Topic: It's us v them - they don't like it up 'em innit

[Andy @ Allerton!]

People have been skirting around this. We've seen people asking why people voted leave and we've seen people who've asked why people voted remain.


Personally (And not trying to sway the vote!) I think the UK have shown themselves to the world to be the smallminded rank amateurs that they are. While the EU have conducted themselves with a united front, calmly, confidentally and more importantly professionally.

The UK Government appears (to me) to be at it's own throat at every level with every party disagreeing with every other party and also disagreeing amongst themselves.

I've heard tel on a few occasions that Brexit would 'bring us together' :O  Which I find amazing, as I don't think we've ever been as divided as we are now. They also seem to think that actually performing Brexit is 'the end of it' - I wonder how Remain voters will feel about that post-Brexit with all the likely scenerios underway...


Aaaanyway.. Given what you've seen on the world stage and during Brexit - who do you have more trust in between the two bodies?

[Mutton Geoff]

i am old enough to remember when we were in EFTA which was like being in the national league compared to the Common Market which was like being in the Prem.

So i voted remain of course, and after the result i apologised to the students in our school because with out using these words i believe leaving will royally fuck up their future.

I am not saying the EU was perfect but even after we joined it seemed to me that far too often we wanted the other European countries to see and do things totally our way rather than completely becoming part of the club and intergrating as all the other members seem to have done , maybe it is our island mentality and the foreigners over the water mindset.

Maybe as well the enlargement of the EU created a bit of juggernaut politics

All of the above led to the Brussels is running our country false narrative and gave each government the chance to blame the EU for their own policy failures. 

[Commie Bobbie]

No Fucking Contest.

[TepidT2O]

I voted for the EU... with reservations..

I wouldn’t trust the uk government run by either party to do anything but harm to the uk at this moment in time.

The EU has plenty of flaws, but offers stability and access for us that our government won’t

[rob1966]

The EU is in no way perfect, but we enjoy a lot of benefits by being within it. For my entire life the Tories have been utter c*nts and they are getting worse - I thought Thatcher was as bad as it would get, then this shower of idiots came along.

[jillcwhomever]

I voted EU as well, as others have said its not perfect, but this whole facade has just shown clearly how second rate our own politicians actually are. Right now I wouldn't trust them to get us out of a paper bag.

[oldfordie]

Brexit has been a real eye opener, it's explained in far more detail why so many people vote Tory even if it's not in their interests, It's exposed just how bad many of our politicians are, they have plenty of opinions but they do little research to understand the issues themselves.
Do I trust this government.? they are incompetent clowns who are more concerened about looking competent than actually solving the problems they have created, no wonder our country is on it's knees.
Ive always believed many of the problems our NHS +Welfare has was down to incompetent MPs slashing services to save a million without reasearch to see if the effects of these cuts cost the country more money in other areas. thats about as far I thought this incompetence ran, wrong. they don't hardly bother to research any of the issues they vote on and therefore they don't hardly understand the issues themselves, the policy is passed down from above and the MPs parrot the party line until it changes. who needs to do loads of boring reasearch when you already have a opinion on whats wrong and how to solve it !!!
I read something last year that hit home," Until Brexit I never realaized just how abysmal are politicians are"
We had a crazy year after Brexit, millions of the public knew more about the biggest political issue by far than many of our politicians, the EU told us our polticians didn't even know the difference between the SM and the CU, we also had life long Tory leave campaigners asking basic questions on how the customs union works.
I don't think nothing much will change until voters start to recognise the politicians we should value are the ones who do all the boring hard long hours on the nitty gritty details. we need politicians who understand the issues they vote on. these were the MPs who were on the ball from day 1, way ahead of the rest on the problems leaving the EU will bring.
I have little trust or faith in our Parliament as a whole, having said that ive enormous respect for a few politicians who stood up and got counted, they took the jeers and boos for the sake of the country while the bullshitters got the claps and cheers. they stand out a mile now.
I still don't think the left fully appreciate how impossible it will be to pay for great change while trying to compete with the world without EU protection.

[rob1966]

^

It's like the shock they expressed that crime rose after all the cuts to the Police 

[oldfordie]

^

It's like the shock they expressed that crime rose after all the cuts to the Police 

Theres no link to the welfare cuts that leave a single parent with 4p to live on and the rise in foodbanks.

[rob1966]

Theres no link to the welfare cuts that leave a single parent with 4p to live on and the rise in foodbanks.

Those who use foodbanks are really all in well paid jobs and are just taking the food - no-one in the UK needs them.

Same a Tory once said in work "no-one actually uses the NHS anymore do they?"

[Lush is the best medicine...]

I voted for the EU... with reservations..

I wouldn’t trust the uk government run by either party to do anything but harm to the uk at this moment in time.

The EU has plenty of flaws, but offers stability and access for us that our government won’t

pretty much my thoughts

[oldfordie]

Those who use foodbanks are really all in well paid jobs and are just taking the food - no-one in the UK needs them.

Same a Tory once said in work "no-one actually uses the NHS anymore do they?"

Of course, no idea how they qualify for a voucher afaik you cant just drop in you have to show you have no income.

[idontknow]

Of course, no idea how they qualify for a voucher afaik you cant just drop in you have to show you have no income.

It's even worse, because there are places where you CAN drop in without proving anything, and these places obviously are not officially counted. That suggests figures are really far higher.
It should be a main story every single day.

From experience, if you have to use one, it really is horrible, but the people are so nice. I was lucky, it was a couple of bad situations. For people who have to go regularly I cannot begin to know how they feel or manage.
(I've never told anyone before that  I've had to use them.)

[killer-heels]

The EU. Far more than British MP’s.

[Kekule]

The EU.  They've been funding parts of the UK Westminster haven't given a toss about for decades.

It's not perfect by any means, but that's no reason to throw everything away. Speaking of which, when Gove had been going on about May's deal and saying "don't let perfect be the enemy of good" why did no-one ask him where that argument was 30 odd months ago? Hypocritical twat.