that's changed thousands of times.  If it's the area then that will be unaffected - same pubs, matchday routines, etc.  It must just be the general ethos of the place, and I for one think that can be maintained in a new ground.

Houllier's got it about right.  He gets a bit prickly when asked about this club's success in the past.  He acknowledges it of course, but is adamant that it shouldn't become a weight round the neck of his current side.  The same applies to the ground really.  If we don't go now we never will - we're generally accepted to be on the edge of something big - demand for tickets is going to increase.

As for this thing of football's bubble bursting... it's here to stay - it's not a fad anymore.
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Re:Offal announce new stadium plans
« Reply #11 on: May 17, 2002, 12:59:06 pm »
I am not surprised.

I am not really that disappointed.

I want to go to more games; this is the case for many people who visit this forum. Many more want season tickets; Anfield cannot and could not meet the demand.

My main concern relates to the prospects for expansion in the future, but I think Laddo has identified the opportunity with the 'gaps' in the corners. I would be interested to know if they are purposely left to offer expansion opportunities at a later date. That could add 8000-10000 seats in the future.

This is the 21st century. If you want your team to compete with the Real Madrids, Manchester Uniteds, and Barcelonas of this world, we need a 21st century stadium which is able to assist with this desire. In the 20th century the old Anfield was one of the greatest club stadiums in the World. Now we need to create a stadium (and atmosphere...) which will enable the team to maintain its position at the forefront of world football.

Not sure about the wavy roof, mind you...

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« Reply #12 on: May 17, 2002, 01:00:17 pm »
It looks like a cross between one of the Korean stadiums, the proposed Wembly and the Britannia Stadium Stoke City play in...in short...nothing like Anfield.

Look at the pictures...we're so far away from the pitch! And there's gaps in the stands...if they wanted 55K then why not just expand the Main Stand as that'd take an extra 10K...which is all it's going up by anyway!

Bah..in short..(and I don't mind voicing this opinion!)..I think it's fuckin' horrible!

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« Reply #13 on: May 17, 2002, 01:21:46 pm »
Increase the main stand by 10,000?  Are you serious?  And just where are you putting these 10,000 extra seats?  To increase the main stand by that amount you'd need to build something comparative to the huge North Stand at Old Trafford (spit) and to do that you'd need to go back about 5 streets, and you aint gonna shift 5 streets of anfield residents I'm telling you.

I'm not saying I agree with the proposals this morning but what you're saying is ridicoulous.

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Re:Offal announce new stadium plans
« Reply #14 on: May 17, 2002, 01:24:17 pm »
I don't think that the stands are that far away from the pitch. That little pic makes it look like we are miles away.

But i looked closer at it and  I think its the shadowing of it that makes it look like that. there was a bigger pic on offal..... which i will try and put on here now




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« Reply #15 on: May 17, 2002, 01:30:45 pm »
I'm one for moving to a bigger, better stadium but that is a pile of shite.  It's fair enough that they don't want to blow too much money at once at the expense of the team, but that stadium doesn't look like it can grow easily at all.  Arsenal are going for 70,000; Mancs will be around that mark soon enough; 55,000 is not going to be enough to pull the £'s in.  And what's with the gaps?
1. No bloody atmosphere at all
2. Cold.

Wembley with everything closer to the pitch is how it should be done.  If we can't do it properly we shouldn't do it at all.
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« Reply #16 on: May 17, 2002, 01:38:46 pm »
I thought Arsenal were only looking for around the 60000 mark or have they upgraded their proposals since they originally asked for planning permission.
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« Reply #17 on: May 17, 2002, 01:51:35 pm »
I think that pic is a bit misleading as far as the distance between the pitch and the stand.

As somebody who has regularly failed to get a ticket and is way down the season ticket list I know we have to move on. However 55k seems far too low an amount, the corners look stupid and the roof is iffy looking, besides that the plan is fine.

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« Reply #18 on: May 17, 2002, 01:53:27 pm »
The problem with a bowl design, as I believe, is that it makes it harder to grow the grass if it is in permanent shadow so I think the idea of having the open corners is to allow sunlight/ventilation.

I've been fairly neutral until now on whether to move or not. I've been mindful of the historical aspects of staying but have also been mindful of the benefits of starting with a clean sheet.

BUT

The idea of moving was to increase the capacity beyond that which we could reach at the present site.

The idea of moving was to allow the club to reach out to fans more.

The idea of moving was to prevent the ground from being hemmed in by further expansion.

These plans do not achieve these aims! As such I do not think they are an adequate alternative to redeveloping Anfield.
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« Reply #19 on: May 17, 2002, 02:09:55 pm »
Club are doing it on the cheap.

Bloody typical.

When they re-developed the Kemlyn rd a few years ago they did it on the cheap, eg/ lack of leg room etc.

When they did the Anny Rd up they fucked it up (pillars needed).

I dont want to move. But if we do move it has to be done right.

The current plans are shite.

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« Reply #20 on: May 17, 2002, 02:22:23 pm »

Club are doing it on the cheap.

Bloody typical.

When they re-developed the Kemlyn rd a few years ago they did it on the cheap, eg/ lack of leg room etc.

When they did the Anny Rd up they fucked it up (pillars needed).

I dont want to move. But if we do move it has to be done right.

The current plans are shite.

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That sums it up for me.

To move at all is hard to contemplate.

But to have to move to accomodate a 70,000 stadium, which the current site could never accomodate, would be hard to argue about logically.

This seems ham-fisted.

Is giving up our legacy, our history, our ancestral home for 10,000 seats worth it?

I doubt it.

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« Reply #21 on: May 17, 2002, 03:19:28 pm »
Some responses on the BBC site

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport/hi/english/sports_talk/newsid_1993000/1993272.stm

  Friday, 17 May, 2002, 10:48 GMT 11:48 UK
Should Liverpool move from Anfield?

 
Liverpool have unveiled plans to build a new 55,000 all-seater stadium at Stanley Park.
Are the Reds right to go for greater capacity at the expense of tradition?

 Anfield has been the home of Liverpool Football Club since 1892, and fans hold its history and traditions dear.

But the current capacity of 45,000 - over 20,000 less than Old Trafford - is insufficient to meet demand, and club chiefs are keen to expand.

And a move to a state-of-the-art stadium would cement Liverpool's status in the Premiership's elite.

Despite opposition from local residents, the board are determined to have the new stadium, which would still be called Anfield, ready for the 2005 season.

Is a move the way forward for Liverpool?

Should any football club be thinking of expanding in the present unsettled financial climate that the whole of football is experiencing? Why don't the Premiership donate some of their millions to the struggling lower leagues and save the sport, not better themselves.
Sarah Parnell, England

I have been a Liverpool fan most of my life and feel that Anfield is a great stadium. However, anyone who went to Anfield before 1989 and then didn't go until 2002 would probably not recognise the place.

Therefore, why should we continue to build onto the current stadium when it bears no resemblance to the original Anfield. We need to move to expand.
Gareth Jones, Germany

They should be honest and say they are not interested in the extra 10,000 fans who will get into the new ground, but all the extra space they would have for corporate sponsors and exec boxes etc.

Losing all the heritage of Anfield for little benefit for the average real fans is not on. Stay at Anfield.
Keith, UK

I fully agree that Liverpool need to move to a new stadium in order to fulfil their fan base potential. However, I think the new stadium plans are slight short-sighted in adding only 10,000 to their current capacity. With Everton about to unveil plans for a £125m new stadium, it would make a lot of sense to join forces and build a major new stadium on Merseyside. After all, the two giants in Milan achieved it.
David Uden, UK

Building an entire new stadium just to increase capacity by 10,000 is a poor, poor decision, and shows a chronic lack of ambition and confidence. This is the one chance Liverpool have to set their stall out for the next 50 years... why on earth have they not gone for the 70,000 seater option?

Rick Parry says that it would be too much of a financial millstone - nonsense. If there's one team in the country that could fill a large stadium for every game, it's Liverpool. Mr Parry, you have made an extremely bad decision.
Andy, UK

LFC have needed serious alterations to their stadium for a while now with Anfield looking tired with too many restricted view seats. With the massive disruption caused by expanding a ground while a team still playing there being immense, I agree that the best option is to move.

It will be a loss to leave the heritage of Anfield behind, but how much of this heritage is instilled in the stadium itself? Surely what makes a ground is the team and the fans and the atmosphere they create, more than anything else.

I do feel that the disruption caused by moving seems a big price to pay for only a 10,000 seat increase in capacity. The new stadium capacity will be Ok for now, but what if demand increases further in ten years time and the club feel then that they are missing out on potential revenue?

Does modern stadia design allow modular additions in the future or will we have to build a new ground and move then?

With the plan for LFC involving being in the Champions League year-in year-out, surely the club could fill more than 55,000 on such occasions. Although 55,000 is the optimum capacity for the ground now, are the club showing a lack of ambition for the future?
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« Reply #22 on: May 17, 2002, 03:23:15 pm »
i know what our (shite) new stadium is expected to cost but does any know what the millenium sadium costed? Ours is shite, why spend £70m on effectivley 10,000 more seats, and those gaps, it reminds me of that pile of shit in north london and we know what the atmosphere (is that the right word) is like there.
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« Reply #23 on: May 17, 2002, 03:26:00 pm »
I think Cardiff cost approx £125 - 130 million to build.
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« Reply #24 on: May 17, 2002, 03:26:20 pm »
It cost approx £105million and that included having to demolish the old stadium before hand.
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Re:Offal announce new stadium plans
« Reply #25 on: May 17, 2002, 03:28:24 pm »
The Millenium Stadium cost around £120m and was funded mostly by the National Lottery good-causes kitty.

Just read this quote from Rick Parry on icLiverpool.co.uk (presumably from the Echo):

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"The new plans are expandable to 60,000 seats without altering the roof."


I assume this means filling in the corners? So why not do this from the outset? 5,000 more seats = around £125,000 a game (over £2m a season just for league games) more at todays ticket prices. Surley the cost for at least these 5,000 seats can be justified - and those bastard corners can get filled in at the same time. Everyone wins!

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Re:Offal announce new stadium plans
« Reply #26 on: May 17, 2002, 05:11:35 pm »
If Liverpool FC relocate then 70.000 capacity is the only option that is worthwhile. Piss about with a small increase in size for all that aggro is silly. How is anyone even considering it?  I would support a new stadium if it were fit to play host to the CL Final. The new design clearly would not fit the bill and must be rejected.  All that airy fairy wavy stuff  :no. We need a commanding structure- not this blowaway MDF. Liverpool are the biggest club in the world. What is the problem? The money must be found for 70.000 seats with a massive Kop like Stand at one end.

I would prefer to stay where we are but for along time the ground could only hold 30000 or so as the Main Stand would be out of bounds due to construction.

The TV camera position may well have to move as well for that work- but where to?

Go and find the money Rick- It is out there.

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Re:Offal announce new stadium plans
« Reply #27 on: May 17, 2002, 05:32:00 pm »
Does anyone else think there might be a big signing soon to try and distract people?

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Re:Offal announce new stadium plans
« Reply #28 on: May 17, 2002, 07:22:44 pm »
i know our new stadium is pretty crap but if u want cheering up look at arsenals new one
www.arsenal.com/images/stad09.jpg
now that is crap!
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Re:Offal announce new stadium plans
« Reply #29 on: May 17, 2002, 09:49:37 pm »
Arse's looks 10 times better than ours... Least it hasnt got shitted up corners

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Re:Offal announce new stadium plans
« Reply #30 on: May 17, 2002, 10:29:51 pm »
Dunno what to say - its all gutting!!

The new "pics" look better than i'd feared but still worse than i'd have wanted

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Re:Offal announce new stadium plans
« Reply #31 on: June 17, 2002, 11:30:38 pm »
Everton's proposed new stadium looks better than ours.

Fuck me, Liverpool FC have really got it wrong this time.
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Re:Offal announce new stadium plans
« Reply #32 on: June 17, 2002, 11:56:10 pm »

Everton's proposed new stadium looks better than ours.

Fuck me, Liverpool FC have really got it wrong this time.


C'mon mate it aint that bad. at least it is a football stadium which we are paying for, unlike the blue multi-purpose ten miles from the seats to the pitch hockey rink messing the pitch up mess that some Americans are building and letting everton play in!

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Re:Offal announce new stadium plans
« Reply #33 on: June 19, 2002, 11:29:20 am »

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C'mon mate it aint that bad. at least it is a football stadium which we are paying for, unlike the blue multi-purpose ten miles from the seats to the pitch hockey rink messing the pitch up mess that some Americans are building and letting everton play in!


Yeah but the pics of theirs still looks better than ours!

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Re:Offal announce new stadium plans
« Reply #34 on: June 19, 2002, 01:04:58 pm »
I understand Everton's will be a tilting stadium.

So when they play shite, we can just tip it up and slide the team and fans into the river.

Sorry, i said WHEN.

Need me head seeing to.

After every game it will be tilted.
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Re:Offal announce new stadium plans
« Reply #35 on: July 3, 2002, 05:40:36 pm »
Are there any pictures of Arse's proposed new library out there??
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Re:Offal announce new stadium plans
« Reply #36 on: July 3, 2002, 05:54:05 pm »
The proposals are here :

http://www.sportsvenue-technology.com/projects/arsenal/

Yer lazy bastard  :P

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Re:Offal announce new stadium plans
« Reply #37 on: July 3, 2002, 06:09:58 pm »

Yer lazy bastard  :P


Cheers Luke... and yup you're right.  In fact I've been sat down, polishing my arse all day like the lazy bum I am.  ;D

...and Arsenal's stadium / redevelopment looks fabulous (be honest it does).  But then if you're selling prime real estate and converted listed flats to Nick Hornby and friends then I guess the sky's the limit.

One good point though: I see their plans have corporate boxes AND two tiers all the way round.  Which IMHO will affect the atmosphere no end... so as long as we get the single tier Kop we've been promised, I think we can escape the Pride Park / Friend's Provident / Walkers fun sponge effect that an anonymous bowl would have.  ;D
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Re:Offal announce new stadium plans
« Reply #38 on: July 22, 2002, 01:32:18 pm »
 ???
I think the fact that they're gonna move us for the sake of 10,000 seats is crazy. The design is shite too.
If they're gonna go then it has to be the bigger 70-80 tousand seater stadium.