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Re: Chasing the Title
« Reply #840 on: November 11, 2019, 06:56:41 pm »
They lost four all last season.  12 games in and they've already lost three.

They could potentially lose another three over the season but right now draws are just as bad for them as defeats (as we know from painful experience).  For example, I reckon Chelsea can bag a draw against them easily.

They'll be a different force by the time their injured players are back, but by then they may have lost too much ground.  However, so much for us hinges on our insane December fixture list.

They will probably take 16pts from the next 6 matches, as we saw yesterday they are still a force going forward and most teams are not as good as us. I'd still be happy with that as it'll mean they have lost another 2 pts. If they react badly then maybe they will do worse than that but we should assume they will still sweep the rest away and keep doing our jobs.
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Re: Chasing the Title
« Reply #841 on: November 11, 2019, 07:09:29 pm »
Top 4 might be already done!

Can’t believe spurs are 20 behind us and 11 behind 4th.
it's looking that way but it's possibly that 4th is still open as there's always one that drops away (think Chelsea last year). Chelsea only crept in because of utter shit being served up by Spurs, Arsenal and Utd.
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Re: Chasing the Title
« Reply #842 on: November 11, 2019, 07:12:52 pm »
Forget about Chelsea and Leicester. Finish above City and you win the title.

And that's no disrespect to Chelsea, who I think are legitimately very good. Leicester are good, but they simply don't have the firepower to compete with the big 3.

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Re: Chasing the Title
« Reply #843 on: November 11, 2019, 07:21:04 pm »
Was looking at Leicesters schedule and they have Brighton, Everton, Watford , Aston Villa and Norwich before they face Citi.

Pretty impressive then they are where they are having played pretty much all top teams just like us.

It is possible they win the next 5. While I don't see them as title challengers, I do see them as sort of pacemakers (will help to retain our focus even if City drops a few in their upcoming run).

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Re: Chasing the Title
« Reply #844 on: November 11, 2019, 07:23:50 pm »
Also surprisingly, ManU beat both Chelsea and Leicester and while I hated the results at the moment, don't mind them in hindsight.

Would love it if they can take points of City and make taking points of top 4 their season highlight

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Re: Chasing the Title
« Reply #845 on: November 11, 2019, 07:27:04 pm »
Also surprisingly, ManU beat both Chelsea and Leicester and while I hated the results at the moment, don't mind them in hindsight.

Would love it if they can take points of City and make taking points of top 4 their season highlight

They're going to give Manchester City a serious game. Lots of draws, please.

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Re: Chasing the Title
« Reply #846 on: November 11, 2019, 07:48:59 pm »
Same as 'hot streak' I'd say.
Things are going for them, they are on a good series of results and so on.
ok, cool thanks. haha I assumed it meant running hot like an engine, i.e. not very efficiently!

I never knew what the term "purple patch" meant either until I started reading about footy a bit more.

I used to assume it meant the opposite! Like a rough patch!


Back to the thread topic..

It's looking very likely we'll win the title this year lads.
We've just got to keep plugging away as we have been so far. And that's how we've been operating since last season so no reasonable reason why we can't continue.
Whilst Man City and the rest of the pack have to do 2 things:
Win almost every single game
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Hope we slip up.

Not happening laddos.

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Re: Chasing the Title
« Reply #847 on: November 11, 2019, 08:14:38 pm »
They will probably take 16pts from the next 6 matches, as we saw yesterday they are still a force going forward and most teams are not as good as us. I'd still be happy with that as it'll mean they have lost another 2 pts. If they react badly then maybe they will do worse than that but we should assume they will still sweep the rest away and keep doing our jobs.

Yeah.  This is why I think Chelsea getting a draw isn't unreasonable.  Until City's backline is fixed they are just as likely to concede as they are to score, and Chelsea are in good scoring form so I think a 2-2 isn't out of the question.

As I've mentioned before, we seem to be playing like we're still chasing last year's City, rather than leading this year's.  That is a good mentality to have because our boys are taking nothing for granted.  We have to assume we will wobble at some point so need to make sure we bank all the points we can.

It's just crazy that, having only dropped two points, I still feel like our lead isn't secure - I just know what City are capable of if they go on a run.  Plus I remember us having a 9 point lead under Houllier and how that fizzled out.  I realise a repeat of that isn't likely for the mentality monsters but with a gruelling fixture list we're fortunate to be employing good rotational tactics as well as brute willpower.
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Re: Chasing the Title
« Reply #848 on: November 11, 2019, 09:17:11 pm »
Once back from internationals, we play 13 games in 40 days! City and Chelsea play 12 I think, and Leicester plays 10 I believe. City's injury woes make it a more even playing field but they still have a mighty squad. They'll also cruise through the CL games and the league cup game is a farce. Chelsea has to go full throttle in both CL games I believe. Leicester have no Europe but 10 in 40 is a tough run for them.

We can level things up by beating Napoli; that game is crucial I feel. Win, and we gain a valuable break. Add in the Villa farce game and we would be down to 'only' 11 games. Heavy rotation in the first World Club game and our main disadvantage against the others is the travel. Fingers crossed that the international break doesnt fuck everything up for us.

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Re: Chasing the Title
« Reply #849 on: November 11, 2019, 09:22:19 pm »
Liverpool have taken 134 from last 153 available.

19 points dropped.

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Re: Chasing the Title
« Reply #850 on: November 11, 2019, 09:29:26 pm »
Liverpool have taken 134 from last 153 available.

19 points dropped.

For context, Man United have dropped 20.

This season.

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Re: Chasing the Title
« Reply #851 on: November 11, 2019, 09:32:29 pm »
Liverpool have taken 134 from last 153 available.

19 points dropped.

Absolutely bonkers. And that's why the 9 point lead (over City) feels more like a 4 point lead. There is just so little margin for error.

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Re: Chasing the Title
« Reply #852 on: November 11, 2019, 09:49:40 pm »
I'm hoping we still play like we're 8 points behind for the rest of the season rather than 8 ahead.

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Re: Chasing the Title
« Reply #853 on: November 11, 2019, 10:02:57 pm »
Honestly can't see City dropping any less than 10 points in the rest of the season. Which means we have to do better than drop 19 points in the last 26 games. It's going to happen.
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Re: Chasing the Title
« Reply #854 on: November 11, 2019, 10:11:09 pm »
Absolutely bonkers. And that's why the 9 point lead (over City) feels more like a 4 point lead. There is just so little margin for error.

I don't get that?
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Re: Chasing the Title
« Reply #855 on: November 11, 2019, 10:43:13 pm »
I don't get that?

Just the feeling that City are so good the situation could turn on a dime. Its purely subjective and I share the feeling.
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Re: Chasing the Title
« Reply #856 on: November 11, 2019, 10:44:03 pm »
I'm not sure what feeling causes you to subtract 5 points off :D

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« Reply #857 on: November 11, 2019, 10:46:22 pm »
I'm not sure what feeling causes you to subtract 5 points off :D

Nobody said it was a rational feeling. In fact, I believe the term Bob used was "absolutely bonkers" :D
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Re: Chasing the Title
« Reply #858 on: November 11, 2019, 10:46:30 pm »
Just the feeling that City are so good the situation could turn on a dime. Its purely subjective and I share the feeling.
City are so good.



How about the team that are 9 points ahead of them.

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Re: Chasing the Title
« Reply #859 on: November 11, 2019, 10:55:41 pm »
Hard to get carried away when city have a history of long winning runs it does feel like we are the best team now though. Even last season I felt we were just behind them but with the addition of a european cup, the experience of a title race and the loss of kompany for them I feel we have the edge. Glad to have 2 weeks off personally as the block of games since the international fixtures have been pretty stressful. One of the reasons this qatar things will be quite fun really. A nice non- “anything below perfection isn't good enough” that this city rivalry has become.
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Re: Chasing the Title
« Reply #860 on: November 11, 2019, 11:04:02 pm »
Absolutely everyone and his wife trying to heal the pressure on now

Oooh 8 clear, 9 clear of city that’s the league done forget it let’s make our peace with it

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Re: Chasing the Title
« Reply #861 on: November 11, 2019, 11:09:46 pm »
We're the best team in the world right now,we just have to keep believing it & cross our fingers that we don't get a few injuries all at the same time.

We're also far from playing at our best.
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Re: Chasing the Title
« Reply #862 on: November 11, 2019, 11:23:42 pm »
I don't get that?

That we’ve dropped so few points for a long time now and have nothing yet to show for it.

Given the standard city have set, I think you have to look at a points target rather than how many points you are ahead or behind at any given time.  95 is probably a fair target, and despite our incredible start we still have to play *really* well for 26 matches to reach that target.
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Re: Chasing the Title
« Reply #863 on: November 11, 2019, 11:43:26 pm »
That we’ve dropped so few points for a long time now and have nothing yet to show for it.

Given the standard city have set, I think you have to look at a points target rather than how many points you are ahead or behind at any given time.  95 is probably a fair target, and despite our incredible start we still have to play *really* well for 26 matches to reach that target.

I still don't get it. We have dropped so few points because we are a fantastic football team. We have quality players front to back (arguably we have the best in Europe/The World in some of the key positions) and now have real quality to come off the bench. We are brilliantly coached and have amazing mentaility.

You seem to be treating it like a game of chance where a period of success is likely to be followed by regression to the mean.

Last season we played really well for most of the season, finishing on 97 points. We've carried on in the same way and have played the top six and Leicester...

Everyone has been hurt by the disappointments over the years but we are 9 points clear after 12 games. Man City are not playing as well as they have in previous years.

The reality is that we haven't been at our best yet and won a load of games and a trophy with a West Ham reject in goal.
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Re: Chasing the Title
« Reply #864 on: November 11, 2019, 11:45:01 pm »
Well said and ''nothing to show for it'' isn't true, we've won the European Cup which has motivated teh players even more [they've admitted as much in numerous interviews]. The fact that we pushed them as much as we did last year has given us the belief that we can do it again. It's like some of you still don't realize how good we actually are.


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Re: Chasing the Title
« Reply #865 on: November 11, 2019, 11:47:50 pm »
Honestly can't see City dropping any less than 10 points in the rest of the season. Which means we have to do better than drop 19 points in the last 26 games. It's going to happen.

I don’t get this at all.

In the space of less than a third of the season, they dropped 13 points, and you honestly can’t see them dropping more than another 10 in the remainder?

I get that they have players to come back, and there’s always a chance they could go on some mental run, but you can’t see them dropping less than 10 when all the evidence points towards them doing that?

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Re: Chasing the Title
« Reply #866 on: November 12, 2019, 12:06:25 am »
They dropped 16 points last year. This season they've dropped 11 in 12 games.  They wont drop many once they get some players back, but they could still drop a fair few before then. I'm hoping they're so far off the pace by then it wont matter what kind of run they stitch together.
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Re: Chasing the Title
« Reply #867 on: November 12, 2019, 12:14:24 am »
I don’t get this at all.

In the space of less than a third of the season, they dropped 13 points, and you honestly can’t see them dropping more than another 10 in the remainder?

I get that they have players to come back, and there’s always a chance they could go on some mental run, but you can’t see them dropping less than 10 when all the evidence points towards them doing that?

You need to re-read, he says he can't see them dropping LESS than 10 points ;D ie at least 10.

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« Reply #868 on: November 12, 2019, 12:24:26 am »
You need to re-read, he says he can't see them dropping LESS than 10 points ;D ie at least 10.

Ah I’ve just seen it hahaha.

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Re: Chasing the Title
« Reply #869 on: November 12, 2019, 12:26:24 am »
Yeah, that's right, I meant 10 was the minimum I expect them to drop :)
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Re: Chasing the Title
« Reply #870 on: November 12, 2019, 04:40:52 am »
105 points are what we need to aim for. At the moment 105 points and we win the title.

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« Reply #871 on: November 12, 2019, 06:05:31 am »
Given that they've only played ourselves and Tottenham out of all of the 'traditional' top 6 or the actual top 6, I reckon they'll drop maybe 15 more points at least, which would leave them still on a solid 88 points.

Given their greater propensity to blow teams away, I think we'll need to finish ahead of them - i.e. at least 89 points. That means we would need to win about 19 of 26 remaining games - the rest we can afford to lose.

Alternatively if we won only 17 of the remaining 26 (about 2/3 of remaining games), we would have to draw another 4 to get to the same total.

I reckon if we manage to pick up maximum points from our remaining fixtures this year - Palace (a), Brighton (h), Everton (h), Bournemouth (a), Watford (h), West Ham (a), Leicester (a), Wolves (h), which, excepting Leicester, is about as easy a run as we'll get all season, we'll have it in the bag. That would leave us requiring only about 1.72 points a game for the remainder of the season, which would be easily achievable, even allowing for an injury crisis.

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Re: Chasing the Title
« Reply #872 on: November 12, 2019, 07:36:00 am »
The only thing we should aim for is winning the next game.

All the time.  ;D

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Re: Chasing the Title
« Reply #873 on: November 12, 2019, 08:20:53 am »
The only thing we should aim for is winning the next game.

All the time.  ;D

That's the mentality we need
That's the mentality we have.

I trust Klopp and the players will do nothing other than that.

I'm only going to think about a title race when we're in late February onwards personally.

We also have a few other competitions to compete in before then as well.
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Re: Chasing the Title
« Reply #874 on: November 12, 2019, 08:57:23 am »
Apart from the mathematical gymnastics going on in my head....

The narrative season is in full flow. Now along with Mane being a diver we are being gifted the title by VAR.

Now referees are wank, and influenced by the general opinion of the public/media imo. Knowingly or not......a player that has been accused of throwing in a dirty tackle/dive and has been highlighted by media/fans as doing so is more likely to be punished where he wouldn't have been before.

I may not have gone back to look at all the evidence to be able to put out there to back this up but I am pretty sure this is a thing. Not just against our team, Zaha had it last season too and City's tactical fouling last season was ignored whereas all of a sudden they are getting twice as many yellows now. Not a coincidence imo.

My point is

Best thing for us is to not let games get to that late stage where it can be decided by a goal for or against. Which we have done quite a lot in recent weeks

I hope we can go out there and more often than not just beat teams comfortably, even if its just until the end of December, like the way we have in the past and how City usually do in the first half of games. The amount of points we have on the board and other things going on below us will hopefully just ease the desperation for us to fail and have it transition into acceptance that we are going to go on to do this.

The diehard bitters out there will carry on but who cares what they think anyway.

I mean im sure Klopp wants us to win every game comfortably and we usually seem to get better around this point every season until Jan/Feb atleast so lets hope that trend continues.
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Re: Chasing the Title
« Reply #875 on: November 12, 2019, 08:58:26 am »
Highly premature question here but oh well...

If we win it,  what date do we expect the parade?!

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Re: Chasing the Title
« Reply #876 on: November 12, 2019, 09:02:01 am »
Highly premature question here but oh well...

If we win it,  what date do we expect the parade?!

I'm having interviews for a new job so need to tell them about any time off I might need.

Just tell them next May

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Re: Chasing the Title
« Reply #877 on: November 12, 2019, 09:40:09 am »
I reckon if we manage to pick up maximum points from our remaining fixtures this year - Palace (a), Brighton (h), Everton (h), Bournemouth (a), Watford (h), West Ham (a), Leicester (a), Wolves (h)

Despite how relatively easy this run is, ending the year with a record of P19, W18, D1, L0 would be absolutely insane. Doable of course, because this team can achieve anything, but still, insane.

Also remember that the West Ham away game won't be happening so early, which is probably unfortunate as they'll probably have their shit together by the time we do play them. Or they could be managed by David Moyes.

We have a run after New Year of Tottenham away, United at home and Wolves away before then having a favourable run again. If we can come out of that without our lead being cut, I think I will start to really believe.
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Re: Chasing the Title
« Reply #878 on: November 12, 2019, 09:48:56 am »
105 points are what we need to aim for. At the moment 105 points and we win the title.

I wouldn't bet against us getting 105pts breaking and setting new records every week.

the most points to be gained in perm season was city with 100pts couple seasons ago.

Imagine winning the league with 105pts

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Re: Chasing the Title
« Reply #879 on: November 12, 2019, 09:50:25 am »
I reckon if we manage to pick up maximum points from our remaining fixtures this year - Palace (a), Brighton (h), Everton (h), Bournemouth (a), Watford (h), West Ham (a), Leicester (a), Wolves (h), which, excepting Leicester, is about as easy a run as we'll get all season, we'll have it in the bag. That would leave us requiring only about 1.72 points a game for the remainder of the season, which would be easily achievable, even allowing for an injury crisis.

Agree with the wider point - ie, win them and we won't need to do anywhere near the same in the second half, but I don't think that's an easy run. As LovelyCushionedHeader says - the West Ham game isn't happening then, and the others are all increased in difficulty because of our WCC commitments and the intensity of the period. Said it earlier in the threat, but from the Palace game to the 2nd of January we play 16 games of footy, 42% of a league season, in a 5.5 week period.

Really hope we can get Shaq back and fit for this period. He could be a great option to use against Brighton, Everton and Watford - maintaining creativity and a goal threat while giving Mo or one of the other forwards a bit of a break.

Our squad depth is key here, we're going to need to intelligently use Gomez and Milner (or maybe just Milner) to get some rest into Robbo and Trent. Ox, Keita, Lallana will get a fair share of game time in midfield I think, and we'll see Origi for sure starting games - maybe Brewster too. Obviously not all at once, but you can definitely see the Watford and Brighton games being seen as opportunities to do a bit more rotation than one or two. Wolves will always be a tough, tight match. The Everton one should be in that Watford/Brighton bracket - but they're a bunch of pricks who play the two versus us as if their lives depend on it, foregoing the rest of their own season.