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Re: A Song of Ice and Fire
« Reply #80 on: January 30, 2012, 03:39:17 pm »
Not a massive fan of fantasy books but I loved reading this series.  The books have an almost cinematic nature to them which makes you unable to put them down.

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Re: A Song of Ice and Fire
« Reply #81 on: January 30, 2012, 04:11:39 pm »
I think the Amazon people just knocked up a random description to be honest. Pretty sure there isn't supposed to be two parts to Dance, unless it was released in two books in the UK maybe?

Fairly sure we will not seen another full book for a couple of years, which will be The Winds of Winter.
Maybe because it is the paperback they release it in two books, that's all I can think of.

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Re: A Song of Ice and Fire
« Reply #82 on: January 30, 2012, 04:11:55 pm »
Why would they bring it out as Part 2 then? Doesn't make any sense. Would like this clarified though because there's no way I'm buying the same book twice for no good reason.

Buggers, they're re-releasing it in 2 parts on the same day. Fuck that.

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Re: A Song of Ice and Fire
« Reply #83 on: January 30, 2012, 04:57:57 pm »
Buggers, they're re-releasing it in 2 parts on the same day. Fuck that.

Aww what the fuck?

Cancelling order.

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« Reply #84 on: February 3, 2012, 07:45:22 pm »
Just polished off a Feast For Crows, overall I really came around on it after struggling with it initially.

I really warmed to Brienne after her storyline finally picked up (her early chapters could easily have been cut out), her naïveté and stubborn honour are charming and quite refreshing after the deviousness of all the other characters. She reminds me of Ned a bit.

Cersei's chapters were great as well, a very convincing and entertaining portrayal of a psychopath. It's quite funny how convinced she is of her intelligence and cunning despite how rubbish and transparent her schemes are. Very pleased with the outcome of her story as well.

Surprised how much I'm rooting for Jamie now after despising the flash twat in the first couple of books. I did a fist pump at the conclusion of his last chapter ;)

Still, I did really miss Jon, Tyrion and Dany. Can't wait to get stuck into Dance with Dragons.
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Re: A Song of Ice and Fire
« Reply #85 on: February 10, 2012, 02:18:59 am »
Just about 1/4 of the way through Clash Of Kings at the moment.

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The last Dany chapter was really tough in places I thought. She's trying to buy her army to cross the narrow sea and take the Iron throne, and some of the bits about the unsullied army are really tough. Not that they are all eunuchs, but that after one year of training they have to go and kill a baby in front of their mother. Also they are given a puppy and after a year they must strangle it to death.

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Re: A Song of Ice and Fire
« Reply #86 on: February 10, 2012, 02:09:41 pm »
Just finished Dance With Dragons.

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

Now I have to wait years for the next one. Idiot.
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Re: A Song of Ice and Fire
« Reply #87 on: February 10, 2012, 02:13:53 pm »
Just finished Dance With Dragons.

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

Now I have to wait years for the next one. Idiot.

Me too. I enjoyed it much more than Feast for Crows, probably because it dealt much more with my favourite characters. How long till the next one?

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« Reply #88 on: February 10, 2012, 02:19:50 pm »
Me too. I enjoyed it much more than Feast for Crows, probably because it dealt much more with my favourite characters. How long till the next one?

No way of knowing unfortunately going by Martin's track record. Didn't he say DWD was going to be 'next year' every year since 2005?
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Re: A Song of Ice and Fire
« Reply #89 on: February 11, 2012, 12:18:35 am »
Just finished Dance With Dragons.

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

Now I have to wait years for the next one. Idiot.

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It's okay. I'm sure Jon's not going to be killed off permanently with Melisandre waiting around.
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Re: A Song of Ice and Fire
« Reply #90 on: February 11, 2012, 01:16:06 am »
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It's okay. I'm sure Jon's not going to be killed off permanently with Melisandre waiting around.
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I did wonder - you know in the back of the book where it has all the houses and their people - he's not in brackets like all the other dead ones
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Re: A Song of Ice and Fire
« Reply #91 on: February 11, 2012, 10:42:35 am »
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I did wonder - you know in the back of the book where it has all the houses and their people - he's not in brackets like all the other dead ones
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Nah, I don't think he'll die just yet. It'll be a bit like when Arya got hit in the head with The Hounds axe, and then a few chapters later she was still there. I think Jon Snow, Bran and Arya are going to have a big part in the next couple of books.
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« Reply #92 on: February 12, 2012, 02:06:42 pm »
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Was reading around various ASOFAI websites earlier and came across the theory of Jon Snow actually being the son of Rhaegar Targaryen and Lyanna Stark. I'd never thought of it before but it seems widely accepted and the evidence does seem pretty compelling.

I really like the idea and it puts Jon's role in the upcoming war into a very different light because, I think, he has the most rightful claim to the throne. Especially if the Wall falls
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Re: A Song of Ice and Fire
« Reply #93 on: February 12, 2012, 02:13:24 pm »
Spoilers mate!

Only on book three here.
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« Reply #94 on: February 12, 2012, 02:20:33 pm »
I'll go and put it in spoilers but I dont think it's a spoiler is it? Just a fan theory and speculation of what is to come, the idea comes from what is hinted at in the first book as well.
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Re: A Song of Ice and Fire
« Reply #95 on: February 12, 2012, 02:42:47 pm »
About 3/4 through GoT. It started off absolutely brilliantly, and its still getting better

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Re: A Song of Ice and Fire
« Reply #96 on: February 12, 2012, 03:27:34 pm »
Ahhh.. R+L=J. I hope it's not true. I rather like Jon the way he is.

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Re: A Song of Ice and Fire
« Reply #97 on: February 12, 2012, 03:45:53 pm »
I'll go and put it in spoilers but I dont think it's a spoiler is it? Just a fan theory and speculation of what is to come, the idea comes from what is hinted at in the first book as well.
Well I now know the wall won't be falling in the next three books, which looks a very immediate possibility at this juncture.

Not to worry though, mate. Just need to read faster!
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« Reply #98 on: February 12, 2012, 06:16:14 pm »
Well I now know the wall won't be falling in the next three books, which looks a very immediate possibility at this juncture.

Not to worry though, mate. Just need to read faster!

Ah yeah, sorry about that mate. Didn't even think of that.

How are you getting on with Clash of Kings by the way? Dying to know what you think of certain events ;)

As for the theory...

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I quite like it, Jon's is one of the few characters you would actually like to see on the throne. Him and Dany teaming up to take over the kingdom would be a great end to the story.

Although going be Martin's track record that would be too much of a happy ending, which he definitely doesn't specialise in
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Re: A Song of Ice and Fire
« Reply #99 on: February 12, 2012, 08:58:50 pm »
Ah yeah, sorry about that mate. Didn't even think of that.

How are you getting on with Clash of Kings by the way? Dying to know what you think of certain events ;)

As for the theory...

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I quite like it, Jon's is one of the few characters you would actually like to see on the throne. Him and Dany teaming up to take over the kingdom would be a great end to the story.

Although going be Martin's track record that would be too much of a happy ending, which he definitely doesn't specialise in
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Struggling to get into it, although...

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Dany and Irri are most likely about to les up together, which should be good! Not much of Tyrion so far, and Arya is kind of in the same situation she was in 500 pages ago. Always on the run. But still, she's a really good character, so it never gets too boring.

Actually quite enjoying John's chapters beyond the wall. Interesting to see his relationship develop with the king beyond the wall and Ygritte of course.
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Re: A Song of Ice and Fire
« Reply #100 on: February 12, 2012, 09:02:26 pm »
A Game of Thrones
A Clash of Kings
A Storm of Swords
A Feast for Crows
A Dance with Dragons
The Winds of Winter
A Dream of Spring

Are they all worth reading, or is it like The Dark Tower where it goes to shit and makes you wish you'd dropped it halfway through

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Re: A Song of Ice and Fire
« Reply #101 on: February 13, 2012, 06:37:55 am »
A Game of Thrones
A Clash of Kings
A Storm of Swords
A Feast for Crows
A Dance with Dragons
The Winds of Winter
A Dream of Spring

Are they all worth reading, or is it like The Dark Tower where it goes to shit and makes you wish you'd dropped it halfway through

Well; the last two haven't been out yet so its difficult to say ;)

Upto the fifth it has been good and all indications are that the finale will be a cracker.
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Re: A Song of Ice and Fire
« Reply #102 on: February 13, 2012, 01:50:36 pm »
Cannot believe...

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Dany sold Drogon for the Unsullied army. He'll end up tearing Viserion and Rhaegal apart I bet!
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Re: A Song of Ice and Fire
« Reply #103 on: February 13, 2012, 01:53:29 pm »
Cannot believe...

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Dany sold Drogon for the Unsullied army. He'll end up tearing Viserion and Rhaegal apart I bet!
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Re: A Song of Ice and Fire
« Reply #104 on: February 13, 2012, 02:22:45 pm »
Cannot believe...

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Dany sold Drogon for the Unsullied army. He'll end up tearing Viserion and Rhaegal apart I bet!
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Re: A Song of Ice and Fire
« Reply #105 on: February 13, 2012, 02:59:48 pm »
Cannot believe...

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Dany sold Drogon for the Unsullied army. He'll end up tearing Viserion and Rhaegal apart I bet!
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Re: A Song of Ice and Fire
« Reply #106 on: February 13, 2012, 05:31:27 pm »
Ok, now I'm suspicious....
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Re: A Song of Ice and Fire
« Reply #107 on: February 13, 2012, 06:05:47 pm »
Haha, how did I not see that coming?

Awesome stuff Dany.
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« Reply #108 on: February 13, 2012, 06:57:36 pm »
Hahaha.

Keep reading though, the second half of the third book has been the high point of the series so far for me.
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« Reply #109 on: February 16, 2012, 12:32:16 am »
For people who have finished the fifth book, how is everyone feeling about the Dany arc now?

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I think like many on ASoIaF sites, I'm getting pretty tired of it. It seems like Dany has been there forever now, and by the end of ADwD, it feels like the whole reason for her being there so long, is to wait for Tyrion and Victarion to arrive so that George R.R. Martin can unfurl his epic multi-POV climax to the problems there. Mind you, that climax will be something spectacular I'm sure, and it will most certainly arrive in the next book. I just feel like Dany's been kept in place there for an unnecessarily long time for plot purposes, while her own story's long since lost lustre as a result.
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Re: A Song of Ice and Fire
« Reply #110 on: February 16, 2012, 02:48:35 am »
Wow!

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Just read the chapter where the shit hits the fan at Craster's. Delighted about Craster himself dying, but Mormont... Ah, he was a good man.

Jon's chapters are still really good. Arya's less so, but the climax of her last chapter is promising.

Nice to get some Jamie pov chapters too
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Re: A Song of Ice and Fire
« Reply #111 on: February 17, 2012, 05:22:17 pm »
Is it wrong that I'm starting to quite like Jaime Lannister?
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« Reply #112 on: February 17, 2012, 06:01:15 pm »
Nah, I'm exactly the same, liking him more and more as the story goes along.

Even though he threw Bran out of a tower I'm now rooting for him...
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Re: A Song of Ice and Fire
« Reply #113 on: February 17, 2012, 06:11:12 pm »
Fucking hell Joffrey's a prize c*nt. 725 or so pages in, can't wait for him to get his comeuppance (assuming it happens.

I quite like (major GoT spoiler)
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Sansa now that she's reacted to Eddard's death, rather than being a stuck-up little bitch. Also looking forward to The Hound's story, can't tell yet whether he's a bad guy or not. He took joy in murdering te butcher's son, but he seems kind enough to Sansa, and clearly has no love for the Lannisters
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Re: A Song of Ice and Fire
« Reply #114 on: February 18, 2012, 04:37:45 pm »
The last few chapters of Clash Of Kings have been absolutely amazing. It's all starting to come together really nicely and with some pace too.

Arya's chapters have gotten really interesting now. Jon's are superb as always. Dany's are awesome at this point 'n' all.

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Just reached the part where Bran, Hodor, Meera, and Jojen reach the Golden tower. That moment where you realise that Jon is there at the same time is so rewarding. The Stark children have been apart for so long, so it would be nice for two of them to be reunited again.

Although, Jon has just rode off after realising Summer was in fact a Direwolf and sustained an injury to his leg, so who knows how it'll materialise.

Dany's last chapter was another good one. She won the city past Astapor with yet more cunning in battle. The last chapter also touched more on Rhaegar. For someone who's not even alive, he's one of the most intriguing characters. The bit where all the slaves start to shout "Mother" at her is really cool.
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Can't wait to get to the Red Wedding. Question for those who have read beyond where I am. Is the Red Wedding soon? I'm around 600 pages in... Just hope it's not confined to 100-200 pages at the very end of the book.
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Re: A Song of Ice and Fire
« Reply #115 on: February 19, 2012, 07:48:53 am »
For people who have finished the fifth book, how is everyone feeling about the Dany arc now?

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I think like many on ASoIaF sites, I'm getting pretty tired of it. It seems like Dany has been there forever now, and by the end of ADwD, it feels like the whole reason for her being there so long, is to wait for Tyrion and Victarion to arrive so that George R.R. Martin can unfurl his epic multi-POV climax to the problems there. Mind you, that climax will be something spectacular I'm sure, and it will most certainly arrive in the next book. I just feel like Dany's been kept in place there for an unnecessarily long time for plot purposes, while her own story's long since lost lustre as a result.
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Had pretty much the same feelings. It is quite clear GRRM is trying to bring everyone together; but then he could have reduced the Dany chapters which were a drag
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Re: A Song of Ice and Fire
« Reply #116 on: February 19, 2012, 01:24:36 pm »
Can't wait to get to the Red Wedding. Question for those who have read beyond where I am. Is the Red Wedding soon? I'm around 600 pages in... Just hope it's not confined to 100-200 pages at the very end of the book.

I think it shouldn't be too far away.

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Anyway if you know what the Red Wedding is, and where it takes place, you should have a pretty good idea of how close it is. I'm guessing by page 600 the groom's host should be making its way to the castle already, or about to.
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Anyway, you're a weird one for looking forward to that particular event, mate. If I'd known about it I think I would have absolutely dreaded it.

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Re: A Song of Ice and Fire
« Reply #117 on: February 19, 2012, 01:29:06 pm »
I've just started Storm of Swords and I like it already. I started to get a bit annoyed with the fighting at the end of Clash of Kings, but so far this one looks very interesting.

I've heard book 4 is awful though, any opinions on that?
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Re: A Song of Ice and Fire
« Reply #118 on: February 19, 2012, 01:31:00 pm »
Is the TV series Game of Thrones based only on the book, or are there parts of the other books in it as well?

Only based on book 1. I think the only part from book 2 is Arya making her way out of King's Landing with Yoren and the Night's Watch recruits, which I think was chapter one of A Clash of Kings. The book ends on a cliffhanger somewhat, with Yoren taking her aside before she reveals herself at Ned's execution.

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Re: A Song of Ice and Fire
« Reply #119 on: February 20, 2012, 08:28:01 pm »
I've finally finished A Dance With Dragons so I'm all caught up at last, I probably only liked it as much A Feast For Crows and found it disappointing overall but I'm still absolutely gutted that it's probably going to be at least five years before this story will be finished. I'm far too invested in the world and story to let slightly rubbish entries put me off now. Martin would have get a proper case of the Robert Jordans' for me to give up now and he seems pretty committed to finishing it within two books.

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ADWD suffers from the same problems as the fourth book, maddening wheel spinning and narrative dead ends when it feels like things should be moving ten times faster than they are. The majority of the characters at the end of the book are more or less in the same position that they were in at the beginning of A Feast for Crows.
Dany's chapters being the biggest culprit yet again, I like her character but it's blindingly obvious where her story is going and it is not going to end Mereen, where she has been stuck for three books, and now she is wandering, again. The characters there and their court are a tedious, pale comparison next to the enthralling Kings Landing court scenes. Also quite frustrating that the enormous battle starts just as the book ends, both at Mereen and at Winterfell, literary blue balls of the highest order!

I was even disappointed with Tyrion's chapters, yes he's still a lot of fun to read but apart from giving Prince Aegon a nudge towards Westeros his many chapters had zero impact on the plot. It seems to me that the ideal solution would've been to get Tyrion into Dany's court as early as possible, it would've hugely benefited both of their storylines... Dany was sorely missing a bit cunning in her posse and Tyrion's best stuff has always been his conniving and plotting at court. You can bet he'd have got her moving towards Westeros a lot quicker as well.

Quentyn Martell chapters were utterly pointless. He's a boring, lifeless character doing boring things for four chapters before he dies a pointless,  death. Ned's death matters because we've got to know him, and it's a pivotal plot event. The same is true of the Red Wedding deaths, and Joffrey. Martell on the other hand isn't anyone we give a shit about. Aside from the events of the last page or three of his last chapter would anyone have noticed had they not been included? And those events could easily have been handled half a dozen ways. More chapters in Dorne regarding the Prince and Myrcella would've served the story better.

I loved Arya's chapters, was desperate for more than meagre few we got. Never would've predicted her story would go that way, her becoming a Faceless Man Assassin/Ninja/Badass is very cool. Her chapter with the insurance salesman was probably my favourite bit of the book. Can't wait to see how she comes into the main plot in the final books. Can see her being the one to kill the restored Cersei in the most painful way possible ;)

Jon's stuff was great again, I could read a whole series about the Wall and his time on it. But, I really don't get why Jon makes that decision right at the end, it seems entirely inconsistent with his choices up to that point.
He did nothing when he father was captured, called a traitor and murdered, when his brother was crowned and marched to war, when the majority of his nearest relatives were slaughtered, when he knew his sister was being married off to an evil twat, and yet he's all up for breaking his vows and marching on Winterfell because Ramsey offed some King he didn't really like and called him some names? He even said he didn't have "Arya" anymore in the letter didn't he?
I did love Jon getting Julius Caesar'd at the end though, I was a bit shocked and didn't see it coming despite the clues and it follows Martin's pattern of severely punishing characters who think with their hearts instead of their heads. No way is he dead either, Melisandre's chapter was there basically just to say Jon is actually Azor Ahai, he'll be back.

I did like Bran's chapters as well, they were very weird but very interesting, left me desperate to see where his story is going. Is he going to become some sort of weird, all-seeing man-tree/flashback machine for the rest of the series?

Yet again, I end up sympathising with a character I should hate, I felt really sorry for Theon. He's even managed to create an even worse c*nt than Joffery in Ramsey Bolton. What an evil twat, heh.

The epilogue was flat out terrible, probably the stupidest plot twist in the whole series. Varys appearing out of no-where with no build up earlier in the book and becoming a monologuing, super evil Bond villain with an army of evil children and then pointlessly explaining his master plan to a dying man was cheap, lazy, inconsistent with his character and poorly written. I know it's good for the story, because the Lannister's were getting far too competent and good and we need crazy bitch Cersei back in power, but the way he came up with it was like something out of another story all together.

There are more very annoying instances of Martin 'cheating' with his own POV format, gone is the clean and elegant system of providing us with POV characters who are actual characters developing and changing as the story unfolds. Instead we get POV characters that function entirely as exposition-bots and info-dumps. Areo Hatoa isn't there for one chapter because we give a shit about his story. He's there because Martin needs to convey one bit of information and he can't be bothered to find a way to do it and fit it in with the rest of the chapters. Barristan Selmy isn't featured as a POV character because the author wants to tell us his tale and use that tale as a way to unveil the plot; no Selmy is featured as a POV character after 90% of the book is done for two chapters because the author has no other way to convey the information he wants to convey.
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